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Thanks for your opinions peperonni31 .
I tend to disagree about the not knowing what choices are going to affect thing, as it's kinda the staple of VNs. Sure, SOME things could be more obvious, but part of the fun of a VN is experimenting with the different choices.
So while I see where you are coming from, it's not something that bothers me in the slightest - quite the contrary, in fact.
So, most of the "god knows who" characters are people you meet during the trip? Even Guter Reiter himself has voiced doubt about his decision to make such a trip and voiced his desire to go back to the "regulars", so ... yeah.
Still, IF the trip was made, it would've have made much sense to meet all the same people from home, so it's an obvious issue.
Which goes straight to the last point about those people back home that were introduced needing some more time to shine - hard to argue with that, but there's only so much Reiter can do in every given update. As I'm now "forced" to develop characters and plotlines of my own, I'm definitely sympathetic to his woes, though as a player, naturally I can't really disagree.
I tend to disagree about the not knowing what choices are going to affect thing, as it's kinda the staple of VNs. Sure, SOME things could be more obvious, but part of the fun of a VN is experimenting with the different choices.
So while I see where you are coming from, it's not something that bothers me in the slightest - quite the contrary, in fact.
So, most of the "god knows who" characters are people you meet during the trip? Even Guter Reiter himself has voiced doubt about his decision to make such a trip and voiced his desire to go back to the "regulars", so ... yeah.
Still, IF the trip was made, it would've have made much sense to meet all the same people from home, so it's an obvious issue.
Which goes straight to the last point about those people back home that were introduced needing some more time to shine - hard to argue with that, but there's only so much Reiter can do in every given update. As I'm now "forced" to develop characters and plotlines of my own, I'm definitely sympathetic to his woes, though as a player, naturally I can't really disagree.
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Exploring different paths from choices made is fun... but the choices should hint toward what they lead to or at least make sense in some way. Something as arbitrary as picking the color of the bikini should not be a major deciding factor for how the story plays out.
The vacation could have been more fun if they invited some friends along. Literally any of the pre-existing characters we've met would suffice. There could have been some real adventures there. Instead, we get a bunch of randos thrown at Nicole again with the same rinse and repeat choices (show tits/show pussy... why not show both, mutherfucker!??).
I'd like to see the game come to focus back on characters like Casey, Nicole's ex, that hot chick we fuck at the BBQ, Nicole's co-worker... and add a little tension to it. Turbulence is good storytelling (and no, I'm not talking about having Steve or Nicole cheat on each other).
About the choices, I can only repeat myself, I see where you're coming from, but disagree.
Maybe I'm biased, having played a ton of the older japanese VNs - compared to those, the choices in EG are smooth sailing. Yes, you can't be 100% sure what the choice affects, but there aren't many choices to begin with, so exploring all options is (together with skip mode) easy peasy. I guess I'm just a different kind of gamer, as I'd much rather have choice/effects like the swimsuit one than stupid binary choices of the "I want to see this or not" variety.
We're going to have to agree to disagree about this one.
And about the vacation, I think I already wrote everything. I mostly concur. If I could dream up my own version of the game, I'd probably have put in the vacation MUCH earlier, with the idea that Nicole might have been game for some experimentation in a relaxed atmosphere with strangers she wouldn't have considered in her familiar environment. As it stands, the vacation came when everyone (me included) was eager to see more content with familiar faces, and at that point, Nicole was already on board with doing most everything anyway.
But that all is easy to say in hindsight. I bet Guter Reiter learned something and will put it to good use in his next game.
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I dislike stupid binary choices like that, too. But I also dislike choices where "Choose orange bikini to get threesome with Sarah or green bikini to get stranger with Nicole 5 episodes from now".
That's not a bad idea, either. I think it was also a bad idea to have two different vacation locations. Obviously, made things more difficult to deliver a solid update.And about the vacation, I think I already wrote everything. I mostly concur. If I could dream up my own version of the game, I'd probably have put in the vacation MUCH earlier, with the idea that Nicole might have been game for some experimentation in a relaxed atmosphere with strangers she wouldn't have considered in her familiar environment. As it stands, the vacation came when everyone (me included) was eager to see more content with familiar faces, and at that point, Nicole was already on board with doing most everything anyway.
But that all is easy to say in hindsight. I bet @Guter Reiter learned something and will put it to good use in his next game.
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Okay I'll join the conversation. Regarding the different paths and choices they have their benefits and negatives. On the positive side you get so much content. There are way too many games that have choices that don't really change anything. Almost every choice here leads to new scenes and different outcomes. It makes the game fun and makes it so you almost have to save at every choice or you miss content. I love that. It makes the game unique and with every new release you have mulitple paths to go down. Some games offer a sharing path, a vanilla path and a cheating path. Think of Pineapple express or Couples Duet as examples. I'm not criticizing these games, in fact I enjoy playing them. But I prefer the way Guter has done this. You have choices to make Nicole as slutty or non-slutty as you want. In fact, there is a path where even at chapter 16 she hasn't had sex with anyone but Steve.
Now onto the negatives. Sometimes the logic gets a little crazy and a choice made three chapters before impacts the story. Let me give you two separate decision points in the game to show the comparison. The first is the whole bathing suit incident with Sarah. You make what looks like a nonimportant decision but then three chapters later, it opens up a whole different scene. Nobody would have guessed that decision point would impact the game in anyway. The second happens the night you go over to Eric and Colin's house the first time. The decision question is "do you want me to go on a date with John?". Once again, the payoff for that choice doesn't happen until three chapters later but at least you understand how that choice may impact the game. This makes the game interesting, but also frustrating sometimes. The second reason is the main problem I have and that is with each update, based upon the choices you made previously Guter has to create renders and dialogues to satisfy that outcome. Take for instance the last visit to the Red Angel. Your first choice was whether you recommended Casey to go to the gym near Thomas or the one that Nicole uses. Every decision point made in the club is affected by that decision. Then, let's assume you picked the one near Thomas. At that point you have the whole massage scene which has it's own branches. After that, you have differences based on whether they went far in the massage or shut it down early. This decision will impact all future activies for that night which means new dialogue and possibly different renders. To do all this and make sure the logic flows must be difficult for Guter and cause more and more additions to each update which, like I said, means longer time between updates.
Now that I've said all that, I doubt anyone is still reading but just in case you are let me just say, I love this game. It's my favorite. I'm fully invested in the couple and the story and can't wait to see what Guter has planned next. He is very good at what he does and I hope when he finally completes this game that he wants to continue developing since I think he's got a real talent for it. I'm not criticizing the choices and the impact on the game, I'm just trying to point out that there are pluses and minuses for having all this content. Anyway, that's just my opinion. Doesn't make it right, doesn't make it wrong, just makes it mine.
Now onto the negatives. Sometimes the logic gets a little crazy and a choice made three chapters before impacts the story. Let me give you two separate decision points in the game to show the comparison. The first is the whole bathing suit incident with Sarah. You make what looks like a nonimportant decision but then three chapters later, it opens up a whole different scene. Nobody would have guessed that decision point would impact the game in anyway. The second happens the night you go over to Eric and Colin's house the first time. The decision question is "do you want me to go on a date with John?". Once again, the payoff for that choice doesn't happen until three chapters later but at least you understand how that choice may impact the game. This makes the game interesting, but also frustrating sometimes. The second reason is the main problem I have and that is with each update, based upon the choices you made previously Guter has to create renders and dialogues to satisfy that outcome. Take for instance the last visit to the Red Angel. Your first choice was whether you recommended Casey to go to the gym near Thomas or the one that Nicole uses. Every decision point made in the club is affected by that decision. Then, let's assume you picked the one near Thomas. At that point you have the whole massage scene which has it's own branches. After that, you have differences based on whether they went far in the massage or shut it down early. This decision will impact all future activies for that night which means new dialogue and possibly different renders. To do all this and make sure the logic flows must be difficult for Guter and cause more and more additions to each update which, like I said, means longer time between updates.
Now that I've said all that, I doubt anyone is still reading but just in case you are let me just say, I love this game. It's my favorite. I'm fully invested in the couple and the story and can't wait to see what Guter has planned next. He is very good at what he does and I hope when he finally completes this game that he wants to continue developing since I think he's got a real talent for it. I'm not criticizing the choices and the impact on the game, I'm just trying to point out that there are pluses and minuses for having all this content. Anyway, that's just my opinion. Doesn't make it right, doesn't make it wrong, just makes it mine.
Adivar, you should think about separating such a wall of text into a few paragraphs, makes it easier to read and less intimidating to look at.
I think you guys have the wrong approach to choices (of course it isn't really obviously wrong, everyone is entitled to their opinion) - I for one WOULD have guessed the bathing suit decision (which is the worst example, these things aren't really common in EG) has an impact - you know why? Because the game doesn't have decisions that have no impact whatsoever, except maybe some of the "finishing shot" choices, or whether or not to try anal - but even those tick up a counter and have minor impact or could have. And that's good, in my book.
If you think about your own life, is it unrealistic for small decisions to have a huge impact? If you decide to get burgers on the lunch break instead of pizza, you might meet a girl there you're totally into, or you might not. On the other hand, you might meet a future employer if you have pizza, so this seemingly insignificant decision could have a massive impact on your life. And "nobody could have predicted that" from your decision on where to spend your lunch break.
EG is actually very light on such decisions having an impact. Some games have in interconnected web of things that only happen if you bought the red bikini one day, chose to take the train instead of a taxi another day, chose to visit the hair salon instead of going shopping on a third day and so on and so forth. And even that isn't really a problem in a game like EG. Because skip mode is enabled and there are no minigames or secondary interfaces (like a mobile phone) or crappy free roam sections, it's convenient and fast to go back to any given decision, chose something else and see whether or not it had an impact by enabling skip mode. I do hear you, it's a big deal for you somehow, but I really can't understand why.
I think you guys have the wrong approach to choices (of course it isn't really obviously wrong, everyone is entitled to their opinion) - I for one WOULD have guessed the bathing suit decision (which is the worst example, these things aren't really common in EG) has an impact - you know why? Because the game doesn't have decisions that have no impact whatsoever, except maybe some of the "finishing shot" choices, or whether or not to try anal - but even those tick up a counter and have minor impact or could have. And that's good, in my book.
If you think about your own life, is it unrealistic for small decisions to have a huge impact? If you decide to get burgers on the lunch break instead of pizza, you might meet a girl there you're totally into, or you might not. On the other hand, you might meet a future employer if you have pizza, so this seemingly insignificant decision could have a massive impact on your life. And "nobody could have predicted that" from your decision on where to spend your lunch break.
EG is actually very light on such decisions having an impact. Some games have in interconnected web of things that only happen if you bought the red bikini one day, chose to take the train instead of a taxi another day, chose to visit the hair salon instead of going shopping on a third day and so on and so forth. And even that isn't really a problem in a game like EG. Because skip mode is enabled and there are no minigames or secondary interfaces (like a mobile phone) or crappy free roam sections, it's convenient and fast to go back to any given decision, chose something else and see whether or not it had an impact by enabling skip mode. I do hear you, it's a big deal for you somehow, but I really can't understand why.
Like I said, it's not a criticism. I love the choices and I love how you never know how they will impact the game. For instance, look back at the time Steve was playing soccer (football, sorry, I'm in the U.S.) with Colin and Eric. I think it was Colin who asked where would you take someone on a first date? The choices were cinema or cafe. That decision was made in chapter 3, I think and it still hasn't been paid off. The only reference was at the waterpark where Colin asked Nicole to go out with him and where he asked her to go was dependent on the choice. I love that. My only concern was that it must build a lot of additional content for Guter to create based on all these choices and this has to slow down the releases. Do I want him to cut back? Heck no. I'm just pointing out that it has to slow down the releases since he has to create content for each different choice. I give him credit for keeping all this straight. I would go crazy trying to remember all this.
so i offer adding 5 new character and 10 new branch opening in every chapter so the games can finish in year 2088 !
God give GR long blessed life to finish this game
most of your argues still not considering the TIME
we had lot of these kind of conversation about adding animation and reached the point which is animations are veryyyy gooood but not worth it to add 1 month to every update. sames almost goes for characters and branches, characters branches are veryyyy gooooddddd but not for this game anymore
God give GR long blessed life to finish this game
most of your argues still not considering the TIME
we had lot of these kind of conversation about adding animation and reached the point which is animations are veryyyy gooood but not worth it to add 1 month to every update. sames almost goes for characters and branches, characters branches are veryyyy gooooddddd but not for this game anymore
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But was this what we were talking about?
First of all, the beauty of choices that don't have a clear outcome is - they don't HAVE to have any outcome at all. So it's not like GR needs to develop stories accounting for each and every combination to begin with.
Next, nobody was arguing in favor of opening more threads in the plot, my position was just that it made sense to have Nicki and Steve meet strangers instead of all familiar faces when going on a holiday trip.
I think everyone, including GR, is anticipating the couple's return home and subsequent adventures with people we already know. And there, I think we've seen most people that will play a role by now. Time will tell.
And I agree about the animations. Good animations aren't easy to make, and even average animations take a ton of time to render - even a fairly limited animation can easily go beyond 100 individual frames, i.e. renders.
I, for one, certainly hope GR will see EG through to the end, then draw his conclusions about what good and bad choices he made during the development process and enjoy more much deserved success with his next game.
Once again, time will tell.
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God I wish she would wear g-strings... those are some ugly panties
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Yes, she has a great figure and always wears her “good morning” panties...lol.
In another photo she is wearing the sexy red stockings again.
In another photo she is wearing the sexy red stockings again.
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I enjoyed parts of the game so far. I think the most important thing about adult games is whether or not they're able to make you horny. In that sense it has already succeeded.
What I miss though, at least a tiny bit, are the Exciting Games. It is a bit one sided with her getting most of the action. Hotwifing is great, no doubt about that, but our MC isn't as involved as he could be. Exciting Games shouldn't be only about lending one's wife out to strangers I think.
A scenario where she pushes him to pose in front of the camera, like a photoshoot for a firefighter calendar, could be a nice change, especially if our heroine is the one commenting on how sexy her husband is. And when some tipsy onlookers come by she could convince them to pose next to his bare ass and be the one make the decisions instead.
What I miss though, at least a tiny bit, are the Exciting Games. It is a bit one sided with her getting most of the action. Hotwifing is great, no doubt about that, but our MC isn't as involved as he could be. Exciting Games shouldn't be only about lending one's wife out to strangers I think.
A scenario where she pushes him to pose in front of the camera, like a photoshoot for a firefighter calendar, could be a nice change, especially if our heroine is the one commenting on how sexy her husband is. And when some tipsy onlookers come by she could convince them to pose next to his bare ass and be the one make the decisions instead.
Huh, my menu looks differently and i definitely dont have an option for a walkthrough
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