VN Ren'Py Fall of the Angels [v0.0.3] [13th Sin Games]

[Shenhan]

You may not believe me on this, but I actually wanted to show a lot more fights, or extend the fights, lol. But, I was having an internal battle of either cutting them out for the time being and releasing what I have now... or add them in, but push the game back even more... probably chosen poorly. I honestly wouldn't know.

Yeah, I believe you. That is very much going to be a 'stuck between a rock and hard place' situation. You probably made the better choice, people value content more than action, and being able to put them in at a later date means you can expand the game exponentially down the line and make forced replay actually worth the effort for the player.

 

[Tiur]

Ohhhhhhhh, those??? Yeah, no... I can completely agree with you on the amount of ellipses used, lmao. I will definitely be removing a lot of them in the future, and will do better as well, lol. Essentially, learning from my mistakes, and making improvements where needed.

The complaint being made wasn't about the ellipses, it's about the pauses put in after each ellipsis, which forces people to click to get another couple words of the same single line of dialogue, sometimes multiple times. I think those are done with the Ren'Py {w} tag inside the dialogue line? Anyway, ellipses are fine if the characters should talk like that, but having to click more than once for a single line of dialogue is almost invariably bad UX, and if you're using it for effect, it should only be used very sparingly.

 

[13th Sin Games]

The complaint being made wasn't about the ellipses, it's about the pauses put in after each ellipsis, which forces people to click to get another couple words of the same single line of dialogue, sometimes multiple times. I think those are done with the Ren'Py {w} tag inside the dialogue line? Anyway, ellipses are fine if the characters should talk like that, but having to click more than once for a single line of dialogue is almost invariably bad UX, and if you're using it for effect, it should only be used very sparingly.

True, lol. I think there's a bit too much {w} going on... just a little bit XD. I've actually noticed it too and it kind of bugged me a little as well, but my mindset was still stuck on using them that I kinda just went with it, lol. I'll be sure to work and use them more sparingly!

 

[SpecterX]

Is it worth playing this release since the game is being remade anyway?
Or will the remake won't change the current story and just add things?

 

[Damien112]

Is it worth playing this release since the game is being remade anyway?
Or will the remake won't change the current story and just add things?

I think some stuff was cut so it could be released now, the remake is gonna contain new stuff added as well and some things will also be redone so I'd say that you should wait for the revamps since you are gonna have to start from the beginning to get all the cu stuff anyway. I'm gonna wait for the remake and just play it then since I don't wanna have to replay it multiple times.

 

[13th Sin Games]

Is it worth playing this release since the game is being remade anyway?
Or will the remake won't change the current story and just add things?

I think some stuff was cut so it could be released now, the remake is gonna contain new stuff added as well and some things will also be redone so I'd say that you should wait for the revamps since you are gonna have to start from the beginning to get all the cu stuff anyway. I'm gonna wait for the remake and just play it then since I don't wanna have to replay it multiple times.

I understand the hesitation since the game's gonna be remade, which I've stated before that not many would be too keen with the idea. But... I would still recommend playing it once, and then when the Remake happens, you can see what all is different compared to the current version, lol. Kinda like a before-and-after ordeal.

 

[Sinisterheat]

Just finished the updated story and I was floored. Way to leave the story there, man lol. Build up suspense for the next bit. Looking forward to the remake to see the new changes, but take your time so it isn't rushed. People may object, but there are other "games" on here to help them wait for it. Can't rush perfection. Haters gonna hate. But the folks who love a good story before the porn, they'll appreciate it, like myself lol. I'm just one opinion here, but everything was good in my eyes. But if you, the dev, says it can be better, then I (as well as others) greatly look forward to it. It's rare I comment on stuff unless something is so good to make me lol.

 

[LostGhost]

there is no option to kill zenera?

no i dont care about her circumstances the main villain and her can die for all i care

then the rest of good girls will remain.

Shut up dude you don't kill best character/girl out there

 

[S1nsational]

Has this thread always been so toxic? Just added four new idiots to me ignore list

 

[AzureArbitrator]

Have to say I enjoyed the release up until the end.
There were problems with shoehorning new characters right at the death and issues with the constant jump around of scenes during major plot points but I could honestly live with that.

The part that I couldn't was

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Don't get me wrong the earlier parts of the story had issues but I could get through that, however, for this I honestly don't know.
I guess I'll find out once the remake starts to drop versions.

It is what it is though, best of luck for it.

 

[S1nsational]

Have to say I enjoyed the release up until the end.
There were problems with shoehorning new characters right at the death and issues with the constant jump around of scenes during major plot points but I could honestly live with that.

The part that I couldn't was

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Don't get me wrong the earlier parts of the story had issues but I could get through that, however, for this I honestly don't know.
I guess I'll find out once the remake starts to drop versions.

It is what it is though, best of luck for it.

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It's all a reference to this.

I have confidence it'll all work out in the end and be enjoyable as it does.

Also, people should really think more before complaining about "cliches", cliches and tropes exsist for a reason, and that reason is that they work. People like them. The important thing is how they're executed.

Giving a girl you like flowers is one of the oldest and best know cliches, doesn't mean girls don't like getting flowers.

The majority of games on this website, and games in general heavily rely on the trope and cliches of their genres.
Health and red, and Magic is blue.

Defying tropes and cliches just for the sake of it, without anything better, and there's nothing ever unique, is just stupid.

 

[AzureArbitrator]

I have confidence it'll all work out in the end and be enjoyable as it does.

That's the difference, you have the confidence whereas currently, I'm unsure.

Again, I'm willing to wait and see.

Also, people should really think more before complaining about "cliches", cliches and tropes exist for a reason, and that reason is that they work. People like them. The important thing is how they're executed.

That's my complaint, I didn't feel that it was executed properly. Not about Cliches in general, everything has been used once before and that wasn't the point of the statement. It is just coming across as contrived in order to create suspense and particular feelings for the next stage. It honestly didn't feel like a natural flow of the story to me.

Anyway, it was not an attack on the dev or whoever wrote that piece.
I'm just stating that I personally didn't get enjoyment out of that side of the ending whereas other sections of it were good.

Final note, that dude wishes he could be the Illusive man. More like his secretary.

 

[Pushpa Gotama]

Shut up dude you don't kill best character/girl out there

zenera needs to die

13th Sin Games dev, give option to kill zenera

her death is literally the culmination that will lead to peace of mind to everyone including the girls with the MC

you started the game showing her that she needs to die

give us that option

after that then go deal with the next mastermind she doesnt need to be anything else past someone that MC and girls needs to past as trial

letting her appear in further updates is just dumb, she needs to die.

 

[AzureArbitrator]

zenera needs to die

13th Sin Games dev, give option to kill zenera

her death is literally the culmination that will lead to peace of mind to everyone including the girls with the MC

you started the game showing her that she needs to die

give us that option

after that then go deal with the next mastermind she doesn't need to be anything else past someone that MC and girls need to get past as a trial

letting her appear in further updates is just dumb, she needs to die.

It seems Zenera was written into a corner that 13 struggled to write himself out of properly, I think he did okay with it but some of the reasons were a bit flimsy, others made sense but yeah.

All in all though, no.
Why should she die? What would be the point? What would anyone outside of her family gain out of it? Even then, their motives changed after the reveal.

Just doing a choice to go "lol, fuck you bitch" would honestly ruin it.
At least to me.

 

[S1nsational]

It seems Zenera was written into a corner that 13 struggled to write himself out properly, I think he did okay with it but some of the reasons were a bit flimsy, others made sense but yeah.

All in all though, no.
Why should she die? What would be the point? What would anyone outside of her family gain out of it? Even then, their motives changed after the reveal.

Just doing a choice to go "lol, fuck you bitch" would honestly ruin it.
At least to me.

I think Zenera was written pretty well, not perfectly, but pretty well. More so than herself, I think things surronding her could be handled somewhat better.

But yea, if Zenera needs to die, so do like half the immortals including MC.

 

[LostGhost]

zenera needs to die

13th Sin Games dev, give option to kill zenera

her death is literally the culmination that will lead to peace of mind to everyone including the girls with the MC

you started the game showing her that she needs to die

give us that option

after that then go deal with the next mastermind she doesnt need to be anything else past someone that MC and girls needs to past as trial

letting her appear in further updates is just dumb, she needs to die.

Why do you so obsessed with killing her? I like her character you know yo 13 if you see this don't hear him she was voted in discord I'm only playing this for one on one confrontation between her and MC killing her would be dumbest idea

 

[DarkTao]

honestly I would just ignore Pushpa. No one with such inflammatory takes needs to be given even the smallest amount of our time.
I'm not even sure they played the last chapter at all to have such a bad take on Zenera, so they either never read it or don't even care and are trying to start shit. on top of that anyone that has such an ego to DEMAND that a game developer and storyteller make changes to their own story that they "think" (I use that word loosely) will make it better are not even worth the time and breath it takes to tell them to piss off.

Dear 13th Sin Games. Story is good, characters are good, memes are good. Keep up the good work, excited to see what you make in the future.

 

[molitar]

OK game seems to have a bug in it. I selected walkthrough mode but Sinavera Events 2 and 3 are missing.

 

[Bob Afet]

incest tag? which type of incest this game has?

 

[S1nsational]

incest tag? which type of incest this game has?

Currently: twin sister, niece. (there's also a threesome with a mother and daughter who aren't related to MC)
Future: younger sister, mom. (probably more unrelated incest threesomes etc)

Some people see the incest coming, others don't, so you might not want to click the spoilers. No character names named, but it's easy to put 2 and 2 together once you have the dynamics