VN Ren'Py Eternum [v0.8.5 Public] [Caribdis]

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Son of Durin

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ganesha2407 said:
oh damn,you totally right,
my old save is still there,but in different folder because this time i download the original version of the game & not the modded one.
Thanks Son of Durin.
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You always DL the original - you have to add the mod. Once you add the updated version of the same mod, everything should work just fine.
 
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Visuals look excellent (and if it's not made by the developer, then their usage is very well done)

I think 2023 is gonna be a very strong year for Ero-VNs
 
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Son of Durin said:
You always DL the original - you have to add the mod. Once you add the updated version of the same mod, everything should work just fine.
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forgot to tell that i'am using Android, different sign name means different data folder game.
my old save data is on different folder.
so what can i say is,your first/basic advice is the one that help me,thank you .
 
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(Gods, and here I thought I was done with Esotericism after my obsession with Xenogears and Xenosaga ended. DX)



I was under the impression that if the Gems are the Sefirot, then summoning or creating them would simply require finishing a task that is representative of each emanation/attribute (at least, I'm assuming Caribdis would try to simplify it that way instead of having us go through the Ultima IV treatment of going on a spiritual journey to master and become the personification of all the emanations of the Sefirot...otherwise I'm not sure how even the Founder or Ulysses corp could make that exciting in any way to the typical MMO player who is unaware that or she is participating in what could possibly be the ritual that would doom their universe).

The Ten Sefirot (Lurianic Kabballah)

Chochmah - Wisdom, Insight
Binah - Intelligence, Understanding
Daat - Knowledge, Principle
Chessed - Kindness, Giving
Gevurah - Strength, Discipline
Tiferet - Beauty, Harmony
Netzach - Triumph, Determination
Hod - Glory, Dignity
Yesod - Foundation, Connection
Malchut- Kingship, Leadership

(For the Cordoveran Kabballah you just replace Daat with Keter (Crown, Will), though the reason why I cited from the Lurianic Kabballah is it feels easier to make up scenarios/tasks that represent the emanations/attributes that way (at least, for me, it could be that Caribdis is using Cordoveran, we'll never know until the theories are proven or not))

This would explain why the Founder needs NPCs and have the players go through quests (at least, in my opinion): the quests serve as ritual, and it's up to the player to play their part in finishing said ritual and thus, summon or will the corresponding Sefirot to existence. It's also possibly why he's having us travel to many worlds to look for the gems: because you need to be in a specific place and meet specific conditions in order for the Sefirot to manifest (conditions that NPCs could readily replicate upon command, you just need Ulysses corp to furnish the "ritual site" and the necessary elements for the "ritual").

Of course, it could also explain why he needs a lot - and I mean a lot - of manpower in order to do this and why collecting them is taking so damn long: the rituals are not set in stone. It could be that there's a ton of ways to interpret the required guidelines/theme for the ritual, and so the Founder and Ulysses corp try to test all possible permutations in worlds where the Gems could likely manifest until they hit the mark.

So going back to the Mystery Server you could say (hypothetically) that the Gem in question is Chessed, because the conditions presented by the quest requires the player to show Kindness (i.e. provide the young Anne Flink with a doll to coax her to tell what she needs, and then provide her a picture of her mother since she wants to see her). Of course, it's also possible that there's more to this at play other than just performing the ritual at a specific place at a specific time and under specific conditions (i.e. locations where Gems of Doom are located are places where the Syndicate have actively shown themselves to Orion...maybe there's a connection...like the dead are attracted to places where the Gems are located or where they could possibly manifest and since the Syndicate are possibly spirits that's where they show up. It's also possibly why Thanatos has an advantage when it comes to finding the Gems, because it's possible that being dead allows him to track where the Gems are, and thus allows him to simply steal the Gems from players)

Again, this is just my personal theory. Yours is just as likely to be true, given the existence of literature out there that tells of Dreamers being able to shape/influence the dream world. The only thing stopping me from subscribing to this theory is the existence of this mysterious bastard who's implying that you can't shape the world the way server shapers could:
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That remains to be seen though. Only way to test this theory is to have MC be hit by an excommunication ray from the Praetorians...which is something that could possibly happen in the future...or so my gut tells me anyway (it's one of two hypothetical scenarios I'm theorycrafting that could result in Calypso crossing over to the "real" world, mainly because it's the biggest story bombshell I could think of that would reveal to Orion and co that Eternum is absolutely NOT a VRMMO...and mainly because I personally think Calypso needs some much-needed bonding time with everyone. Girl needs to get out more instead of wasting away in some shitty Inn IMO).
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I agree that the Mystery server gem is related to Kindness/Chessed. I’d also say that the first gem Thanatos ever found is most likely Gevurah/Strength, based on his obsession with being the strongest.

I’m also of the opinion that the three weapons of Atlas - Calypso, Dione and Hyas - are needed to procure the three intellect sefirot (Chochmah/Wisdom, Binah/Understanding and Da’at/Knowledge). Hyas I believe is associated with Da’at (the suit of Swords in Tarot is associated with logic/decision making) - but it’s the weakest because while logic/knowledge can cut through anything, it doesn’t have the ability to adapt to situations the way that the other two can. I would say Calypso is related to Chochmah, and Dione is Binah. Dione becomes whatever weapon it understands the user needs in any given context. For example, there’s no reason in the last episode that Nova couldn’t have just used her skill as a sniper to take out both opponents. But instead, Dione became an RPG. Why? Because it understood that Nova felt the need to impress the other two and a sniper taking out two people from that distance wouldn’t be impressive at all. I’d like to know more about the one shot that Nova missed - I think we’ll find that the person she was targeting will turn up and be a vital part of the story.

Calypso being related Chochmah is self-explanatory. She obviously knows a lot more than she is letting on.
 
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/takes a nap for a bit

/wakes up

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Me: ...Are we really going to do this? I just woke up.

Brain: The current working theory we have is that the letter is going to be used at some point by Orion to avoid a disastrous event that's looming on the horizon or to protect him from the after effects-

Me (sighs): Yes, we basically theorycrafted that - assuming that the "Orion will be excommunicated in the future" scenario comes to pass, that would be his ace in the hole to prevent him from becoming brainwashed. That's assuming though that excommunication automatically transfers the consciousness to a facility where they are to be processed into becoming an NPC. Or the Praetorians haul his dead ass to said facility and he wakes up, doesn't recall his memories, possibly sees symbol of the Syndicate in the facility or something similar, recalls the event prior to the Garrington heist, opens the letter, then gets his memory restored and be protected from whatever the facility is slowly doing to him and thus transforming him into an NPC.

Brain: Like an antimemetic tool.

Me (preparing coffee): Yeah, pretty much. I'm guessing you're starting to have doubts if you're bringing this up, though.

Brain: ...

Me (blows smoke from coffee and sips it): OsirianObsidian's words regarding the Ephisia Grammata's connection to the Qliphoth?

Brain: ...What if the letter isn't just a letter of protection but also an invitation?

Me (stops sipping coffee): ...I don't follow.

Brain: Recall the Yggdrassil theory. The one we came up with which could serve as a theoretical map of Eternum but then discarded before we could post it because we accepted that Eternum exists in a metaphysical space and likely can't be mapped by normal means.

Me: The one that's ripped from MCU Thor lore? The one that states that the Yggdrassil isn't so much as a literal tree but rather the representation of the cosmos?

Brain: Assuming that the Gems are the Sefirot then that means they make up a Tree of Life, yes? Well what if Eternum as a whole is represented by that tree? Not a 1:1 mapping but just a representation in a metaphorical sense?

Me: ...Okay? And?

Brain: ..."Shadows are cast on the Earth by the light of the Sun."

Me (gears start turning on head, and then): ...Planeshift.

Brain (finger snaps): Heads and Tails, baby. Flipping the damn thing and moving to the side that exists in parallel.

Me: And you think this other side is-

Brain: Qliphoth, yes. Or Sitra Achra ("The Other Side," as termed by the Kabbalah), if we're being literal about it.

Me: So you think the letter is possibly a key, a way for Orion and co to access Qliphoth/Sitra Achra, the realm that exists in parallel to Eternum? The side that Orion sees when he uses his power but can't interact with? The side where the dead untouched by Ulysses and is the source of the voices can likely be seen?

Brain: A realm that also requires anyone who shifts over to be protected by something, yes. Protection could also mean a pass of sorts, like how people who are given certain items grant them safe passage or allow them to move freely in lands without risk of being shot, that sort of thing.

Me: That still doesn't explain the cryptic words of the Syndicate Member who gave the letter, though...

Brain: Single use scroll, likely usable only at the right place at the right time. Remember that our current stance is that the letter could've come from the Lady in Black (who we have theorized to be Idriel, or at least an aspect of her that shows up...maybe that's what she looks like when she shifts to the Qliphoth/Sitra Achra realm?) And we're also theorizing that Idriel has a gift of prophecy (because blind prophetess trope), so it's on brand for someone like her to have sent that letter and have it only be usable once the conditions are met.

Me: Mhm.

Brain: It also doesn't erase the possibility that it could've been sent to avert an incoming threat and the Syndicate can't give that letter in the future because of factors they have foreseen and/or because the meeting prior to the Garrington heist is the only time they can interact with Orion undisturbed. Maybe the Praetorians jump on Orion and co when they start digging too much on the truth about the NPCs, and maybe they track down Benjie's NPC self in a place where the symbol scrawled in the letter is seen, indicating that Orion IS at the right place at the right time, and he and the girls use that letter to shift to Qliphoth/Sitra Achra and thus evade capture or excommunication.

Me: Thus initiating the fated meeting between the Lady in Black and/or the Syndicate and Orion, and the revelation of certain facts about the Gems and Eternum and everything?

Brain: Yeap.

Me (leans back on chair and sips coffee, lost in thought): ...

Brain: Still unconvinced?

Me: Well...it's definitely a plausible theory. We could just...place it on the theory board for the time being and see if it plays out as you say.

Brain: Aight.
 
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...Yeah, but those gas prices though. :KEK:
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So I know this is an old topic, but a lightbulb went off in my brain and I wanted to share it with everybody. If someone already pointed this out and I missed it then apologies for bringing it up again.

There's been comments made on this thread (didn't feel it was necessary to go hunting them all down as reference) about how ridiculously low the gas prices in Eternum are. I'm here to claim they're not as ridiculous as some have been lead to believe.

So for starters, let's agree that these are NOT the gas prices in Kredon. I think that's fair to say based on what's discussed during the car ride prior to arriving at the gas station.

Then we get into the pieces that are negotiable. So the first criteria to make these prices plausible would be the unit of measurement. I think a large bulk of people thinking the price was low thought that the price was in dollars per gallon. But what if I told you it was in dollars per Liter! Assuming this, the conversion is roughly 3.8 liters per gallon. This values the dollars per gallon relative to the gas station in the game as ~ $4 per gallon for regular gas. I'd consider this to be a relatively plausible cost.

"But Lilybelle, why would you use liters? That's absurd!"

Well, the thought crossed my mind because with Luna's family being Mexican, I remembered that Mexican Gas Stations present their gas prices by the Liter. However, they also express the cost in pesos, which actually results in much Larger numbers and thus makes the gas prices listed even Less believable. But they didn't say they're going to Mexico... they said they're going to another state. So now the question becomes: Why would a gas station in the USA be using Liters instead of Gallons? The answer: Mexican Gas stations in Texas!

With a little digging, I found what appeared to be Gas stations that had US Dollars as the currency (because you use the country's currency), but Liters as the units for quantity (I imagine there's some corporate reason I don't understand related to it being a Mexican Company). So if you're willing to believe that they drove all the way to Texas to celebrate Dia de los Muertos and happened to refill at one of those special gas stations then these gas costs don't feel Too crazy.


TL;DR The gas prices are normal.

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