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Yeah the biggest problem with this game really is to attract new players, because the first chapter by nowadays standards is relatively hard to grind through. While personally I hope that this game never ends (ok I DO want to see the farm at some point), for dev it probably would be best to finish it up and start something new with all what he has learned.
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Well, he actually already did this by creating his second game - MILFs of Sunville. And, unfortunately for him, it is not as popular as Fashion Business even after 1,5 years of development. It now has about 750 patron and Fashion Business has about 1400. Fashion Business is almost twice as popular.
And actually it is not so surprising. Most adult games here fail. People don't like the story, the character or whatever, and as a result, the game doesn't make enough money.
Certainly, Decent Monkey can end Fashion Business in a couple of updates and start something new, let's say Movie Business. But there is no guarantee that it will be more profitable. The opposite is more probable, it seems to me.
Yes, Decent Monkey lost quite a bit of support after February 2022, partially probably because people from Russia can't support him anymore, but it is still a very profitable game.
With regard to your idea that the game doesn't attract new people because Ep.1 is rather weak both in terms of quality of renders and grind, it is probably true to some extent. Maybe Decent Monkey should make Ep.1 Remastered with new high-quility renders and animation and less grind. This can work.
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No, we dont want him to waste any time on a remaster. I enjoyed first chapter because I knew there was a lot to come (looking at the size of the game)
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Yes, I don't think the problem lies in the first chapter at all. It's just that many people don't know when it will end, so some people plan to wait for the plot to make great progress before joining in.
I like a lot about the game, I was a patreon for it for over a year as well, but it isn't a good game story and dialogue wise. While it is funny at times, most characters are really stupid, and the plot is so over the top is not believable at all. It also has a lot of unlikable characters and most male characters look really bad, not just in terms of looks but render wise and quality wise. Look at immoral stories, the male characters are also not good looking but they have great quality.
I think that Fashion Business, while a very nice game, appeals to a certain demographic with certain fetishes and won't go outside of that for more support.
With what he has learned, if he would be able to do a good game (I haven't tried Milfs of Sunnyville) plot wise as well, because he has the rest of the skills down, he could have a bigger success. Maybe he need to hire a good writer or something and focus more on the other aspects of the game/games.
I think that Fashion Business, while a very nice game, appeals to a certain demographic with certain fetishes and won't go outside of that for more support.
With what he has learned, if he would be able to do a good game (I haven't tried Milfs of Sunnyville) plot wise as well, because he has the rest of the skills down, he could have a bigger success. Maybe he need to hire a good writer or something and focus more on the other aspects of the game/games.
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I disagree The vast majority of all male characters have decent body detail within the limits of what modern DAZ3D offers. I would rate the quality of the male characters at 4.5 out of 5. Regarding the appearance of the male characters that you don't like, I'm pretty sure that was the developer's main intention. The world around Monica is almost 99% made up of nothing but assholes and many of those men look accordingly.
I think that Fashion Business doesn't need male characters looking like Antonio Banderas at his best. And their looks now are in harmony with their negative personality traits. All that said, Decent Monkey has managed to create some pretty charismatic male characters. They're Marcus, Fred, Dick, Philip, Biff and even "slug" Steve - all very memorable scumbags. And I think that makes sense in a game that focuses on humiliation and blackmail. And 18 year old guy with a slight unshaven face or some slinky brat from Being a DIK can never properly play the role of Marcus or Philip. Most of the male characters in our game are middle-aged or even older. And these "actors" have so far done fine with the roles given to them by the "director" (Decent Monkey).
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I agree to alot of this and many times the plot feels shallow and unbelievable, like Monica agreeing to implausably desperate sex without being short on money or getting outright blackmailed. Some of that is due to poorly written plot and missmatch in mini-plot composition. But I also think a big reason for the weird character behaviour is dev trying to stay on Patreon ToS good side, which let's just say isn't very accepting of forced non-consensual content.
Overall it's still a great VN, what it lacks in deep plot dev makes up by releasing huge amount content on a regular basis, few other VN's get even close to matching that.
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I totally agree that the quality of the VN is still really high. Unfortunately, at a certain point it kind of feels repetitive. Now that she might actually get control of her company or something, it might actually move forward.
Also, because the photoshoots take care of Victoria's money needs, the plot of paying the money back isn't implemented, her whoring is totally not needed, just like you said, we do it just to see content.
I think maybe you haven't tried the game I mentioned https://f95zone.to/threads/immoral-stories-rebecca-v1-4-2-ep-04-ggg33.97708/ . Give it a try and let me know how the male characters compare after. They are also old ugly men, by the way as the story also revolves around corruption and blackmail, just in a more extreme sense.
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No, I haven't played it. But I've looked at the screenshots now and I'm not impressed. So it's unlikely I'll want to play it. By the way, there's not a single clear image of a male character in the screenshots where you can appreciate the detail. But that's not the point. You're missing the main point - FB started making back in 2018, a lot has changed in that time and we can see. how much the detailing of the same Monica has increased compared to Chapter 1. But the point is that all the main women in FB look great and the men..,well about them I've covered everything in the previous post.
That game you mentioned, judging from the first comment in the thread, is dated late 2022. That is, it's a brand new game and of course I admit that it may have newer generation 3D male models that look a bit better than the conventional male 3D models that DAZ offered 2+ years ago. But I don't see the point in the prohibitive detailing of male characters.
Let's be honest, we come to this game to admire women, not ugly men. And which one of these men has a 4.5 level of detail and which one has a 5 , I, as a player, don't care at all. I'm in this game primarily for Monica and Melanie's sake, not to admire well-detailed men's butts.
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No, I haven't played it. But I've looked at the screenshots now and I'm not impressed. So it's unlikely I'll want to play it. By the way, there's not a single clear image of a male character in the screenshots where you can appreciate the detail. But that's not the point. You're missing the main point - FB started making back in 2018, a lot has changed in that time and we can see. how much the detailing of the same Monica has increased compared to Chapter 1. But the point is that all the main women in FB look great and the men..,well about them I've covered everything in the previous post.
That game you mentioned, judging from the first comment in the thread, is dated late 2022. That is, it's a brand new game and of course I admit that it may have newer generation 3D male models that look a bit better than the conventional male 3D models that DAZ offered 2+ years ago. But I don't see the point in the prohibitive detailing of male characters.
Let's be honest, we come to this game to admire women, not ugly men. And which one of these men has a 4.5 level of detail and which one has a 5 , I, as a player, don't care at all. I'm in this game primarily for Monica and Melanie's sake, not to admire well-detailed men's butts.
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too vanilla
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Who`s speaking about ugly guys, havn`t seen nude Mr. Dick yet. I`ll predict fashion coma for them
I understand your point of view. For me, most of the male characters in FB are between a 2.5 and a 3, so it's a difference from there to a 4.5 or a 5 in other games. It's not just the number of polygons. The hair, the textures, their expression are very comic book villainy and not realistic. It's just how they look to me and they make the game a parody more than anything else whenever they appear. I am thinking about Fred and Steve especially but I think there are others that fit the criteria. Also, some of the female characters have the same problem with the hair and expression, looking at most of the Escorts and Julia here.No, I haven't played it. But I've looked at the screenshots now and I'm not impressed. So it's unlikely I'll want to play it. By the way, there's not a single clear image of a male character in the screenshots where you can appreciate the detail. But that's not the point. You're missing the main point - FB started making back in 2018, a lot has changed in that time and we can see. how much the detailing of the same Monica has increased compared to Chapter 1. But the point is that all the main women in FB look great and the men..,well about them I've covered everything in the previous post.
That game you mentioned, judging from the first comment in the thread, is dated late 2022. That is, it's a brand new game and of course I admit that it may have newer generation 3D male models that look a bit better than the conventional male 3D models that DAZ offered 2+ years ago. But I don't see the point in the prohibitive detailing of male characters.
Let's be honest, we come to this game to admire women, not ugly men. And which one of these men has a 4.5 level of detail and which one has a 5 , I, as a player, don't care at all. I'm in this game primarily for Monica and Melanie's sake, not to admire well-detailed men's butts.
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Again, this is not to say that the game isn't great, at some point it was my favorite, being the only game from here I supported on Patreon. It's actually how I found this forum, trying to find the next release for this. I'm just saying what are some of the minus points for me for this game and why I think some other people might not like it.
This is how a male character looks in the other game I mentioned, for reference
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That is actually from a dream of hers or something, not in the actual storyline. That game is by far the most hardcore game I've played from this site, almost on the too much side for me.too vanilla