RPGM Completed Fallen Priestess: My Sister's Demonic Bloodline [v1.0.4] [BBQ Lover]

[Pantavloump]

hi, i'll start by saying that i'm not a fan of ntr, but it doesn't mean that i'm that kind of person that say things like " ntr sucks, you cucks" etc etc.
i didn't play previous game but from what i read it seems good if you like ntr instead this seems criticized for its ntr content and i was wondering why.
Bland ntr ? few ntr event in a game that shouldbe full ntr ?
if you say that this game is built to fund the other one shouldn't dev make a game that should please both sides ntr/vanilla fans ?
i mean, you have everything: context ( sister curse), good fc etc etc why can't let player decide how story will go buy gameplay/story choiches , exp: full corruption route, full vanilla and a mix of both.
Maybe development would require more time but surely it would mean more income since you take a bigger audience.
i don't want to create flame or else, just curious about your ( ntr fan) point of view

Interesting perspective!
I'm not an ntr connoisseur or have any form of qualifications to judge porn games(or any games at all) so take what I say with skepticism.

TLDR; Nebel is more stimulating and you feel more accomplishment/guilt. Priestess game feels like just another ntr game and there's dissapointment because we've seen BBQ create great things with nebel.

My(and many other people's) criticism towards the game compared to nebelgeister is the stance the main character takes. In nebelgeister the heroine is fully independent and we the player are supposed to try and find Kana before she get's molested in order to stay on the pure love route. Moreover nebel had a well developed time system and you had a certain number of moves to find Kana. Moreover in the dungeons(cuz part of the game is exploring haunted locations) there's also a time system AND a heartbeat tracker letting you know(in real time!) when Kana is feeling strong emotions(either when fighting a powerful enemy or when she's getting molested) and you are able to intervene(also in real time) by calling the heroine.

Compared to this, in the priestess game Trina is with you almost at all times(which drastically decreases the likelihood of ntr events since she has no independence and is just attached to you). The night events just cannot be interacted with and you're only able to see the result(which like a previous post said effectively just makes this like a scene collector). You are to a certain degree able to stay on the pure love route by providing Trina with your mana but it just feels boring, unlike nebel you don't get the sense of accomplishment from saving Trina from sticky situations(which you do get with kana) so for pure love it also doesn't work extremely well. All in all, I can't say that the prietess game is very different from most ntr games on the market with maybe another step?(being that you don't see the H scene right away and can only watch it later)

I would like to reiterate that I have absolutely no knowledge in psychology whatsoever and this is all based on speculation but from my pov as someone who enjoys all forms of porn games(ntr or not) NTR fans who get off to their heroines becoming someone else's like the guilt that comes with failing to protect their loved one or/and the feeling of betrayal. Nebel did this very well because we have the ability to protect Kana but we might fail. Fallen priestess however doesn't have that, we either do one very monotonous thing and Trina never has to leave the house at night or we don't do anything and she goes out at night. It lacks stimulation and overall I don't feel very strong emotions when playing the game.

if you say that this game is built to fund the other one shouldn't dev make a game that should please both sides ntr/vanilla fans ?

i mean, you have everything: context ( sister curse), good fc etc etc why can't let player decide how story will go buy gameplay/story choiches , exp: full corruption route, full vanilla and a mix of both.
Maybe development would require more time but surely it would mean more income since you take a bigger audience.

BBQ's signature is kinda just ntr games, the guy HAS to make ntr games it's his calling or smth so the priestess game is going to be mainly just ntr. I too would agree that adding more vanilla stuff would make the game more accessible but the dev is already having issues finishing the game as is, making them add more content might actually drive them to madness.
Also there's just a time constraint, yes we all mostly agree that if the dev put in a bit more work even if the mechanics aren't perfect the game is at the very least going to be pretty good. However my understanding is that BBQ isn't exactly swimming in money and sort of needs funding to continue his fps game-> Just a theory but if the funding is insufficient, the team might disband or put the project on hold, once its put on hold its gonna take an ungodly amount of time to get everyone back on track which is just disadvantageous, BBQ would rather have this game flunk a bit but still bring in money than let the FPS game get off track(partially because from BBQ's and our point of view the FPS game might as well be the first of it's kind, like WOW a fps game that's also ntr).

 

[Pantavloump]

thank you much, btw do you also know if the 4th edgar scene is locked? because i think i've tried almost all option at this point

The 4th edgar H scene is still locked, BBQ probably doesnt have the intention to let us see it in the demo, we're gonna have to wait for the full game.

 

[MTCF]

The 4th edgar H scene is still locked, BBQ probably doesnt have the intention to let us see it in the demo, we're gonna have to wait for the full game.

Atm who has scenes from the "named cast" in the demo? Only edgar and the prince?

 

[Pantavloump]

Atm who has scenes from the "named cast" in the demo? Only edgar and the prince?

Edgar, the prince, harold(i think?), rick(2 scenes), and we've met joshua but no scenes with him.
I honestly can't see any of them other than the prince as primary cast members since they appear here and there but dont really have a route to themselves in the demo as of now.

 

[kilr0y99]

u have to buy from him before inn quest

Thanks a lot. I'll have to retry. Got it. Its right at the start of the game and you're right, he only sells it at midday. Really small window to complete this quest.

Now all I have to is find the weird metal ore to complete Grandma's sword and work out how to do the main quest potion (I think it needs a special liquor).

 

[kiava]

Interesting perspective!
I'm not an ntr connoisseur or have any form of qualifications to judge porn games(or any games at all) so take what I say with skepticism.

TLDR; Nebel is more stimulating and you feel more accomplishment/guilt. Priestess game feels like just another ntr game and there's dissapointment because we've seen BBQ create great things with nebel.

My(and many other people's) criticism towards the game compared to nebelgeister is the stance the main character takes. In nebelgeister the heroine is fully independent and we the player are supposed to try and find Kana before she get's molested in order to stay on the pure love route. Moreover nebel had a well developed time system and you had a certain number of moves to find Kana. Moreover in the dungeons(cuz part of the game is exploring haunted locations) there's also a time system AND a heartbeat tracker letting you know(in real time!) when Kana is feeling strong emotions(either when fighting a powerful enemy or when she's getting molested) and you are able to intervene(also in real time) by calling the heroine.

Compared to this, in the priestess game Trina is with you almost at all times(which drastically decreases the likelihood of ntr events since she has no independence and is just attached to you). The night events just cannot be interacted with and you're only able to see the result(which like a previous post said effectively just makes this like a scene collector). You are to a certain degree able to stay on the pure love route by providing Trina with your mana but it just feels boring, unlike nebel you don't get the sense of accomplishment from saving Trina from sticky situations(which you do get with kana) so for pure love it also doesn't work extremely well. All in all, I can't say that the prietess game is very different from most ntr games on the market with maybe another step?(being that you don't see the H scene right away and can only watch it later)

I would like to reiterate that I have absolutely no knowledge in psychology whatsoever and this is all based on speculation but from my pov as someone who enjoys all forms of porn games(ntr or not) NTR fans who get off to their heroines becoming someone else's like the guilt that comes with failing to protect their loved one or/and the feeling of betrayal. Nebel did this very well because we have the ability to protect Kana but we might fail. Fallen priestess however doesn't have that, we either do one very monotonous thing and Trina never has to leave the house at night or we don't do anything and she goes out at night. It lacks stimulation and overall I don't feel very strong emotions when playing the game.




BBQ's signature is kinda just ntr games, the guy HAS to make ntr games it's his calling or smth so the priestess game is going to be mainly just ntr. I too would agree that adding more vanilla stuff would make the game more accessible but the dev is already having issues finishing the game as is, making them add more content might actually drive them to madness.
Also there's just a time constraint, yes we all mostly agree that if the dev put in a bit more work even if the mechanics aren't perfect the game is at the very least going to be pretty good. However my understanding is that BBQ isn't exactly swimming in money and sort of needs funding to continue his fps game-> Just a theory but if the funding is insufficient, the team might disband or put the project on hold, once its put on hold its gonna take an ungodly amount of time to get everyone back on track which is just disadvantageous, BBQ would rather have this game flunk a bit but still bring in money than let the FPS game get off track(partially because from BBQ's and our point of view the FPS game might as well be the first of it's kind, like WOW a fps game that's also ntr).

yeah don't worry we're just expressing opinions not facts so ty for sharing your pov.
About BBQ statement it's a shame, i mean i understand that they focus on ntr and its their thing but i think it's restricting, in this case, bc if i understand correctly this game as it is now it seems like " not meat nor fish" ( it's a proverb from where i live ) so the risk to not please even ntr fans is high.

 

[tarosky]

Thanks a lot. I'll have to retry. Got it. Its right at the start of the game and you're right, he only sells it at midday. Really small window to complete this quest.

Now all I have to is find the weird metal ore to complete Grandma's sword and work out how to do the main quest potion (I think it needs a special liquor).

metal is rare drop at mine gathering point (i reset many time)

 

[kilr0y99]

metal is rare drop at mine gathering point (i reset many time)

Thank you. I knew about the mine gathering point but didn't know it was the spot. Got it now.

 

[TiredMiddleAgedMan]

hi, i'll start by saying that i'm not a fan of ntr, but it doesn't mean that i'm that kind of person that say things like " ntr sucks, you cucks" etc etc.
i didn't play previous game but from what i read it seems good if you like ntr instead this seems criticized for its ntr content and i was wondering why.
Bland ntr ? few ntr event in a game that shouldbe full ntr ?
if you say that this game is built to fund the other one shouldn't dev make a game that should please both sides ntr/vanilla fans ?
i mean, you have everything: context ( sister curse), good fc etc etc why can't let player decide how story will go buy gameplay/story choiches , exp: full corruption route, full vanilla and a mix of both.
Maybe development would require more time but surely it would mean more income since you take a bigger audience.
i don't want to create flame or else, just curious about your ( ntr fan) point of view

Oh, I was talking about just the NTR side. To be honest, I'm 100% up for vanilla routes or "saved from NTR" endings. That does add a very good "You could save her, but you fucked up" situation, which makes NTR better. Also, playing the pure route and then playing the NTR route doubles the playtime, and seeing "how they were happy" in the pure route, only to have it corrupted in the NTR route, is also good.


What I was complaining about is NTR scenes. Old games are hard NTR, so if you're a vanilla fan, I wouldn’t recommend them. They do have "happy endings," but it’s still NTR — just without a full fall, so your girl gets a lot of attention, but not from you. Still, you save her just before she falls completely.


The problem is the NTR part in his old games. Let me give an example. In the second game, the concept is you have a succubus companion who makes you enter a "no cum challenge" for 7 days against a bull. Normally, the first one who cums in these challenges loses and is punished. In front of the succubus, she says you shouldn’t cum at all, but in reality, you should not cum in the actual game, which happens every night (which, if you're into ASMR, is very high-quality stuff). But the bull doesn’t care and tries to fuck your girl every day, and you must find a way to interrupt him.


Okay, I swayed a little. Normally, during the day, you can explore the village, and if you did not stop the bull that day, you could see him fucking someone — but you never see who he is fucking; you just hear voices. For example, he gets a BJ at a window as you ask him, "Did you see my girl?" That kind of thing. Now, the "implication" is very strong here. You, as the player, know it, but the MC does not. It’s kind of the same with the third game as well. You hear voices over the "telephone" or see blurry camera recordings, but you never see clearly.


I know this is a little too long, and I don’t know if you're still reading, but the point is you never control the FMC, ever. You never see from her viewpoint until the end of the game. That is the most important thing for these kinds of NTR games because if you can control her, it's like you are her pimp. As it's an "NTR" game, you’re just bringing her around to get fucked by people. That kills the game's mood at 999% speed and makes the story irrelevant as it just turns into a CG collecting game.


Yes, I know I ranted again, but it really did make me mad. This year's NTR and NTS stuff is so bad I can't even begin. We're getting "more" games, but 90% of them are absolute trash. So seeing BBQ’s work like this is very heartbreaking. It's like Rockstar releases GTA VI, but it’s a linear game instead of open-world. You would feel bad, right? It's kind of like that for me.

 

[Zekken018]

anyone have full save for new update?

 

[Pantavloump]

I know this is a little too long, and I don’t know if you're still reading, but the point is you never control the FMC, ever. You never see from her viewpoint until the end of the game. That is the most important thing for these kinds of NTR games because if you can control her, it's like you are her pimp. As it's an "NTR" game, you’re just bringing her around to get fucked by people. That kills the game's mood at 999% speed and makes the story irrelevant as it just turns into a CG collecting game.

Yeah that was somewhat my complaint as well. I don't care THAAT much but the experience is a lot less immersive and stimulating when you don't have much you can do + a lot of the ntr in itself is just after the fact with little interactiveness and that's my complaint ig.

BBQ did his previous games well because you don't control the heroine, there's no sense of certainty or reassurance because you're not in control.

Anw just wanted to say I agree with you

 

[kiava]

Oh, I was talking about just the NTR side. To be honest, I'm 100% up for vanilla routes or "saved from NTR" endings. That does add a very good "You could save her, but you fucked up" situation, which makes NTR better. Also, playing the pure route and then playing the NTR route doubles the playtime, and seeing "how they were happy" in the pure route, only to have it corrupted in the NTR route, is also good.


What I was complaining about is NTR scenes. Old games are hard NTR, so if you're a vanilla fan, I wouldn’t recommend them. They do have "happy endings," but it’s still NTR — just without a full fall, so your girl gets a lot of attention, but not from you. Still, you save her just before she falls completely.


The problem is the NTR part in his old games. Let me give an example. In the second game, the concept is you have a succubus companion who makes you enter a "no cum challenge" for 7 days against a bull. Normally, the first one who cums in these challenges loses and is punished. In front of the succubus, she says you shouldn’t cum at all, but in reality, you should not cum in the actual game, which happens every night (which, if you're into ASMR, is very high-quality stuff). But the bull doesn’t care and tries to fuck your girl every day, and you must find a way to interrupt him.


Okay, I swayed a little. Normally, during the day, you can explore the village, and if you did not stop the bull that day, you could see him fucking someone — but you never see who he is fucking; you just hear voices. For example, he gets a BJ at a window as you ask him, "Did you see my girl?" That kind of thing. Now, the "implication" is very strong here. You, as the player, know it, but the MC does not. It’s kind of the same with the third game as well. You hear voices over the "telephone" or see blurry camera recordings, but you never see clearly.


I know this is a little too long, and I don’t know if you're still reading, but the point is you never control the FMC, ever. You never see from her viewpoint until the end of the game. That is the most important thing for these kinds of NTR games because if you can control her, it's like you are her pimp. As it's an "NTR" game, you’re just bringing her around to get fucked by people. That kills the game's mood at 999% speed and makes the story irrelevant as it just turns into a CG collecting game.


Yes, I know I ranted again, but it really did make me mad. This year's NTR and NTS stuff is so bad I can't even begin. We're getting "more" games, but 90% of them are absolute trash. So seeing BBQ’s work like this is very heartbreaking. It's like Rockstar releases GTA VI, but it’s a linear game instead of open-world. You would feel bad, right? It's kind of like that for me.

don't worry man, appreciated your pow.
I think i played the game you mentioned with the succubus,but just a bit bc i found it wasn't my thing, i understand what you mean if fact as i said, for me, one thing should't exclude the other, you could have both vanilla and full ntr route, bc if you think about it the story is already there for both routes but judging by your comments we won't see a vanilla route, just some scenes

 

[OVYA]

anyone have newest update?

 

[Pantavloump]

anyone have newest update?

If you want the latest english version(demo 0.432): https://f95zone.to/threads/fallen-p...loodine-v0-402-bbq-lover.235982/post-17455871

For the latest version which is in chinese (demo 0.503) :https://f95zone.to/threads/fallen-p...loodine-v0-402-bbq-lover.235982/post-17558060

 

[Pantavloump]

don't worry man, appreciated your pow.
I think i played the game you mentioned with the succubus,but just a bit bc i found it wasn't my thing, i understand what you mean if fact as i said, for me, one thing should't exclude the other, you could have both vanilla and full ntr route, bc if you think about it the story is already there for both routes but judging by your comments we won't see a vanilla route, just some scenes

The recurring trend in BBQ's games is that the game is really just focused on the NTR side, the pure love routes or normal routes are just there as filler mostly, they lack content and don't have many scenes. As mentioned this is because BBQ is locked in on NTR, I absolutely agree with what you said and I really wish BBQ went that extra mile to add a well developped pure love route but given workload circumstances... we will have to make do with what we have.


Forgive me if I sound like a snob or a know-it-all, I don't doubt that you already know all this.

 

[OVYA]

...how do i get trina to do something other than blowjobs when wandering around at night?

 

[Pantavloump]

...how do i get trina to do something other than blowjobs when wandering around at night?

Not really something you control... BBQ should in fact do a better job at randomizing the night encounters.

 

[OVYA]

Not really something you control... BBQ should in fact do a better job at randomizing the night encounters.

so if i reroll enough times...itll happen eventually?

 

[Stormen]

Delays happen... and in itself it isn't a huge problem as long as the final product is decent. My issue with BBQ is that the guy's working on like 3 things at once, the fps game this one and the video for this one.
Moreover there are constant delays in his demos, a lot of the cgs were out way before their respective demos were released yet it takes forever for them to make any form of real progress it seems.
I do sympathize with the technical aspects of the game making process tho. probably a huge amount of bugs that needs fixing(but even then the demos released are rigged with bugs as well so I can only imagine how bad it is in the programming phase).

It is hard to sympathize when they set themselves up for failure by working on many projects at the same time. As a customer i expect every game i buy to be put excellent effort into, not just being a mid product to fund another product for example.

Nebel did have problems and the fact that it was rushed is undeniable if you ask me also.. It might also be the authors limited imagination. Look at h scenes. They're mostly all just regular old sex scenes. CG's is good as fuck, no doubt about that, but they lack creativity. Imagine not having one single scene where lawrence eats Kana out, or any other normal fetish being expected she'd perform. It's too vanilla in the NTR sphere. Not that i want it to go full retard like many others with piercings, spray tan, tattoos etc.

Also there is like no connection between the dungeon and the town. They're separate entities within the same game with the same characters. There is no consistency in corruption. One scene she's mad for having sex, next scene she's enjoying it, then back to mad in the next again.

On further thought one can not deny all the thought that went into the battle system. I think that took a lot of time plan out. In the end the focus went on the wrong things and he hit the deadline and rushed the rest. That's my conclusion.

 

[Pantavloump]

Nebel did have problems and the fact that it was rushed is undeniable if you ask me also.. It might also be the authors limited imagination. Look at h scenes. They're mostly all just regular old sex scenes. CG's is good as fuck, no doubt about that, but they lack creativity. Imagine not having one single scene where lawrence eats Kana out, or any other normal fetish being expected she'd perform. It's too vanilla in the NTR sphere. Not that i want it to go full retard like many others with piercings, spray tan, tattoos etc.

I can mostly agree with you on the other part, but for this... if it were just a matter of imagination BBQ does not really have any excuses since people are VERY active on his ci-en in giving feedback, comments, encouragement, disapproval and ideas. If BBQ considered even a fraction of them nebel would certainly be much better.
I'd say the lack in quantity despite good quality comes from funding and how much BBQ is willing to commission an artist to draw(because... all the games BBQ makes have artists working on the cgs not BBQ himself). Can't really say its his fault but it's definitely a situation he could've improved.


It's funny because even now people in the ci-en comments are giving out their opinions on what BBQ should add/change in the priestess game, from what I've seen many of those comments actually have very good advice or innovative ideas but at the current stage of development, it's just impossible for BBQ to do anything.