xcalibar4
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I play NTR to see FMC corruption. What you are saying is Netorase theme, but most Western NTR games is more into cuck/humiliation than a loving netorase play. Though I play netorase less as it has less corruption factor but if presented right (like any other genre
) it's can become good.I read a story in literotica where hubby wanted to share his wife, who slowly became to enjoy it more and has sex with her crush or something few times but hubby said he isn't comfortable with him so she stopped but while in a threesome the crush comes and in a passion or lust filled mind she started indulging him. So when hubby comes and sees this he got angry and sad that he lost his wife and instead of wanking just went away. Wife notices this, pushes all others out in the middle of sex and runs after hubby in all tears and they had a sweet make up sex in the corridor or something. So yeah as even a corruption fan this type of story also intrigues me.
To me Dimajio333 games FMC needs less push/corruption than other NTR fmc. As his game/story is more about MMC slowly but surely getting into cucking willingly/unwillingly.
Few tropes in NTR:
- For some reason or other the couples seems to not to indulge in sex as often. The MMC is mostly prude, toooo much sweet to ask for sex as he thinks it pushes boundaries or something, he has a small dick or quick shot. Very oblivious or too trusting. Has a secret cuck fetish that even he didn't know.
- the FMC are a closet slut, supressed nymphomaniac, a hypocrite. Later learns to enjoy thrill of cheating, or for some mostly unknown reason loves to humiliate hubby.
- for some reason they don't talk the TALK (cause then NTR won't happen).
- there is no drama when break up happens. FMC and bull may humiliate him one final time that's it.
- FMC and bull will always end up in good/happy/successful endings. Where for some reason (because the anguish aspect of NTR I guess) the MMC will end up bad/unhappy/alone; he won't be able to move on with life anyway.
What you mentioned is a clear weakness of Dimajio's, and it leads people to assume that he's making games based on his personal experiences. Many people assume that his MC is literally himself, and that he's making games based on his experiences with his partner on some level, with his fantasy added in.
That has its merits, so his characters are very realistic in the eyes of those who share similar experiences, and his stories are relatable, and both emotionally and psychologically detailed. I think the humiliation is 100% fantasy, his FMCs are also dimajio himself, and I don't think he has the sadistic tendencies to enjoy humiliating his partners. I think it's the same reason his FMCs are closet sluts, it's just for fantasy.
Dimajio isn't the best writer, he's actually a terrible fiction writer, the characters in his games are essentially all his Persona and he has obvious limitations in terms of creating different personalities, but I don't doubt that he's one of the best developers making AVNs, and I think he has a great talent for creating believable, realistic characters and strong stories.
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English isn't my 1st or 2nd language so I tend to not understands things here and there so forgive me but your post clearly confuses me. You say he/she is terrible fiction writer but is great at creating strong stories. What attracts me is his premises they are unique in some way. But the corruption and drama isn't that well implemented.
As far as I remember his first game "Sharing my Fiance" has humiliation in it. As I said to me it felt his stories are about creating a cuck out of the MMC when he decides to let his SO explore others. It's always the FMC who will push things more to MMC so she is fully liberated and he accepts things like a good cuck like most western NTR tries to show.
I liked the premise of "Pineapple Express" but felt that the mystery aspect isn't done well and all endings sucked. Liked how it shows netorase play in the bull route of "Lost in Paradise" where MMC's frnd and his wife clearly loves each other and share and talk to each other in every time; but the in the cuck route the FMC starts things of own, manipulate/sneaks without consulting him before. I thought there would be drama as how in bull route how a NTS couple behaves is shown and cuck route it's different but alas the game ends with some typical cuck endings.
Like in this game FMC always decides things first tells him later even in the share route.
And in the cuck route she gets disappointed if he didn't agree to her condition of cock blocking him.
And the ultimate reason for it is not because he will enjoy it but so she can use his heightened arousal to continue her shenanigans. If he had a post nut clarity he may object.
If he agrees to cock blocking we see that it's really for her wish fulfillment.
And she clearly is into humiliating him.
Even reluctantly agrees to give him a pity fuck.
And it's not just pity fuck but actually needed release after getting so turned on by Matthew and he was just there to fulfill it.
In the final scene (if it's a full cuck route there is no choice but in other route there is a choice) we see she clearly would have cheated if someone didn't knock on the door. As far as I remember like many instances Patrick didn't give permission for it and she clearly taking advantage of his kink.
AVNs are generally comparable to low-budget, home-made amateur films in the movie industry. So, if you start evaluating them at the level of mainstream, they completely fall apart.
People might think that the process involves first creating a story, then acquiring the necessary assets for that story, rendering with tools, refining the dialogue and visuals, and then coding. However, in reality, the process often starts with planning a possible story based on the available assets, followed by detailed dialogue refinement, rendering, and coding. Also, if a scene takes longer to render or is more difficult than expected, the story may need to be revised. If good assets are acquired by chance, the story might change to utilize those assets.What was prepared for next month's plot might be abandoned because it turns out to be difficult, or something might be hastily added. Therefore, the story becomes ad hoc. This is an unavoidable fate due to the low budget. one of the reason I said he's a terrible fiction writer but the best AVN developer is because he crafts very decent stories within a limited budget and time, especially compared to other AVNs. The description of the delicate psychological flow of characters in specific situations feels very realistic from my experience. It doesn't feel like the absurd characters with brain-dead or their brains replaced by genitals, as in other games. It seems to reflect well the tendencies of people belonging to a specific demographic in Europe who have positive views on open relationships. It seems this is a demographic he belongs to or has frequently experienced.
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xcalibar4, you make some good points through the use of images/dialogue from the game. Some of the points you made were ones that I previously was trying to make by highlighting certain dialogue from the game, though I think your points may come across stronger with the additional use of imagery.
The main point I agree with is that the FMC initially tries to make it out to be that she is getting excited by what she's doing because she wants to fulfill her partner's kink; however, if you really look at her internal dialogue (her thoughts), it becomes apparent that she is doing this more for herself. Also, like you said, if this is more for the MC, then why is the FMC repeatedly doing things behind his back or without his permission first? And this is only on the cuck and sharing paths, where it can be somewhat justified (taking initiative, I suppose).
However, it makes even less sense on the sexual modesty/faithfulness paths and on the cheating paths, as I previously tried to show through the use of a detailed recounting of some of the decisions and dialogue along those paths. On the sexual modesty path, although Emma will never have intercourse with Martin without her husband's permission, she still will share several inappropriate moments with Martin and tell the MC about none of them, which may include giving a Martin a handjob while licking the tip of his dick after modeling risque lingerie for him. On the cheating path, Emma just totally goes off the rails after discussing fantasies with her husband, and even if he sends her porn involving one man and one woman and tells her that the porn she shared involving two men and one woman worries him, she still will have sex with Martin; and if her husband does not continually check on what she is doing, then she repeatedly cheats with Martin both in Martin's home (twice while her husband is in bed!) and at her and her husband's new apartment (while her husband is helping to move into their new apartment!), again with the only way to avoid some of this is for the MC to continually check on her (in other words, to not trust his wife).
I find this progression to be extremely fast and out of character for the FMC, especially given that she is married, still has passionate sex with her husband (who is in good physical shape), has never had sex with anyone but her husband, is satisifed with her husband being supportive of her university education (and does not feel seriously wronged by her husband in any way), and supposedly begins to fantasize about having sex with other men because she thinks it excites her husband and thus wants to please him. Yet regardless of her husband's actions, she will twice snoop on Martin while he masturbates in bed, and if the MC does not interrupt her while she does it the second time, she will witness Martin calling her name as he masturbates and apparently likes it so much that she decides to conceal it from her husband. Lastly, on the cheating path (the most immoral path), the FMC does not show any evidence in her thoughts about her behavior bothering her in terms of her conscience or in thinking about how damaging this could be to her husband's feelings and their marriage.
The main point I agree with is that the FMC initially tries to make it out to be that she is getting excited by what she's doing because she wants to fulfill her partner's kink; however, if you really look at her internal dialogue (her thoughts), it becomes apparent that she is doing this more for herself. Also, like you said, if this is more for the MC, then why is the FMC repeatedly doing things behind his back or without his permission first? And this is only on the cuck and sharing paths, where it can be somewhat justified (taking initiative, I suppose).
However, it makes even less sense on the sexual modesty/faithfulness paths and on the cheating paths, as I previously tried to show through the use of a detailed recounting of some of the decisions and dialogue along those paths. On the sexual modesty path, although Emma will never have intercourse with Martin without her husband's permission, she still will share several inappropriate moments with Martin and tell the MC about none of them, which may include giving a Martin a handjob while licking the tip of his dick after modeling risque lingerie for him. On the cheating path, Emma just totally goes off the rails after discussing fantasies with her husband, and even if he sends her porn involving one man and one woman and tells her that the porn she shared involving two men and one woman worries him, she still will have sex with Martin; and if her husband does not continually check on what she is doing, then she repeatedly cheats with Martin both in Martin's home (twice while her husband is in bed!) and at her and her husband's new apartment (while her husband is helping to move into their new apartment!), again with the only way to avoid some of this is for the MC to continually check on her (in other words, to not trust his wife).
I find this progression to be extremely fast and out of character for the FMC, especially given that she is married, still has passionate sex with her husband (who is in good physical shape), has never had sex with anyone but her husband, is satisifed with her husband being supportive of her university education (and does not feel seriously wronged by her husband in any way), and supposedly begins to fantasize about having sex with other men because she thinks it excites her husband and thus wants to please him. Yet regardless of her husband's actions, she will twice snoop on Martin while he masturbates in bed, and if the MC does not interrupt her while she does it the second time, she will witness Martin calling her name as he masturbates and apparently likes it so much that she decides to conceal it from her husband. Lastly, on the cheating path (the most immoral path), the FMC does not show any evidence in her thoughts about her behavior bothering her in terms of her conscience or in thinking about how damaging this could be to her husband's feelings and their marriage.
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xcalibar4
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Thank you for reminding some aspects of PE, I am not good with words like you but shared my thoughts of PE endings as it really disappointed me.
https://f95zone.to/threads/pineapple-express-v1-0-dimajio333.170275/post-14007604
In EtBA as far as I understand Emma started this path for Patrick but after some time or even before she just wants Martin and other man than her hubby. Dimajio333 Fmc are ready to explode from the beginning and corruption wise they just need very little push. I had read some cheating/hotwife stories from Amazon best sellers!! there the FMCs needed just 1-2 fuck they were like I need my hubby to understand I want this and he is cuck and shouldn't even touch me. Though Dimajio333 is better than that but as I told before and really feel is he really wants to write a unwilling cuck husband who slowly becomes a willing cuck with dick-cage and only happy when he knows his wife is screwing someone who is a stranger to him.
It's not about the FMC's corruption but corruption of hubby into cuck in his games I guess. If it's not forced cuck then there should be some love/affection and trying to understand each other along the way. If it's to create a character/story that people will discuss more due to the inconsistencies that he is doing a great job.
I know it's porn so we shouldn't look too deep or immerse ourselves, but it's the story that keeps us hooked to the AVN not only the renders or sex scenes I guess.
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Wow thanks, I am a graphic designer and wanted to learn 3d render for some time. And your explanation makes it so easy to understand what is happening. I actually like Dimajio333 because I think his stories has potential. But as psychedevil said
His build up never really gets into drama or any consequences specially for the FMC like most Western NTR. Only leads to rush cuck/humiliation endings or open relationship endings in most of his games.
After reading/playing so many stories/games I can feel what the writers kink is, where he really wanted to go. I guess anybody can feel it.
Like Azienda of Turning the Page really likes to write thousands of words. Once I was reading FMC Shophie's inner monologue & it took few minutes to read it but she thought it in few seconds I was like wow how powerful her brain processor must be. The Dev really digs Bull & FMC romance which he achieved to show fully in TtP his 3rd game.
HangoverCat really likes to destroy his MCs.
And Dimajio333 really wants to create drama to build up a willing cuck. But every time he forgets about the drama and use the FMCs to just to achieve it.
What makes his characters feel realistic to me is that they don't just act or speak; they seem to follow the results of pondering, 'What would I do in this situation?' Sure, he manipulates situations to make characters perform certain actions, and sometimes there might be excessive leaps, but he generally tries to adhere to this rule as much as possible. However, the problem is that all his main characters inevitably reflect himself. That's why I say all the characters in his games are his personas. And because all these personas are essentially the same, it's difficult to create external conflicts between characters. They only have internal conflicts. Of course, this isn't a big drawback when the theme is corruption.
He definitely has a cuckold fetish and is favorable to open relationships. So, his characters are generally favorable to open relationships and start with a cuckold fetish from the beginning, both the MC and the FMC. His games should be stories where couples, initially not into cuckold, gradually become cuckolds. However, because he is into cuckold, the couples act like people who are actually cuckolds, even if they don't realize it themselves. Expressing this subtly is another significant strength of his. Of course, there's a tendency to become cliché due to repetition in each game, but I think it's enough to make me feel he's an excellent developer.
He definitely has a cuckold fetish and is favorable to open relationships. So, his characters are generally favorable to open relationships and start with a cuckold fetish from the beginning, both the MC and the FMC. His games should be stories where couples, initially not into cuckold, gradually become cuckolds. However, because he is into cuckold, the couples act like people who are actually cuckolds, even if they don't realize it themselves. Expressing this subtly is another significant strength of his. Of course, there's a tendency to become cliché due to repetition in each game, but I think it's enough to make me feel he's an excellent developer.
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Yeah, that's how I see it too on the cuck path. What initially was supposed to be MC-driven becomes more FMC-driven. This is worse on the cheating path, where it becomes entirely FMC-driven and is without consent and concealed. If the MC continually reins Emma in from the start by pushing her to be more careful/modest at every turn, then there is a path where she only has sex with her husband, which of course is the most boring path (in part because there are no additional sex scenes with her husband to make up for the lack of sex scenes with Martin and no use of animations). Of all the paths, for me the altogether most consistent and satisfying one is the sharing path, despite my dislike of flipping Martin from a person of concern to a person of desire in relation to Emma in such short time.
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I agree to most of what you say. Only one thing I strongly disagree is his games aren't corruption focused. I am a corruption fan and I play all kinds of genre incest, harem, NTR, horror if there is corruption involved. Only tags I avoid is Male on Male, Futa on Male, Vore, Gore and Scat. So in corruption game internal conflict is what makes it more fun more spicy. I guess this is one aspect he lacks.
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Yeah but as there is no corruption for FMC (in any path to my opinion) I was digging the loveliness of the couple but the loveliness got ruined for me in the path where she was more focused on giving Martin a blowjob in their 1st 3some and getting pleasure from it than feeling her husband fucking her in the pussy and cumming in her. I think she orgasmed when he came in her mouth or something.
I've used this phrase before on this forum to describe his works as "about a cuckold couple who don't realize they're cuckolds, and find out who they really are." His games often feature a corruption meter. I use corruption because he uses it to describe the process of these couples discovering their true selves, not because it's a genre trait.
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I'm supposed to be dreaming, but I'm wide awake, questioning my existence.
I agree with you about that. I did not like when that happened either. Yes, during their first threesome Emma thought to herself that she orgasmed when Martin cummed in her mouth, to where she barely felt that her husband was cumming in her pussy. So you are right that regardless of the path involving sexual interaction with other men, Emma seems more interested in and excited by doing things with other men than her husband. However, I said that for me the sharing path was the most consistent and satisfying, not that it was entirely consistent/satisfying. I still have some issues with it, but it involves more sex scenes than the path where monogamy is maintained at the same time as actively involving the husband.
Unfortunately though, even on the sharing path, it is only when Emma is having sex with Martin that it includes animations; there is not a single instance of Emma having sex with her husband (regardless of path) where the sex between them includes animations. On the other hand, regardless of path, the sex between Emma and Martin includes animations, which gives the impression that it is the act itself of having sex with another man that is most exciting to Emma, not teasing or pleasing her husband in doing so (which is especially apparent on the cheating path). It's also another example of the developer's sexual preference or bias being expressed. I mean, damn, we could have gotten at least one sex scene between husband and wife that was animated, maybe the one where they finally had some privacy in Martin's home after the husband returned from his trip or when they had spontaneous sex in their apartment just prior to moving.