VN Ren'Py Eternum [v0.8.6 Public] [Caribdis]

[Dorfnutter]

I had noticed a lot of Greek terminology and names, such as the nymph Calypso, a name indicating "to keep hidden," from an island called Ogygia who trapped Odysseus for seven years. Also Orion, The Hunter. Also, connections with Alex's fascination with constellations, of which many are named after Greek figures.

I also have a bit of a theory regarding the sacrifice of innocents or loved ones that The Founder indicated. The MC has Polyjuice potion and a Xerox artifact. I get the feeling that someone is going to use the Polyjuice potion to appear as Calypso or Calypso to appear as someone else to hide her (to keep hidden), and the Xerox Artifact will be used to sacrifice someone without actually sacrificing them for real. This would fulfill the entire change of expected events that Idriel keeps bringing up as a coin toss that always comes up heads until the MC states tails for instance. It would be hilarious for Calypso to be captured again only to wind up not actually being the real Calypso while the real Calypso is hidden as someone else and at the MC's side.

Yeah, about that...

 

[Mutation8888]

Yeah, about that...

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Interesting. I would think it would simply imply a bad ending if it were not taken and used. All these possibilities that are not to be used... sad.

 

[e6mill]

I had noticed a lot of Greek terminology and names, such as the nymph Calypso, a name indicating "to keep hidden," from an island called Ogygia who trapped Odysseus for seven years. Also Orion, The Hunter. Also, connections with Alex's fascination with constellations, of which many are named after Greek figures.

The brothel madam from our first Eternum adventure was named Ambrose - which means immortal. A name that I may have seen in-game once or twice...

 

[Cherubin25]

Interesting. I would think it would simply imply a bad ending if it were not taken and used. All these possibilities that are not to be used... sad.

Thats the thing, you cannot really do a bad Ending like this. Bad Endings are totally fine, but they should basically happen relatively quickly so that people can load a previous save and do a different decision (this will obviously not work for people who only use one savefile and overwrite it all the time).

Imagine you get a bad ending at the end of the story because of a decision you have done months or years ago a few Updates earlier. Would be very frustrating.

 

[Ashira13]

Imagine you get a bad ending at the end of the story because of a decision you have done months or years ago a few Updates earlier. Would be very frustrating.

that is already in the game. i advise not playing the game without using a "walkthrough"

 

[Mutation8888]

Thats the thing, you cannot really do a bad Ending like this. Bad Endings are totally fine, but they should basically happen relatively quickly so that people can load a previous save and do a different decision (this will obviously not work for people who only use one savefile and overwrite it all the time).

Imagine you get a bad ending at the end of the story because of a decision you have done months or years ago a few Updates earlier. Would be very frustrating.

Equally frustrating to obtain an artifact that has no use. It just becomes a decoration at that point.

 

[Dorfnutter]

Equally frustrating to obtain an artifact that has no use. It just becomes a decoration at that point.

Oh it does have a use. It just isn't going to be used for the main story and instead will be used for a lewd scene in the future (as was heavily implied by the Collector himself back then).

 

[Cherubin25]

that is already in the game. i advise not playing the game without using a "walkthrough"

Could you tell me? With a Spoiler of course.

I use a Walkthrough for Eternum anyway. I also watch the wrong scenes and IMO most choices are super easy, but some might be a bit cryptic.

 

[Dorfnutter]

Could you tell me? With a Spoiler of course.

I use a Walkthrough for Eternum anyway. I also watch the wrong scenes and IMO most choices are super easy, but some might be a bit cryptic.

It's implied by Cari on Discord that taking the Founder's artifact will lead to a bad ending in the future.

 

[Mutation8888]

Oh it does have a use. It just isn't going to be used for the main story and instead will be used for a lewd scene in the future (as was heavily implied by the Collector himself back then).

Yeah, I figured that. I think so much more could have been done with it though. Missed opportunities in storytelling. I have no doubt there will be something interesting in store either way though.

 

[Cherubin25]

It's implied by Cari on Discord that taking the Founder's artifact will lead to a bad ending in the future.

Ok, so there is no bad ending for it yet. The way it was worded it sounded like there is already a Bad Ending which happens way after the respective choice.
(But then again, I think this is a very obvious choice)

 

[Ashira13]

Could you tell me? With a Spoiler of course.

I use a Walkthrough for Eternum anyway. I also watch the wrong scenes and IMO most choices are super easy, but some might be a bit cryptic.

don't remember all of them, but if you choose the any other gift than the necklace to Annie in your first visit to Eternum. Annie will die and lose her level in the Andromeda server.

 

[Mutation8888]

It's implied by Cari on Discord that taking the Founder's artifact will lead to a bad ending in the future.

I would think it would actually be an artifact the Founder uses to control others at opportune moments.

 

[Dorfnutter]

Yeah, I figured that. I think so much more could have been done with it though. Missed opportunities in storytelling. I have no doubt there will be something interesting in store either way though.

Feels like it would invalidate the open-ended nature of the Collector whodunit if he made the artifact a mandatory story item tho. At least that was the vibe I was getting from Cari's posts about the matter.

 

[Mutation8888]

Feels like it would invalidate the open-ended nature of the Collector whodunit if he made the artifact a mandatory story item tho. At least that was the vibe I was getting from Cari's posts about the matter.

Possibly. The artifact just seemed like it would be far more useful as a plot device than a sex toy.

 

[Finuee]

Could also be prescience/future sight territory since the Syndicate - like Idriel - seems to be associated with Limbo, and we know from Idriel's infodump that that place is disconnected from the normal flow of time so it makes sense why they may have knowledge of both the inevitable and the preventable (though due to being disconnected from normal time their actions may not have any lasting effects hence why they need people like Orion to make said lasting choices).

Edit: Also future sight and prophecy lines up with the whole Greek myth theming of the entire story so far, what with their stories basically being about people trying to fight against prophecy and shit (and mostly failing).

That is very true, and it might very well be that. But there was some lines by the syndicate guy similar to "this time around" or something like that, if I recall correctly. And somebody else (I'll be damned of I remember who) also mentioned something similar in this update. That's what made me think of circular time. Which would also align with some Greek philosophers, too.

 

[Finuee]

Yep, quite possible. Or due to choices that the MC makes, a set of events will occur that he may not like, leading him to make other choices he also may not like. Hearkens back to what The Founder was asking him about whether he would sacrifice innocents for his loved ones and how that is considered helping others...

That's true. Would still be compatible with both Dorfnutter's theory of prescience and mine of circular time, though.

 

[Finuee]

I had noticed a lot of Greek terminology and names, such as the nymph Calypso, a name indicating "to keep hidden," from an island called Ogygia who trapped Odysseus for seven years. Also Orion, The Hunter. Also, connections with Alex's fascination with constellations, of which many are named after Greek figures.

There's also the fact that the dev's chosen nick is Caribdis, yet another Greek mythology reference.

I also have a bit of a theory regarding the sacrifice of innocents or loved ones that The Founder indicated. The MC has Polyjuice potion and a Xerox artifact. I get the feeling that someone is going to use the Polyjuice potion to appear as Calypso or Calypso to appear as someone else to hide her (to keep hidden), and the Xerox Artifact will be used to sacrifice someone without actually sacrificing them for real. This would fulfill the entire change of expected events that Idriel keeps bringing up as a coin toss that always comes up heads until the MC states tails for instance. It would be hilarious for Calypso to be captured again only to wind up not actually being the real Calypso while the real Calypso is hidden as someone else and at the MC's side.

It would be interesting if the thing that was "different this time around" were to be the poly juice potion hehe...

 

[Cherubin25]

don't remember all of them, but if you choose the any other gift than the necklace to Annie in your first visit to Eternum. Annie will die and lose her level in the Andromeda server.

Does this lead to a Bad End? Aka the game is over or you lose a path? If not, I would not really count that as significant.

 

[Mutation8888]

There's also the fact that the dev's chosen nick is Caribdis, yet another Greek mythology reference.


It would be interesting if the thing that was "different this time around" were to be the poly juice potion hehe...

I had noticed that the developer chose Caribdis, the sea monster/whirlpool that destroys everything in it's wake.

Interesting that the name Idriel as an Elvish name is often a masculine name. In other uses, it can be a female name and is often equated to one who seeks change.