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KiichiYakuza

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That's perfectly fair criticism if I've ever seen it, the MC at the start was lawded like royalty which honestly felt empowering (he was an angel afterall), I mean from the female leads' perspectives he was handsome, had an otherworldly aura and a sense of innoncence that made them want to tease him about it which is okay on it's own, I can see how that can be endearing but some of them did indeed take it too far in that regard, just look at what Sora and Fuyumi tried doing. Some points in the story certainly felt rushed too when it came to the romance but like I've said a little earlier in this thread it was fine with me, the chemistry between the MC and the main girls felt natural about it, some on the other hand did seem forced and I won't deny that. I get that some of these women haven't seen or rather rarely see a man but it would help if the older and might I add more mature women could act a little their age and not start a cat fight with their daughter over some guy they just met (looking at you Rosa and Lily). And that subplot with Lily's vampirism and her interaction with her dad's killers was just awful, everything about that whole scene down to the MC himself was pure fucking awful. I've played this game three times and had to skip that whole interaction as a whole, I mean no disrespect to the dev either. I still very much enjoy the game and all but that was a mess in my opinion. That also brings up the competition with Sora, if I didn't know any better I would've thought that this game was missing the humiliation tag with how often the girls rub it in the MCs face when he lost the race. Didn't sit right with me at all. You'd think there wouldn't be a problem with a bit of smack talk and all and that's fair game all around but that whole sequence was also awful. There's being competitive and then there's being an outright asshole and every single one in that field was being that. It wasn't cute nor endearing at all but that wasn't what annoyed me either, it was the MCs lack of spine right then and there too. At some point I would've said enough was enough. So really I do get some of the frustration but I have alwasy kept in mind that this is the dev's first game, there's going to be some things that some of us won't like at the end of the day. Still I'll provide whatever support I can because if nothing else this game has massive potential and I really do wanna see through to the end of this game's journey. If Sin reads this, I really meant no disrespect, you've got amazing skills in story telling. I sincerely love this game and I hope you further grow in the future as a game developer. Cheers. :coffee:
I love this game but I can agree .. the whole race scene... was annoying to say the least.. most of his LIs were there and yet none of them bothered to tell him "look , she is faster than the speed of sound, you're going to lose, be prepared" or somethinig like that, they all kept their mouth shut or made fun of him/taunt him... I mean I get the "comedic" aspect of that scene but seriously?not one of them tried to help out MC, and yet until that time each and every one of them were " amagad I so love MC, he's like the greatest gift to mankind, omg omg omg I love him" ok... and yet y'all shutted the fuck up when you had a chance to you know.. HELP OUT YOUR SUPPOSEDLY LOVED ONE? , yea that scene really annoyed me , really bad.
but .. that is also the only scene that brought out rage from my side and a strong dislike for all LIs (at least in that scene) , otherwise the game is top notch.
EDIT : 13th Sin Games I read in another thread that a dev was going by the logic "anything can happen to MC , as long as at the end of the day he gets laid everything is cool."
EDIT 2 : I wasn't or better said I'm not implying that you are that dev, it was another dev to a .. shitty game .
 
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I'm not sure MC should use this quote in this instance
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I believe a hand needed to be chopped off for that quote :p , at least :p
Lmao, Ario made me do it... he and a couple others have been helping me a bit with screenwriting. I mean it could also fall under the Star Wars trope of at least one limb being severed XD.

I appreciate hearing all your guys' honest feedback. Good or bad, troll or not... it's still honest feedback in some shape or form. I do not; however, like it when rudeness is involved. You can be honest, but try to be respectful at the very least. I'll try to answer a few questions or concerns that have been addressed, though. In short, just please bear in mind... it is my first game/story.

Do certain relationships feel rushed or weird? Yeah, I can see that. Reading dialogue in a story is one thing, but actually writing it can be... awkward, especially during the spicy scenes. I mean I even had a few personally talk to me about some parts of the story that actually made them feel uncomfortable in some way. I went back and had to actually revise it a bit. I am by no means an expert in writing or storytelling, but at the same time, I'll try my best to provide you guys more... realistic dialogue in the future.

Do certain parts of the story not feel or sit right?
Yes, I can agree to that. As some of you may already know... nothing in this game is scripted...I I'm purely going of anything my brain pops out... no script, no set storyboard... just pure imagination. Sometimes that imagination may not play out the way I intended. I plan on remastering the game once Chapter III is completed... this may also include revising parts of the story, fleshing things out, maybe even extend other parts as well. For instance, Lily and Sora... could both their little arcs have done better? Absolutely. I know most of you don't agree with either of their outcomes, and I can respect and agree to some extent. Believe me, their were a few other outcomes that would have played out, but I chose those ones in particular. Without a set script/storyboard, tying evrything together, or at least attempt to, can be really challenging.

Why is the MC acting such a weeb?
Well, that may depend on the person that reads the story, lmao. But, to answer that question... he's essentially me, so to speak. I wanted him to react to things on how I would probably react, maybe have others feel like they can relate to him as well. Is it perfect? Fuck no, nothing ever is. But, that doesn't mean I'm not trying to make it better. 500 years old, acting like a beta, grown up on Elysium, pretty much did nothing but prepare his whole life to be a Guardian... the sight of boobs might do a number on someone, lol. He's slowly adapting to their world, but it may take some time still. But as I mentioned earlier, I plan on fleshing it out better in the future.

Shit's about to hit the fan, but characters are downplaying it. Why?
That one might be a tough one... it would probably went one of two ways... either have the MC do nothing but train, prepare, and spend very little time with the girls, or vice versa. I mean there may be other ways as well, but... in my opinion... I wanted him to be able to spend time with the girls, make them feel calm and happy, but knows that things are gonna get out of hand. Maybe some of the girls will help him face Zenera, and maybe some will help try to get people to safety before she arrives... I felt as if I wanted to have them feel safe knowing he will always be there for them.

I know that this may not answer everything, but I hope it does provide some better explanation for you guys. I can't say again how much I appreciate all of your guys' love, support, and feedback for the game. It's came a long way from the Prologue/Chapter I... hoping to provide you guys a wonderful story and game for days to come!
 

KiichiYakuza

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Lmao, Ario made me do it... he and a couple others have been helping me a bit with screenwriting. I mean it could also fall under the Star Wars trope of at least one limb being severed XD.

I appreciate hearing all your guys' honest feedback. Good or bad, troll or not... it's still honest feedback in some shape or form. I do not; however, like it when rudeness is involved. You can be honest, but try to be respectful at the very least. I'll try to answer a few questions or concerns that have been addressed, though. In short, just please bear in mind... it is my first game/story.

Do certain relationships feel rushed or weird? Yeah, I can see that. Reading dialogue in a story is one thing, but actually writing it can be... awkward, especially during the spicy scenes. I mean I even had a few personally talk to me about some parts of the story that actually made them feel uncomfortable in some way. I went back and had to actually revise it a bit. I am by no means an expert in writing or storytelling, but at the same time, I'll try my best to provide you guys more... realistic dialogue in the future.

Do certain parts of the story not feel or sit right?
Yes, I can agree to that. As some of you may already know... nothing in this game is scripted...I I'm purely going of anything my brain pops out... no script, no set storyboard... just pure imagination. Sometimes that imagination may not play out the way I intended. I plan on remastering the game once Chapter III is completed... this may also include revising parts of the story, fleshing things out, maybe even extend other parts as well. For instance, Lily and Sora... could both their little arcs have done better? Absolutely. I know most of you don't agree with either of their outcomes, and I can respect and agree to some extent. Believe me, their were a few other outcomes that would have played out, but I chose those ones in particular. Without a set script/storyboard, tying evrything together, or at least attempt to, can be really challenging.

Why is the MC acting such a weeb?
Well, that may depend on the person that reads the story, lmao. But, to answer that question... he's essentially me, so to speak. I wanted him to react to things on how I would probably react, maybe have others feel like they can relate to him as well. Is it perfect? Fuck no, nothing ever is. But, that doesn't mean I'm not trying to make it better. 500 years old, acting like a beta, grown up on Elysium, pretty much did nothing but prepare his whole life to be a Guardian... the sight of boobs might do a number on someone, lol. He's slowly adapting to their world, but it may take some time still. But as I mentioned earlier, I plan on fleshing it out better in the future.

Shit's about to hit the fan, but characters are downplaying it. Why?
That one might be a tough one... it would probably went one of two ways... either have the MC do nothing but train, prepare, and spend very little time with the girls, or vice versa. I mean there may be other ways as well, but... in my opinion... I wanted him to be able to spend time with the girls, make them feel calm and happy, but knows that things are gonna get out of hand. Maybe some of the girls will help him face Zenera, and maybe some will help try to get people to safety before she arrives... I felt as if I wanted to have them feel safe knowing he will always be there for them.

I know that this may not answer everything, but I hope it does provide some better explanation for you guys. I can't say again how much I appreciate all of your guys' love, support, and feedback for the game. It's came a long way from the Prologue/Chapter I... hoping to provide you guys a wonderful story and game for days to come!
nah , the biggest annoyance I've had with this VN is just that one particular scene.
the whole VN everyone says how much they love MC , which I like quite a bit, it does make me feel good reading that type of thing but then.. when push comes to shove... they all keep their mouth shut.. none of them try to help out in some way.. actually if I remember correctly they go the other way even.. they kinda mock him , sure we may call it teasing but .. looking at the situation it feels a lot more in tone with mocking than friendly teasing.
Since I know there is no chance in hell he is faster ..and I "tease" him .. it's kinda borderline cruel.
that was and actually still is my biggest complaint...
you can't say daily "oh how much I love MC, he's so awesome, he's God's greatest gift to humanity etc etc." and then just laugh at him...
 
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While I have ultimately enjoyed the game, and mostly have enjoyed the protagonist and the LIs overall, I want to also agree with some of the issues. (I suck at names, so bare with me)

I know this is beating a dead horse at this point, but I still wanna add in my opinion on this as well. Basically; I agree.

The protagonist is supposed to be rather powerful. Not only does the story portray Angels as a superior race to humans and Beastkin(?) but he is supposed to be a Guardian, the elite among the Angels and he may or may not be the son of the most powerful Angel and most powerful Abyssal. In theory, he should be this incredibly powerful 500 year old badass! Instead he comes across as a naive, sometimes egotistical and sometimes coward, teenager. I understand losing to the Giant Chick, but the Vampire? Dropping his sword? A bit much....

Plus, the manipulation and humiliation is very much a thing. He quickly went from this awe inspiring other worldly being to everyone's favorite punching bag, whipping boy and sex toy almost instantly. From being unable to resist to the point of fear when it comes to the Fox Mom, to being manipulated and abused by the Generic Four. This isn't even taking into consideration the excessive amount of ribbing the girls pull on the protagonist or the sort of aura the protagonist seemed to give off in the beginning of the story which caused everyone from teachers, students, androids, zombies and even random bystanders to become borderline obsessed with the protag.
 

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I just started playing game but stopped at "After Beach Kiss Scene" where mother and daughter fighting each other. Game overall looks and reads great but, there is serious problem with pacing. Way this two acted felt like MC lived with them 1-2 Month and not 24 Hours. From what I read in comments game really needs some serious rework..
 

chainedpanda

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I just started playing game but stopped at "After Beach Kiss Scene" where mother and daughter fighting each other. Game overall looks and reads great but, there is serious problem with pacing. Way this two acted felt like MC lived with them 1-2 Month and not 24 Hours. From what I read in comments game really needs some serious rework..
Since my reply is likely one of the ones which influenced your opinion, I just wanted to chime in. This game is by no means bad. While there are indeed some rough patches throughout, the game is solid and I did enjoy my time with it. Since we have all likely played more adult games than we care to keep track of, this is by no means an outlier.

As for the pacing issues, while I do see where your coming from, I don't see it as much of an issue. Due to the setting and overall story, the pacing actually makes a bit of sense. Unless the main plot is changed in such a way that certain events take longer to play out, than there is very little helping the pacing of the love interests. Which, imo, is unnecessary. As the main story is actually pretty good overall, although the overall longevity of it could come into question.

The issue myself and others have criticized has been the consistency of the interactions between the protagonist and the LIs. Or, more so how the protagonist is portrayed and how the LIs interact with the protagonist. While the vast majority of scenes are fine, if not good, even the few scenes which are raising questions likely wouldn't effect anyone who is just casually reading or looking for porn. All in all, we are just paying attention a little too close and nitpicking.

As for a rework? I'm not convinced it's entirely needed even if I would like to see it. As mentioned, the game is good enough as is, but I do think it could be better if given a bit more thought or planning. This game is far from unplayable, and is honestly better than many of the more "popular" games on the site. Certainly top 10 harem games in active development.
 

Antera

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Since my reply is likely one of the ones which influenced your opinion, I just wanted to chime in. This game is by no means bad. While there are indeed some rough patches throughout, the game is solid and I did enjoy my time with it. Since we have all likely played more adult games than we care to keep track of, this is by no means an outlier.

As for the pacing issues, while I do see where your coming from, I don't see it as much of an issue. Due to the setting and overall story, the pacing actually makes a bit of sense. Unless the main plot is changed in such a way that certain events take longer to play out, than there is very little helping the pacing of the love interests. Which, imo, is unnecessary. As the main story is actually pretty good overall, although the overall longevity of it could come into question.

The issue myself and others have criticized has been the consistency of the interactions between the protagonist and the LIs. Or, more so how the protagonist is portrayed and how the LIs interact with the protagonist. While the vast majority of scenes are fine, if not good, even the few scenes which are raising questions likely wouldn't effect anyone who is just casually reading or looking for porn. All in all, we are just paying attention a little too close and nitpicking.

As for a rework? I'm not convinced it's entirely needed even if I would like to see it. As mentioned, the game is good enough as is, but I do think it could be better if given a bit more thought or planning. This game is far from unplayable, and is honestly better than many of the more "popular" games on the site. Certainly top 10 harem games in active development.
Since I really get into story more then just mindless porn. I will hate bad and inconsistence interactions.. Just gonna wait few more updates and see where will game go..
 

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I've decided to take a short break from developing the game... just... wanting to clear my mind on some things. I'll still be in my Discord, talking and what not... but, I just need a minute to take a step back and reflect on some things. It'll be no more than a week long, might be a little shorter than even that. But, I at least need a few days to myself... to calm my mind, I guess you can say.

It might delay the release of the next update, and I apologize for any inconvenience this might cause for some. I'm extremely sorry if this is the case. I know I kept saying I'd work on it, and I have been getting back into the swing of things, but this time I gotta step away.

I want to thank all of you guys that have joined in, stuck around, or even left. Regardless, you guys are awesome, and I couldn't have gotten this far without you. To everyone that has supported the game... you guys are unremarkable heroes. You didn't have to support it, as it's optional, but you chose to anyway... and I can't thank you guys enough. Don't worry... the game will still be worked on soon enough...

Until then... you all stay heroes...

Sincerely,

13th Sin Games

P.S.: Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise?
 

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I've decided to take a short break from developing the game... just... wanting to clear my mind on some things. I'll still be in my Discord, talking and what not... but, I just need a minute to take a step back and reflect on some things. It'll be no more than a week long, might be a little shorter than even that. But, I at least need a few days to myself... to calm my mind, I guess you can say.

It might delay the release of the next update, and I apologize for any inconvenience this might cause for some. I'm extremely sorry if this is the case. I know I kept saying I'd work on it, and I have been getting back into the swing of things, but this time I gotta step away.

I want to thank all of you guys that have joined in, stuck around, or even left. Regardless, you guys are awesome, and I couldn't have gotten this far without you. To everyone that has supported the game... you guys are unremarkable heroes. You didn't have to support it, as it's optional, but you chose to anyway... and I can't thank you guys enough. Don't worry... the game will still be worked on soon enough...

Until then... you all stay heroes...

Sincerely,

13th Sin Games

P.S.: Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise?
Fuck the haters. Enjoy your time. Just DO COME BACK! :)
 

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I've decided to take a short break from developing the game... just... wanting to clear my mind on some things. I'll still be in my Discord, talking and what not... but, I just need a minute to take a step back and reflect on some things. It'll be no more than a week long, might be a little shorter than even that. But, I at least need a few days to myself... to calm my mind, I guess you can say.

It might delay the release of the next update, and I apologize for any inconvenience this might cause for some. I'm extremely sorry if this is the case. I know I kept saying I'd work on it, and I have been getting back into the swing of things, but this time I gotta step away.

I want to thank all of you guys that have joined in, stuck around, or even left. Regardless, you guys are awesome, and I couldn't have gotten this far without you. To everyone that has supported the game... you guys are unremarkable heroes. You didn't have to support it, as it's optional, but you chose to anyway... and I can't thank you guys enough. Don't worry... the game will still be worked on soon enough...

Until then... you all stay heroes...

Sincerely,

13th Sin Games

P.S.: Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise?
Enjoy your break. Take the time you need.
 
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Brady2626

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Just got into this game and it is pretty good some of the relationships seem a little rushed and i think that may be in part due to this time limit the dev set for himself but it's been pretty good definitely better than most devs first game. really love some of the characters but i feel maybe in the next game it would be best to make the main cast a bit smaller or just give us more time with each girl. Feels like some girls get a lot of development then just left alone for a while.
 
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Bob Jared

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I'm confused. Yuki is talking about the MC's scar and then Sora suddenly jumps to the middle of a completely different conversation. Is there like a paragraph of dialogue missing or something?
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Now that I am fully caught up with this, I can say with confidence that Sinavera is best girl. The design, personality and whole "starts out antagonistic but is slowly won over" thing all strongly appeal to my tastes.

Even if I ignore all of that though, she would still be best girl by default due to her romantic development feeling more natural than almost all the others combined.
 
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