Ren'Py Fashion Business [Ep.4 v10.00 Extra] [DecentMonkey]

[agn25]

Why do we need a canonical ending at all? This is only necessary if you plan an successor.
I think episode 4 as a conclusion for all paths would be the best. The farm is way to specific for many players and i really doubt, that most patreons would like that.
I think every player of the game has it´s favourite path and some content they don´t like that much. In my case I´m not a big fan of the Julia and the House path (it´s not the same without the brat Bardie), but there are surely players out there, who love the routes.
I see it that way:
1. Episode: Monica loses everything. From riches to rags
2. Episode: Monica explores her new life and make new friends and enemies
3. Episode: Crossroads, the paths go deeper, Monica comes more and more to term with them and at the end she finally has to decide, which route she will follow (some maybe combinable, some will exclude each other)
4. Episode: All paths come to an end and define Monicas future life. (Farm included)

Maybe after Episode 4 DM could still support this game as a little sideproject to his new game he will develop.
I think it would even work to have some endless game after the offical ending with constant smaller updates every 3 or 6 months (new leds scenes for example for every route)

Episodes 2 and 3 are in structure only one episode that was split. If the current episode 3 ends as a proper episode then I would expect there to be one ending that continues into episode 4. I don't believe we will have multiple paths open going into a new episode.

I remember reading an answer from Decent Monkey a few years back to a question asking him how long or how many episodes he planed for the game. His answer was he planned 3 episodes, and added that the start of episode 3 would be a different setting. This was during the early stages of episode 2 and before the split. So if he keeps to this plan ep 4 should start in some new location.

I also would think that an episode 4 that doesn't need to carry over a heap of repeatable scenes because most of the ep3 events are still open would be easier for the developer and help keep the data size down.

Agreed that the whole home path as well as Betty became redundant after Bardie was removed.

 

[metzner]

Episodes 2 and 3 are in structure only one episode that was split. If the current episode 3 ends as a proper episode then I would expect there to be one ending that continues into episode 4. I don't believe we will have multiple paths open going into a new episode.

I remember reading an answer from Decent Monkey a few years back to a question asking him how long or how many episodes he planed for the game. His answer was he planned 3 episodes, and added that the start of episode 3 would be a different setting. This was during the early stages of episode 2 and before the split. So if he keeps to this plan ep 4 should start in some new location.

I also would think that an episode 4 that doesn't need to carry over a heap of repeatable scenes because most of the ep3 events are still open would be easier for the developer and help keep the data size down.

Agreed that the whole home path as well as Betty became redundant after Bardie was removed.

As we see with the split of Episode 2 plans can change fast. As I said before a farm Episode 4 would be way to specific.
Maybe the farm as last Episode was DMs plan in the beginning, but I´m not so sure if this is still the case. We had so many changes: Bardie gone, Steve Office Route abandoned (and this was in the beginning the second way to earn the 5000 Bucks for Victoria, so a very important route), Julia added and so on and so on...

We also have to take the business side into consideration. DM is a very successful creator on patreon and I´m pretty sure he wants to keep it that way. And integrating more paths into the last Episode is good for business. Thats the way it is.
As said before, one day FB will end, not today and not tomorrow, but it will come to an end.
With the idea of constant irregular updates of the different endings all would be pleased.
DM could focus on a new project and still benefitting to some degree from the FB fans.
The ones, who want a complete game with a ending would be satisfied and the ones, who can´t get enough of Monica could enjoy optional lewd scenes from time to time.

But in the end it´s all DM decision. So far he did a good job with his game, so I´m very confident, that he makes the right choices and whats best for his game.

 

[ciceroash]

I would think that at least 90% of people who love this game would wish for that canonical ending to be Monica at the farm.

That looks like the option that leads Monica back to her husband. You will need to check the walkthrough on Decent Monkey's wiki. I doubt anyone has reached that ending organically. Not only do you need to choose every decent option but also only click on a particular statue in her office.

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thanks I'll try

 

[stiflerBR]

yes the DM will choose an ending that will please everyone (or some not)

 

[Stefankimi11]

Any saves for 1080p after ep3 v8?

 

[Stan5851]

Yes 100% agree. What I'd like to see is at the end of what is now episode 3 Monica is sent to the farm. All the other routes should end during ep3. Monica might run away with Julia as an early end or take over the shiny hole. She can become the permanent administrator of the VIP escort business or end up as a street hooker. The point being that whatever other path Monica takes other than the farm it becomes an ending to the game just like Monica marrying Dick was in episode 1. The ultimate end of episode 3 should be Monica going to bed after her first day at the farm.

Episode 4 should be Monica dealing with the farm.

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[qazxsw80]

If I were Decent Monkey I wouldn't conclude Fashion Business as long as I could. For at least five years. Or until I saw a major fall in the number of patrons and the amount of support, like half of it.
A new game can be a failure. People might not like it. Patreon might ban it. Or whatever.
And if I had some new amazing ideas for a new game, I would just open another Patreon account. Actually, Decent Monkey just did that with that game with milfs.

Even with the current branches, I see at least 18 updates (one update every 2 months or 3 years of the development) with 4 events in each (the current pace) - 3 events with Philipp, 10 events for the photoshoots, 5 events for Julia, 5 events for the Vip escort, 10 events for the office, 10 events for the work on the streets, 10 events for Victoria, 5 events for Shiny Hole, 5 events for home, 5 events fo Marcus and 5 events for the revenge path. It is 73 events. Even more, if Decent Monkey will decide to implement the Farm in one way or another and bring Bardie back.

 

[portiamento]

so im still at ep2 and revenge path popped up, is there any other path? And if I do the revenge path I can't do any other path?

 

[Geko1711]

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[stiflerBR]

guys sorry to say but in my opinion the farm and the path of revenge for me are secondary paths

 

[Stefankimi11]

Where to find Mommy?

 

[Stan5851]

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Very interesting details, thanks! Specially opened the Patreon rules (translation from the Russian version of the rules into English) and here is a small excerpt from them.

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It turns out you're right and bestiality is not banned by Patreon... Frankly, I'm very surprised by this kind of loyalty from the Patreon guys.

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[vimmers]

Where to find Mommy?

right click ingame and click guide
but she usually are on the street corner in the slums

 

[Hlextor]

How can I finish the photo shoot in the pink dress? I have already done the shoot twice, got $5000 from Biff each time but the photoshoot is still there as not done. Also the other photoshoots? Do they have to be done several times before they are completed?

 

[Melus1ne]

How can I finish the photo shoot in the pink dress? I have already done the shoot twice, got $5000 from Biff each time but the photoshoot is still there as not done. Also the other photoshoots? Do they have to be done several times before they are completed?
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Usually you have to get all of the pictures from all angles, which can't usually be done on a single pass. Probably you just missed a couple.

 

[Hlextor]

Usually, you have to get all of the pictures from all angles, which can't usually be done on a single pass. Probably you just missed a couple.

Do you mean I would have to click one arrow (3 "arrows" each shoot) at a time and not skip any?

 

[agn25]

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Let me clarify my stance a little better. First off let me just say that Monica starting ep 4 at the farm doesn't mean that she will be permanently stuck there. I see that option as a early failed ending with her going to the farm as Marcus's "fuck meat". I hope Decent Monkey does a proper scene with that ending.

In my scenario I see Monica agreeing to go to the Farm but more on her terms. More of a way for her to discover who is truly behind her arrest and more so who actually is in control of the farm. I see her more as like a undercover agent who will need to decide which activities on the farm will benefit her goal. I can see her being allowed to come and go from the farm in certain situations much like Melanie was. She might become a recruiter for the farm to help her gain trust from the Farms leaders.

Starting at the farm doesn't mean she loses all her agency. Much like in ep2 when her corruption was brought on by her need for food, shelter and money. At the farm it would be her need for information or status or trust that could send her into many events that we would enjoy but Monica not so much.

As long as Monica doesn't give up on her goal of having her business and life return the game can continue into any scenario. Any alternate or early endings should be paths that she gives up that dream and settles for another life. Some of them we can see coming in ep3. I do think though that whatever the ending is that continues into ep4 needs to be one where Monica makes a big decision on how she will possibly get her life and status back.

 

[agn25]

How can I finish the photo shoot in the pink dress? I have already done the shoot twice, got $5000 from Biff each time but the photoshoot is still there as not done. Also the other photoshoots? Do they have to be done several times before they are completed?
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For the event list to mark each photoshoot as completed you will need to do each shoot at least twice. Take note when you repeat a shoot of the dots on the arrows. They represent angles that you already saw the first time. Make sure you hit the arrows without a dot on the second shoot for the event list to be able to mark it complete.

The game doesn't need you to complete all the photoshoots twice. Once is enough for almost all shoots. There is 1 shoot that must be completed twice but other than that just doing the shoot is enough.

The pink dress shoot needs to be done 3 times for event list to mark it as complete. The shoot before the first public event at the hotel doesn't mark off any angles. The event list is wrong in saying that you need to complete the pink dress shoot for the Melanie shoot. All the shoots leading to Melanie's shoot only need to be done once.

 

[metzner]

Let me clarify my stance a little better. First off let me just say that Monica starting ep 4 at the farm doesn't mean that she will be permanently stuck there. I see that option as a early failed ending with her going to the farm as Marcus's "fuck meat". I hope Decent Monkey does a proper scene with that ending.

In my scenario I see Monica agreeing to go to the Farm but more on her terms. More of a way for her to discover who is truly behind her arrest and more so who actually is in control of the farm. I see her more as like a undercover agent who will need to decide which activities on the farm will benefit her goal. I can see her being allowed to come and go from the farm in certain situations much like Melanie was. She might become a recruiter for the farm to help her gain trust from the Farms leaders.

Starting at the farm doesn't mean she loses all her agency. Much like in ep2 when her corruption was brought on by her need for food, shelter and money. At the farm it would be her need for information or status or trust that could send her into many events that we would enjoy but Monica not so much.

As long as Monica doesn't give up on her goal of having her business and life return the game can continue into any scenario. Any alternate or early endings should be paths that she gives up that dream and settles for another life. Some of them we can see coming in ep3. I do think though that whatever the ending is that continues into ep4 needs to be one where Monica makes a big decision on how she will possibly get her life and status back.

I see it in a way like StiflerBR: For me and that is of course completly subjective, the farm is only secondary, the struggle and corruption are my driving force to play.
For me the game is very much about submitting and not only for Monica:
Claire is submitting to her desire and giving up willingly her "middleclass" life.
Melanie is submitting to her "mistress" Victoria and her new lewd lifestyle.
And finally Monica is submitting to her cirumcstances and come to term with her lifestyle, one way or another

Of course that does not mean, there is no room for the farm or your ideas, that are actually quite good.

But I don´t think that 90 % really want to see a such an focus on farm content. It has it´s fans, no question about that.
With farm content I would miss the lightheartness of the game, because thescenes have often not only an erotic, but also an humorous touch. I´m pretty sure the farm has the tendency to bit a harder

 

[Stan5851]

Let me clarify my stance a little better. First off let me just say that Monica starting ep 4 at the farm doesn't mean that she will be permanently stuck there. I see that option as a early failed ending with her going to the farm as Marcus's "fuck meat". I hope Decent Monkey does a proper scene with that ending.

In my scenario I see Monica agreeing to go to the Farm but more on her terms. More of a way for her to discover who is truly behind her arrest and more so who actually is in control of the farm. I see her more as like a undercover agent who will need to decide which activities on the farm will benefit her goal. I can see her being allowed to come and go from the farm in certain situations much like Melanie was. She might become a recruiter for the farm to help her gain trust from the Farms leaders.

Starting at the farm doesn't mean she loses all her agency. Much like in ep2 when her corruption was brought on by her need for food, shelter and money. At the farm it would be her need for information or status or trust that could send her into many events that we would enjoy but Monica not so much.

As long as Monica doesn't give up on her goal of having her business and life return the game can continue into any scenario. Any alternate or early endings should be paths that she gives up that dream and settles for another life. Some of them we can see coming in ep3. I do think though that whatever the ending is that continues into ep4 needs to be one where Monica makes a big decision on how she will possibly get her life and status back.

agn25, thanks for the clarification.
A very graceful decision, I really like it. I don't think anyone would mind such a thing. And the great thing is that Monica still has options to try to get her life and status back, even through the Farm. Shut up and take my money I want this game.

For the event list to mark each photoshoot as completed you will need to do each shoot at least twice. Take note when you repeat a shoot of the dots on the arrows. They represent angles that you already saw the first time. Make sure you hit the arrows without a dot on the second shoot for the event list to be able to mark it complete.

The game doesn't need you to complete all the photoshoots twice. Once is enough for almost all shoots. There is 1 shoot that must be completed twice but other than that just doing the shoot is enough.

The pink dress shoot needs to be done 3 times for event list to mark it as complete. The shoot before the first public event at the hotel doesn't mark off any angles. The event list is wrong in saying that you need to complete the pink dress shoot for the Melanie shoot. All the shoots leading to Melanie's shoot only need to be done once.

This thread is still getting questions from those players who don't fully understand how to do FB photo shoots properly. Thanks for your comprehensive and detailed reply, I've added it to the FAQ.

I see it in a way like StiflerBR: For me and that is of course completly subjective, the farm is only secondary, the struggle and corruption are my driving force to play.
For me the game is very much about submitting and not only for Monica:
Claire is submitting to her desire and giving up willingly her "middleclass" life.
Melanie is submitting to her "mistress" Victoria and her new lewd lifestyle.
And finally Monica is submitting to her cirumcstances and come to term with her lifestyle, one way or another

Of course that does not mean, there is no room for the farm or your ideas, that are actually quite good.

But I don´t think that 90 % really want to see a such an focus on farm content. It has it´s fans, no question about that.
With farm content I would miss the lightheartness of the game, because thescenes have often not only an erotic, but also an humorous touch. I´m pretty sure the farm has the tendency to bit a harder

I think you are somewhat underestimating the importance of the Farm in the Fashion Business. In my opinion, for a large number of "old" players (and not just old players), Farm is the ultimate sacred point of Monica's itinerary, where she a priori had to get to. Let the DM team people correct me if I'm wrong, but sending Monica to the Farm is the canonical ending that was originally intended for FB. It's too forbidden and sweet fruit to just ignore. Also, I read that DecentMonkey in the early development of the Fashion Business was inspired by

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, so the fact that the Farm should be one of the main locations in the game sounds pretty logical and reasonable to me.

For too long players have been teased about Monica's possible entry into the Farm and described everything that happens there too colourfully and vividly for them to simply give it up. I've seen too many questions from players saying like "When will Monica be on the Farm so we can take part in her adventures there?". So I think you can't just dismiss it and say, "We're kidding, the Farm is cancelled". Especially if the implementation of the Farm in the game, based on the current Patreon rules, is quite possible and would not be considered a violation.