Stan5851

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She is a pretty doll who thinks too much of herself, no more. That's why she constantly ends up in stupid situations where everyone takes advantage of her, bangs her and makes her suck their dicks.
No, that's not why. She gets into these situations purely because people have been paying money to DM for years on end precisely to get Monica into these humiliating situations on purpose.

As for "FB reality" - it's very conventional and quite absurd, but even in that absurdity Monica calmly and quite successfully ran a multi-million dollar business (Fashion Magazine). Everything we know about this business (up to the point where the conspiracy against Monica began to take effect) is only due to the successful management of "stupid" Monica. And all we know about the husband is that he allegedly stole something, crossed the path of powerful people and got into trouble. (or mysteriously disappeared but will return someday - hello, my favorite conspiracy theory:illuminati:).

Well, you can probably read about why some men like to humiliate women (especially rich ones) in psychology and sociology textbooks. I don't see the point in describing all this and even less in moralizing, especially considering the fact that I play FB myself). Anyway, there's a whole complex of underlying reasons here.

Oh yeah, also our Monica has no choice, or rather, her creator just deprived her of that right. (well yes, you can fail the quest and that's the whole "choice" thing). So all questions to the dev., who is responsible for the Monica that we have.
 

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As for "FB reality" - it's very conventional and quite absurd, but even in that absurdity Monica calmly and quite successfully ran a multi-million dollar business (Fashion Magazine). Everything we know about this business (up to the point where the conspiracy against Monica began to take effect) is only due to the successful management of "stupid" Monica.
As far as I remember it is never told how she became the head of the company. Also, we are never told who her husband was exactly, how important he was in running the company before the disappearence and so on. Considering that Monica is about 30, it is very unlikely that she became the head of Fashion Magazine without any help. And that help came from her husband, most probably. The most likely turn of events: the magazine existed and was successful long before Monica. Her husband bought it and put her in charge and she managed it for a few years.
No, that's not why. She gets into these situations purely because people have been paying money to DM for years on end precisely to get Monica into these humiliating situations on purpose.
Monica doesn't exist outside the paradigm of the game developed by Decent Monkey. And according to that paradigm Monica gets into humiliating situations because of her stupid actions. If the developer wanted her to be different, she would be different. But he doesn't and so Monica is shown the way she is. All the events in the game show her that way. They don't portrait her as an intelligent business lady. And since that how she is depicted, that who she is in the game.
Oh yeah, also our Monica has no choice, or rather, her creator just deprived her of that right. (well yes, you can fail the quest and that's the whole "choice" thing). So all questions to the dev., who is responsible for the Monica that we have.
She is a game character. She cannot have a choice. All her action is the decision of Decent Monkey. She acts in the game the way she does because the developer thinks that she should act according to her game character. And that character is an arrogant bitch who thinks she is very smart and important, but in reality she isn't. And she isn't because the game shows it that way.
 
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No, that's not why. She gets into these situations purely because people have been paying money to DM for years on end precisely to get Monica into these humiliating situations on purpose.
Haha. That is a what come first, the chicken or the egg? Question. Sure things have expanded and been added due to his patreons. What game hasn't. However qazxsw80 post is on the money.

As for "FB reality" - it's very conventional and quite absurd, but even in that absurdity Monica calmly and quite successfully ran a multi-million dollar business (Fashion Magazine). Everything we know about this business (up to the point where the conspiracy against Monica began to take effect) is only due to the successful management of "stupid" Monica. And all we know about the husband is that he allegedly stole something, crossed the path of powerful people and got into trouble. (or mysteriously disappeared but will return someday - hello, my favorite conspiracy theory:illuminati:).
I haven't seen any evidence of Monica's so called "successful management" throughout the 4 episodes. She got the money to start the business from the absent husband. She delegated all the day to day tasks to her secretary, who it looks like did everything. It seems she was being ripped off left and right, just look how much the IT guy says her company pays for replacement hard drives. If anything her fashion magazine was a money pit propped up by her husbands wealth.

Throughout the whole game she has been portrayed as someone who thinks better of herself than anyone else does. She was always in for a fall. She doesn't just find herself in these situations because the patreons are paying for it. It was always the intent of the game and dev that this was going to happen.
 
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1 thing i don`t like in Basement quest (2 for real - 2 frame animation fuck machine scene):
timeline - 2 of 4 "guests" have their own scenes in other plots, that take place after basement end. I really don`t wanna replay and read all scenes again till 4.07-4.08 if it will have 2nd variation. (cus even 1st investors meeting in 3.16 had blocked text in code with variations according to Philip basement)
 
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Monica doesn't exist outside the paradigm of the game developed by Decent Monkey. And according to that paradigm Monica gets into humiliating situations because of her stupid actions. If the developer wanted her to be different, she would be different. But he doesn't and so Monica is shown the way she is. All the events in the game show her that way. They don't portrait her as an intelligent business lady. And since that how she is depicted, that who she is in the game.
No, she gets into these situations because she's being blackmailed and because she, as a game character, has no choice but to accept humiliation. All we know from open sources is the so-called game concept, or, more simply, how the game will be set up (which DM published in 2019 on a Russian-language pirate site).

However, neither there nor here on f95, I have not yet encountered any explanations or detailed comments from the developer about the character of the heroine, game biography, her mental abilities, business management skills, personality development, etc.

Therefore, I prefer not to hide the unsightly picture behind beautiful words. The essence of the game is a series of endless humiliations of a rich (in the past) and sexually attractive woman (arrogant bitch). The main tool of influence on the MC is blackmail, which can be classified as coercion to sex and other violent actions of a sexual nature. The current goal of the game is to further humiliate and have sex with the MC.
She is a game character. She cannot have a choice. All her action is the decision of Decent Monkey. She acts in the game the way she does because the developer thinks that she should act according to her game character. And that character is an arrogant bitch who thinks she is very smart and important, but in reality she isn't. And she isn't because the game shows it that way.
Yeah, she is a playable character, and in AVN (unless the game is positioned by the developer as a kinetic novel), the MC controlled by the player always has a priori a choice. So Monica's lack of choice by virtue of the developer deciding so is a weak excuse. It just shows that the game was not thought through to the end and its goal was only to create a conveyor belt of endless blackmail and humiliation for the sake of humiliation, not that the player could consciously influence his character and, say, make him better (or worse) in terms of personality. And no, don't tell me about bitchiness levels. Those are just crutches that can't replace the player's direct influence on the actions of their game character.
 

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You all do not get the point. Even if Monica is "dumb", nobody is dumb enough that he would let someone RECORD them having to do shit with which they could be blackmailed even further than they are already being blackmailed. And she does it ALL THE TIME.

At first only Victoria had something on her. Who else has something on her now? At least 2 of the slum customers, Steve's secretary, 2 photographers, her biggest business rival, Philipp (if you go to his basement) and maybe others that I forgot of the top of my head.

There is literally NO way for her to get a good ending, unless the revenge path gets so whack that she somehow manages to kill EVERYONE including Marcus and all involved cops AND not get caught doing it.

Basically she is in a position, that ALL endings will make zero sense, since there will be at least 2-3 people left to blackmail her until the end of time with recordings.

I'm sure there was an idea at the start of the game, but it very fast turned into an endless series of rapes and nothing else. It's still funny to watch (because it's a FICTIONAL STORY), but to anyone with a brain it's intellectually insulting and infuriating at the same time.
 

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You all do not get the point. Even if Monica is "dumb", nobody is dumb enough that he would let someone RECORD them having to do shit with which they could be blackmailed even further than they are already being blackmailed. And she does it ALL THE TIME.

At first only Victoria had something on her. Who else has something on her now? At least 2 of the slum customers, Steve's secretary, 2 photographers, her biggest business rival, Philipp (if you go to his basement) and maybe others that I forgot of the top of my head.

There is literally NO way for her to get a good ending, unless the revenge path gets so whack that she somehow manages to kill EVERYONE including Marcus and all involved cops AND not get caught doing it.

Basically she is in a position, that ALL endings will make zero sense, since there will be at least 2-3 people left to blackmail her until the end of time with recordings.

I'm sure there was an idea at the start of the game, but it very fast turned into an endless series of rapes and nothing else. It's still funny to watch (because it's a FICTIONAL STORY), but to anyone with a brain it's intellectually insulting and infuriating at the same time.

Monica's arrogance and the total lack of business 'skills', something everyone else sees but her ignorance of, make the game more entertaining, not sure if that was planned or the overall intent but it's turned out well for us and the creator
 

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No, she gets into these situations because she's being blackmailed and because she, as a game character, has no choice but to accept humiliation. All we know from open sources is the so-called game concept, or, more simply, how the game will be set up (which DM published in 2019 on a Russian-language pirate site).
In the game she is blackmailed because she is stupid enough to be blackmailed. No more, no less. What the game could have been or should have been is not relevant. We have what we have.

Therefore, I prefer not to hide the unsightly picture behind beautiful words. The essence of the game is a series of endless humiliations of a rich (in the past) and sexually attractive woman (arrogant bitch). The main tool of influence on the MC is blackmail, which can be classified as coercion to sex and other violent actions of a sexual nature. The current goal of the game is to further humiliate and have sex with the MC.
So what? What's wrong with that? That is the main idea and the main attraction of this game for the supporters.
Yeah, she is a playable character, and in AVN (unless the game is positioned by the developer as a kinetic novel), the MC controlled by the player always has a priori a choice. So Monica's lack of choice by virtue of the developer deciding so is a weak excuse. It just shows that the game was not thought through to the end and its goal was only to create a conveyor belt of endless blackmail and humiliation for the sake of humiliation, not that the player could consciously influence his character and, say, make him better (or worse) in terms of personality. And no, don't tell me about bitchiness levels. Those are just crutches that can't replace the player's direct influence on the actions of their game character.
Who says that the game should have all that? In my opinion it shouldn't and I don't want it to be in the game. The more of that, the less game have other stuff, like all those funny humiliating events. It is inevitable. Are you sure that that what patrons want? I certainly don't.

More than that, in every VN the player can influence the actions of the main character to a certain degree. The player cannot do whatever he wants. In some games the variety of choices is bigger, in some less. That is all. For example, in most games where you play for a good guy, you cannot join your enemies and become the bad guy and continue the game like that. There is that game here called University of Problems where it would be ten times more fun, in my opinion, to join the bad guys and continue like that. But it cannot be done.
If the developer doesn't want Monica to have choices where she deals with her enemies or becomes a better person, it is his choices and that is all right.
At first only Victoria had something on her. Who else has something on her now? At least 2 of the slum customers, Steve's secretary, 2 photographers, her biggest business rival, Philipp (if you go to his basement) and maybe others that I forgot of the top of my head.
Well, Victoria can be dealt easily, like sent to the farm. Steve's secretary is blackmailed herself and cannot do much. The photographers and White think that it is not Monica, as far as remember. Silly, but that is the way it is. Philip himself is not interested in publishing that stuff in the basement. No sure about slum customers. Don't remember anything about it. Maybe it is the latest update I haven't played yet.

You all do not get the point. Even if Monica is "dumb", nobody is dumb enough that he would let someone RECORD them having to do shit with which they could be blackmailed even further than they are already being blackmailed. And she does it ALL THE TIME.
I believe that is where you are wrong. No expert on blackmailing people, but I think that is the way it is done. The more you do the stuff you are asked, the more new blackmail material the blackmailer has.
 
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You all do not get the point. Even if Monica is "dumb", nobody is dumb enough that he would let someone RECORD them having to do shit with which they could be blackmailed even further than they are already being blackmailed. And she does it ALL THE TIME.

At first only Victoria had something on her. Who else has something on her now? At least 2 of the slum customers, Steve's secretary, 2 photographers, her biggest business rival, Philipp (if you go to his basement) and maybe others that I forgot of the top of my head.

There is literally NO way for her to get a good ending, unless the revenge path gets so whack that she somehow manages to kill EVERYONE including Marcus and all involved cops AND not get caught doing it.

Basically she is in a position, that ALL endings will make zero sense, since there will be at least 2-3 people left to blackmail her until the end of time with recordings.

I'm sure there was an idea at the start of the game, but it very fast turned into an endless series of rapes and nothing else. It's still funny to watch (because it's a FICTIONAL STORY), but to anyone with a brain it's intellectually insulting and infuriating at the same time.
Good ending can be done easily. At the snap of Marcus' fingers. Half of the bad guys will get so deep that they won't show their nose. Half of others are probably connected with farmers anyway. And Victoria doesn't seem to see Monica as the main target at all for now.
 

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No expert on blackmailing people, but I think that is the way it is done. The more you do the stuff you are asked, the more new blackmail material the blackmailer has.
You are right, If you are fucked up already its no matter how deep you will fall in case of Monica and Melanie here. Unless you can totally destroy all blackmail material. In case of Monica there are several ways. In case of Melanie - in this route i can`t predict anything for now.(atleast that there will be no any wedding with Alex, or smth happens during it.)
 

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Who says that the game should have all that? In my opinion it shouldn't and I don't want it to be in the game. The more of that, the less game have other stuff, like all those funny humiliating events. It is inevitable. Are you sure that that what patrons want? I certainly don't.
Who says it wasn't supposed to be? Especially since the decision system is one of the main features of visual novels. Anyway, I have my opinion on the matter, and I've expressed it. Obviously it doesn't coincide with yours and it won't. And yes, I absolutely don't care what patrons want.
More than that, in every VN the player can influence the actions of the main character to a certain degree. The player cannot do whatever he wants. In some games the variety of choices is bigger, in some less. That is all. For example, in most games where you play for a good guy, you cannot join your enemies and become the bad guy and continue the game like that. There is that game here called University of Problems where it would be ten times more fun, in my opinion, to join the bad guys and continue like that. But it cannot be done.
I wasn't suggesting that we give the player the ability to do whatever they want and let us play as Marсus, it's much simpler than that - there is no choice at all.
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Though yeah, I wouldn't mind playing as Marcus in Fashion Business. But that's something patreon definitely won't miss.
If the developer doesn't want Monica to have choices where she deals with her enemies or becomes a better person, it is his choices and that is all right.
Yeah, it's his choice. As they say, "my game, my rules." But in that case, don't tell me tales about Monica's "stupidity". Her whole "stupidity" is that the player has no ability to influence the decisions of the MC he "controls", which would allow Monica to make more intelligent decisions than those she is forced to make by the will of the author.
 
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Yeah, it's his choice. As they say, "my game, my rules." But in that case, don't tell me tales about Monica's "stupidity". Her whole "stupidity" is that the player has no ability to influence the decisions of the MC he "controls", which would allow Monica to make more intelligent decisions than those she is forced to make by the will of the author.
I'm kind of tired of all that arguing and have a CFA Level 2 exam in 2 days, but still I cannot believe how you cannot understand that Monica's decisions are unseparable from Decent Monkey's decisions. Her decision are based on Decent Monkey's decision. She can do only what he thinks she can do in certain situations. And in those certain situations she does stupid things. And those who do stupid things are stupid. She is shown stupid in the game because Decent Monkey made her so, no more, not less.
 

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She is shown stupid in the game because Decent Monkey made her so, no more, not less.
Thank you, Captain Obvious. What would I do without your brilliant conclusions. That's exactly what I was writing about, the DM made it so by taking away player control over MC decisions. You'd better study for your exams and not waste your time. I won't give you any favors on the exam.
 

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Okay, it's time! I invite translators in any language to translate the game, as the head of the game's translators. Welcome ;)
 
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