VN Ren'Py Eternum [v0.9.4] [Caribdis]

[raghrgiHFGgh]

Anyone else feel like even though this was the biggest update ever, there was a lot of "filler" and the plot didn't move that far forward? There was practically no "Eternum" content apart from Hyril'ar.

 

[quorkboy]

Where did the idea that Nancy doesn't age come from?

As for her achievements in Eternum... I'm not sure that's worth addressing in detail, so I'll only say that she took over the WRE by punching one sad pathetic man who only had power because people let him. That's it. And she is smart, dedicated enough that she probably studied military strategy in her spare time once she was in charge, and—this part is important—this is a fantasy story in which multiple people who all happen to know one another to one degree or another form one of the most powerful groups in Eternum, with one of them having 100% compatibility and incredible powers he got by existing.

She does not "work for the Founder". And the "super important guy (who) is getting in to her lab every week", she doesn't have anything to do with him other than that she orchestrates a plan to hack into the guy's laptop to steal vital information. That seems like something someone conspiring with the Founder would do?

There is zero possibility one of the heroes turns out to be a villain. Wild speculation is one thing. Theories which would require Cari to be abducted and replaced by an evil replica in order to become reality are another.

 

[Henchmen13]

I don't imagine Nancy being NPC or related to the Founder. At least not initially, i think her age was more of gimmick, but it would be interesting if it's incorporated into the story and turned out that she is non-fully-human so she and her daughters don't die within the normal human lifespan. Otherwise the ending will possibly involve how Calypso at the bare minimum outlive them em, with Orion possibly staying around longer than normal but still not indefinitely. ... I am not sure if Eternum is truly afterlife because if it was so, as opposed to some realm that just exist, where are all the Elfs that have died in Caly's home? It's interesting to consider that the Founder possibly pillaged hundreds of worlds before Earth, in order to full Eternum with NPCs.

On the topic of Nancy betraying Orion, given how the character herself said she will do so if Orion harm her daughters. I am anticipating secret or mini ending where Orion didn't just not date them, but fucked up spectacularly, leading to Nancy making good of her threat.

 

[quorkboy]

I don't think there will be an option to fuck up that badly. Who would choose it if there were?

And Nancy would wait until after they save the world(s) before exacting her vengeance on Orion for hurting Penny and Dalia. She's super protective, not evil.

(Also, still confused about the age thing. Fairly certain she's a perfectly normal human age.)

 

[FuckMe1234567890]

Where did the idea that Nancy doesn't age come from?

As for her achievements in Eternum... I'm not sure that's worth addressing in detail, so I'll only say that she took over the WRE by punching one sad pathetic man who only had power because people let him. That's it. And she is smart, dedicated enough that she probably studied military strategy in her spare time once she was in charge, and—this part is important—this is a fantasy story in which multiple people who all happen to know one another to one degree or another form one of the most powerful groups in Eternum, with one of them having 100% compatibility and incredible powers he got by existing.

She does not "work for the Founder". And the "super important guy (who) is getting in to her lab every week", she doesn't have anything to do with him other than that she orchestrates a plan to hack into the guy's laptop to steal vital information. That seems like something someone conspiring with the Founder would do?

There is zero possibility one of the heroes turns out to be a villain. Wild speculation is one thing. Theories which would require Cari to be abducted and replaced by an evil replica in order to become reality are another.

She is 39 years old, and there are multiple people saying that she looks similar for last 20 years, including Orion. Also, u saw her tits, right? How many women you met that looks like that when they are 40?
She punched one man, true, but she was put in position that allowed her to punch him because some convoluted prophecy - in story, in which magic and astral projections are real prophecy seems like a big deal, or at least could be.
By definition she works for Founder, because her job is owned by Ulysses.
Founder plays long game, and he started playing it before Orion could say gugu gaga. Is this sufficent enough evidence to suggest that Nancy is his pawn - of course not, but as I said already, it is fun for me to theorize.

I don't imagine Nancy being NPC or related to the Founder. At least not initially, i think her age was more of gimmick, but it would be interesting if it's incorporated into the story and turned out that she is non-fully-human so she and her daughters don't die within the normal human lifespan. Otherwise the ending will possibly involve how Calypso at the bare minimum outlive them em, with Orion possibly staying around longer than normal but still not indefinitely. ... I am not sure if Eternum is truly afterlife because if it was so, as opposed to some realm that just exist, where are all the Elfs that have died in Caly's home? It's interesting to consider that the Founder possibly pillaged hundreds of worlds before Earth, in order to full Eternum with NPCs.

On the topic of Nancy betraying Orion, given how the character herself said she will do so if Orion harm her daughters. I am anticipating secret or mini ending where Orion didn't just not date them, but fucked up spectacularly, leading to Nancy making good of her threat.

Fucking finally, somebody who gets it. Thank you man - some good fucking food.

 

[gino.pilotino]

For me, xenomorphs are the spermatozoa of Thanatos. What I can't explain is: why did he go and masturbate only on Andromeda and not on other servers too?

 

[FuckMe1234567890]

For me, xenomorphs are the spermatozoa of Thanatos. What I can't explain is: why did he go and masturbate only on Andromeda and not on other servers too?

That's because there was another prophecy - "the one named after the Greek god will shit out his hideous offspring onto the universe, and their number will be enormous"
Trust me, I was there, 3000 years ago

 

[Big_I_Guy]

As for her achievements in Eternum... I'm not sure that's worth addressing in detail, so I'll only say that she took over the WRE by punching one sad pathetic man who only had power because people let him. That's it.

There was also a prophecy that a woman with red hair and green eyes would lead the WRE to victory.

I've got a pet theory that a lot of the coincidences like that are actually the Syndicate or Idriel (or both) manipulating events. The beggar who asks the MC for money for his daughter in Semper Invicta is probably in the Syndicate.

 

[quorkboy]

She is 39 years old, and there are multiple people saying that she looks similar for last 20 years, including Orion. Also, u saw her tits, right? How many women you met that looks like that when they are 40?

Really? That's your evidence?

This is a very common fictional trope. The older woman who looks young enough to be her daughter's sister. It's not to be taken seriously.

She punched one man, true, but she was put in position that allowed her to punch him because some convoluted prophecy - in story, in which magic and astral projections are real prophecy seems like a big deal, or at least could be.

Don't know what your point is here, but it doesn't contradict anything I wrote.

The whole story is a riff on the boy who finds their destiny as they are coming of age and embarks on a great quest with his band of heroes fantasy. A prophecy fits right in.

By definition she works for Founder, because her job is owned by Ulysses.

This is not even close to how corporations operate.

Theorise all you like. But I'm not taking theories seriously if they entirely disregard everything we know.

 

[Big_I_Guy]

At least not initially, i think her age was more of gimmick, but it would be interesting if it's incorporated into the story and turned out that she is non-fully-human so she and her daughters don't die within the normal human lifespan.

It's a pretty common theory (that I also believe in) that there's some sort of timeloop shenanigans going on in the story. Plus time in Kredon seems weird; the weather is bizarre and Annie mentions that hair grows really quickly in Kredon. I sometimes wonder whether Kredon isn't just an Eternum server and the whole cast are NPCs. I think the MC himself is clearly brainwashed in some capacity, he's got suppressed memories and keeps repeating "I hardly ever dream in the first place" every time he has a dream.

I think the timeloop (if it exists) erases memories but not emotions, so they get reinforced each loop.
- In the sex scene with Nancy in the elevator she says she's wanted to have sex with the MC since she saw him in the park, which is a little odd.
- In the blowjob scene with Dalia in the Cove she mentions the MC's cum tastes exactly as she imagined, which is also a little odd.
- In the latest update if you romance Calypso the MC will mention that kissing her felt like something that was meant to happen.
- The MC knows stuff about the love interests he should have no way of knowing (favourite foods, movies, etc), Dalia even calls him out about knowing her favourite movie is the Lord of the Rings trilogy.

On the original point about Calypso outliving everyone, I guess the easiest answer would just be to say that everyone aren't humans, but are instead human looking "eldari" like the ones she said were in the story about Queen Anima.

 

[quorkboy]

There was also a prophecy that a woman with red hair and green eyes would lead the WRE to victory.

I've got a pet theory that a lot of the coincidences like that are actually the Syndicate or Idriel (or both) manipulating events. The beggar who asks the MC for money for his daughter in Semper Invicta is probably in the Syndicate.

It's believable to me that the Syndicate is behind a lot of things. I don't know if Idriel has much power to directly influence events—else why hasn't she shown it instead of directing Orion with vague hints and riddles—but planting a prophecy seems within the bounds of reason.

 

[gino.pilotino]

It's believable to me that the Syndicate is behind a lot of things. I don't know if Idriel has much power to directly influence events—else why hasn't she shown it instead of directing Orion with vague hints and riddles—but planting a prophecy seems within the bounds of reason.

We have at least four years to figure out which theories make sense and which don't. I hope I'm still alive in four years and can find out who was right. How old is Cari?

 

[friedkeenan]

I am not sure if Eternum is truly afterlife because if it was so, as opposed to some realm that just exist, where are all the Elfs that have died in Caly's home?

I'm not sure either, but I will say that Luna's grandma's sister, who could speak with the dead, apparently said that each person gets their own personal "heaven" where some are hanging out with others that they loved or whatever, and others are more alone. It could maybe be that Eternum is just the Founder capturing and repurposing these afterlifes, and turning the dead people living there into NPCs. Again though, I'm not sure.

Hyril'ar could possibly have fewer aggregate deaths because the elves are all very long-lived and don't give birth very often. I don't recall ever seeing an elf NPC, but Alex has her robes that were apparently created by elves, maybe she did see some elves wherever she got them. Though of course, the NPCs can be made to look even like werewolves and such, so it could be that humans were made to look like elves in the places where one would see them in Eternum. But the inverse of that could also happen, that dead elves are made to look like humans as NPCs. Or maybe elves just can't be repurposed into NPCs. There are possible explanations.

 

[Big_I_Guy]

It's believable to me that the Syndicate is behind a lot of things. I don't know if Idriel has much power to directly influence events—else why hasn't she shown it instead of directing Orion with vague hints and riddles—but planting a prophecy seems within the bounds of reason.

In the latest update, if the MC gets killed by the elves (e.g. not counter attacking the treacherous guard) you'll see a shot of Idriel and hear the sound of a coin flip before the game resets to before his death. This seems consistent to me with what she said to the MC in the alley, she couldn't help him because there's "no coin here, no reset". So I think she's intervening to keep him alive in Eternum.

Another time I think she intervenes is in the hunter's village when the MC is deciding whether or not to follow the girls to the werewolves or the vampires. He leaves it up to a coin toss, then you get a shot of Idriel imprisoned in Limbo, then the coin lands to tell the MC to leave the village.

 

[FuckMe1234567890]

Theorise all you like. But I'm not taking theories seriously if they entirely disregard everything we know.

???? Did I ask you to take it seriously? And please tell me where I disregared anything from game or lore. It is just funny theory, which was created to ilustrate how people misunderstood cliffhangers. I wonder if you read previous pages or did you just jump here to patronize me for no reason. I'll ask you for permission next time I will theorize. For now, I wonder what you think about thanatos/xenomorphs theory - seems like it is grounded within lore of the game.

 

[quorkboy]

???? Did I ask you to take it seriously? And please tell me where I disregared anything from game or lore. It is just funny theory, which was created to ilustrate how people misunderstood cliffhangers. I wonder if you read previous pages or did you just jump here to patronize me for no reason. I'll ask you for permission next time I will theorize. For now, I wonder what you think about thanatos/xenomorphs theory - seems like it is grounded within lore of the game.

You're just being weird now. At no point did I patronise you.

Everything you've said about the possibility of Nancy being a double agent disregards all that we know about her and her family and her relationship with Orion. If it was intended to make a point about cliffhangers, I don't see how it did that.

Feel free to put me on ignore if you don't want to read what I write.

 

[quorkboy]

In the latest update, if the MC gets killed by the elves (e.g. not counter attacking the treacherous guard) you'll see a shot of Idriel and hear the sound of a coin flip before the game resets to before his death. This seems consistent to me with what she said to the MC in the alley, she couldn't help him because there's "no coin here, no reset". So I think she's intervening to keep him alive in Eternum.

Another time I think she intervenes is in the hunter's village when the MC is deciding whether or not to follow the girls to the werewolves or the vampires. He leaves it up to a coin toss, then you get a shot of Idriel imprisoned in Limbo, then the coin lands to tell the MC to leave the village.

I agree, she has some notable powers and is definitely a catalyst and guide for much of what is happening. I also think she is restricted, which is what the scenes of her in chains represent, and the fact that she can't fully appear to Orion anywhere other than the place he sees her when he first enters Eternum—every other time, at least I think so, is a vision of some kind.

A completely free Idriel, however. That is something I think will be quite spectacular.

 

[FuckMe1234567890]

You're just being weird now. At no point did I patronise you.

Everything you've said about the possibility of Nancy being a double agent disregards all that we know about her and her family and her relationship with Orion. If it was intended to make a point about cliffhangers, I don't see how it did that.

Feel free to put me on ignore if you don't want to read what I write.

But, as other users here wrote, there are some things in the game about Nancy that are not yet explained - which is enough to theorize. Theory about her being a double agent is probably wrong - but not 100% wrong yet. I'll give you some evidence - she has least amount of points possible from all LIs (other than Calypso but she wasn't even proper LI before this update). This directly contradicts her presence in story - she is main reason why harem works and she is central to almost every major plot point - empress of WRE, pirate arc, searching for gems, getting information about Ulysses through her job. She even coordinates search for Orion when he is stuck with Calypso. Yet, there isn't actually many points to score from her - seems like she just likes Orion for no reason from start of the game. Or maybe there is a reason - but hidden for players. Does it mean anything? Probably not, but it is a little weird. Or maybe she is just a groomer, but that means that she really is a villain.

It's believable to me that the Syndicate is behind a lot of things. I don't know if Idriel has much power to directly influence events—else why hasn't she shown it instead of directing Orion with vague hints and riddles—but planting a prophecy seems within the bounds of reason.

She shows it all the time - everytime Orion dies she is doing some black magic to resurrect him (and his proper timeline!). Seems to me like she is most powerfull being in story.

 

[Henchmen13]

erases memories but not emotions, so they get reinforced each loop.
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On the original point about Calypso outliving everyone, I guess the easiest answer would just be to say that everyone aren't humans, but are instead human looking "eldari" like the ones she said were in the story about Queen Anima.

I haven't really considered that people beside Orion will keep emotions/memories from previous iterations. If the dev was decided this to part of the outline from as early as 0.1, and has incorporated it, this is amazing planning on their side.

Everyone being eldari don't sound like interesting reveal to me, the same for Kredon being server thou that one's mostly due to Idriel mentioning that she can't help Orion outside of Eternum. It would be interesting if there is something special for the city, there was even a few hints about it, but i am not sure if it will be something major. I can imagine it being the point of least resistance / point of overlap between realms, leading to the Ulysses headquarter being located there for actual reasons. Possibly The Founder was the one that reached out to William, using the sociopath that didn't care about other people, in order to bring people from Earth in Eternum for his own reasons. William already know that there is more going on with Eternum, so him being the reason the implants were manufactured and spread around Earth will be interesting possibility. Possibly due to this overlap Alex being "half elf" is one of the myriad of weird anomalies in the region, such as the unique butterflies or the chaotic weather.

Part of me consider the ending of the game will be "Orion had kids with everyone and settled in remote location / small town in order to raise them". Possibly this would be somehow tied with "Eternum being actual realm rather than JUST afterlife leading to Orion and the Girls moving in there on their personal paradise". I am also interesting how Calypso's wander lust will meet it's end, or if the epilogue will consist of her hanging out with Orion until all the girls die and then exploring different servers/words in Eternum with him. Possibly having the girls continue as ghost in Eternum once their physical bodies expire.

On further note about the Ulysses headquarter, our talk at the interview showed something like "lightning going out was" was apparently something that never happens. I wrote the idea for the implant and the headquarter above, but it will be interesting of the player that died at the end of 0.9 are due to direct result of Luna pulling the plug. It's most likely The Syndicate pulling strings to accelerate things that were already going to happens. Still the idea that this somehow lead to the players being killed, is interesting if unlikely.

 

[Maviarab]

just likes Orion for no reason from start of the game. Or maybe there is a reason - but hidden for players. Does it mean anything? Probably not, but it is a little weird. Or maybe she is just a groomer, but that means that she really is a villain.