Ren'Py Fashion Business [Ep.4 v9.02 Extra] [DecentMonkey]

[wildride69]

I knew someone would bring that up. Not only is this "condition" as said in your quote, "never been included in the

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(DSM), the standard tool for diagnosis of psychiatric illnesses and disorders in the United States" it also originally was about specifically hostages and captors " Stockholm syndrome is a proposed condition claiming that during a hostage situation, victims can become hopelessly attached to their captors."
Being treated as poorly as Monica has been will not lead to the so called "condition". I'll add also that Monica is not a hostage.

True she is not a hostage but we can characterize her as being in an abusive relationship with other characters. Just like her prison scene for example guys that go into prison completely straight and get turned into the prison bitch. After sometime of hating it but unable to do anything about it (plus having many years to go) accept it and may even derive pleasure from it as there survival rationalization instinct kicks in.

So I disagree with you only on "someone being abused and humiliated so much that they begin to like it" maybe not "like" but accept it and do what they have to do to survive. Like a Ho and pimp, the ho may not like it but they eventually accept it if beaten down enough.

A rational mind would say "I would rather die than let that happen to me" but out of 100 people how many would die versus how many would continue to fight for life even if it means accepting there fate or current situation.

 

[agn25]

True she is not a hostage but we can characterize her as being in an abusive relationship with other characters. Just like her prison scene for example guys that go into prison completely straight and get turned into the prison bitch. After sometime of hating it but unable to do anything about it (plus having many years to go) accept it and may even derive pleasure from it as there survival rationalization instinct kicks in.

So I disagree with you only on "someone being abused and humiliated so much that they begin to like it" maybe not "like" but accept it and do what they have to do to survive. Like a Ho and pimp, the ho may not like it but they eventually accept it if beaten down enough.

A rational mind would say "I would rather die than let that happen to me" but out of 100 people how many would die versus how many would continue to fight for life even if it means accepting there fate or current situation.

Yeah people will do all sorts of things to survive. Doesn't mean they like doing it. Monica eventually liking the basement events makes no sense to me. She will do all sorts of things we the players like though.

 

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[qazxsw80]

Sorry but the whole idea of someone being abused and humiliated so much that they begin to like it, makes no sense to me. We already have Fred and "the magic cock". That at least is just her enjoying being fucked by Fred. To suggest anything so far that has happened in the basement would be enjoyable or would lead to some sort of enjoyment is crazy. I suspect with what Decent Monkey has let out of the bag with that answer, that Phillip is going to send her to the farm after he has trained her enough for them. This will probably end with her becoming the farms well trained "fuck meat".

I also suspect that if Monica uses the safe word she will quickly be picked up and sent to the farm once Decent Monkey completes that ending. Either way the choice to agree to the basement will lead to the bad farm end.

Well, it could be made a little bit different, if you insist. For example, Monica goes through so much humiliation and abuse that she kind of loses it. Like a mind break. A bad end. Monica becomes fuckmeat.

I wonder what's the plan after finishing the game?
Decent Monkey is gonna close that Patreon account and concetrate his attention on two other games? Or he'll just start developing some another vanila game that will work well with Steam rules? Somehow I doubt that he'll start making something similar with Fashion Business, that is a female protagonist game with the main focus on humiliation and corruption.
Did he share his ideas on his discord or whatever?

 

[Stan5851]

The slave romantic ending could work as long as all the romance was on Phillip's side. An ending where Monica chooses to stay with Phillip or Marcus to avoid her fate at the farm, works well if Monica must convince either that she wants to be with them. Like she has with Ralph and Julia but much more hardcore.
An end where Monica actually falls for either Phillip or Marcus would be worse than what we have with Fred.

That's exactly what I was talking about. And, of course, Monica being genuinely in love with Philip or Marcus is out of the question. Monica despised them and will continue to do so (and rightly so). But since her life is at stake, she can fake it.

 

[exazubi]

Well, now I nearly finished episode 2.

There are two more options to do. First the optional Marcus Quest, next the Appartement in the slums (at first I decided against her. but that can still be done )

But there are 3 quests that I couldn't solve. I'm curious if someone can give me some information:

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And a question at the end:

What is the end of episode 2 anyway? In episode 1, all I had to do was lie down in the basement of the villa. I haven't been able to find an ending in episode 2 yet. Does it exist?

Thanks in advance

 

[Ostego]

Well, it could be made a little bit different, if you insist. For example, Monica goes through so much humiliation and abuse that she kind of loses it. Like a mind break. A bad end. Monica becomes fuckmeat.

I wonder what's the plan after finishing the game?
Decent Monkey is gonna close that Patreon account and concetrate his attention on two other games? Or he'll just start developing some another vanila game that will work well with Steam rules? Somehow I doubt that he'll start making something similar with Fashion Business, that is a female protagonist game with the main focus on humiliation and corruption.
Did he share his ideas on his discord or whatever?

nope. FB like games not finance popular.

 

[Stan5851]

I have signed the 7th contract with him. Also the contract with Jane. And even though I've eaten at the hotel several times with his ticket, the Dinner at a restaurant with Jane ticket step is still open.

What am I missing?

AFAIR, this quest doesn't commit to anything and is not a trigger for anything. You can just send Monica off with this ticket and she can eat at the restaurant. That's it for now.

I refused to give my stranger a BJ. However, the quest is still open. According to the walktrough I can meet Perry near the prostitutes and still catch up on the quest. But she never does.

Well at least this is a known bug that will hopefully be solved sometime.

See FAQ (1.4.15).

And at the very end Go to the gym with Betty" is still open.

What am I missing now? And how do I get it?

This quest cannot be completed in ep2, it will continue in ep3.

And a question at the end:

What is the end of episode 2 anyway? In episode 1, all I had to do was lie down in the basement of the villa. I haven't been able to find an ending in episode 2 yet. Does it exist?

Thanks in advance

See FAQ (1.3.5)

 

[wildride69]

Well, it could be made a little bit different, if you insist. For example, Monica goes through so much humiliation and abuse that she kind of loses it. Like a mind break. A bad end. Monica becomes fuckmeat.

I wonder what's the plan after finishing the game?
Decent Monkey is gonna close that Patreon account and concetrate his attention on two other games? Or he'll just start developing some another vanila game that will work well with Steam rules? Somehow I doubt that he'll start making something similar with Fashion Business, that is a female protagonist game with the main focus on humiliation and corruption.
Did he share his ideas on his discord or whatever?

This story with out the early Bardie content is fairly tame compared to most VN's I have no doubt a new game along these lines would not have an issue. Bardie with his lets say questionable age did this game in on steam.

 

[kason42]

What model is Melanie in Daz?

 

[Ostego]

What model is Melanie in Daz?

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[wildride69]

What model is Melanie in Daz?

Melanie needs her Own Story and Claire we should start a poll on the Patreon!

 

[Stan5851]

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A dream woman.

 

[kason42]

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Thanks!

 

[Ostego]

any ideas about Claire in Daz ? I think she was posted somewhere (fan thread?)

on 1st pages of fan thread there`s list with models

 

[agn25]

Well, it could be made a little bit different, if you insist. For example, Monica goes through so much humiliation and abuse that she kind of loses it. Like a mind break. A bad end. Monica becomes fuckmeat.

I wonder what's the plan after finishing the game?
Decent Monkey is gonna close that Patreon account and concetrate his attention on two other games? Or he'll just start developing some another vanila game that will work well with Steam rules? Somehow I doubt that he'll start making something similar with Fashion Business, that is a female protagonist game with the main focus on humiliation and corruption.
Did he share his ideas on his discord or whatever?

Come on mate. I'm not insisting on anything. If DM writes an ending to the basement quest with her growing to like it, there not much I could do about it other than call it out as poor.

On the future of his Patreon page after completing the game, your guess is as good as mine. I haven't been on the discord in over a year and pretty much get most of my information on the game from this thread. If he did start another game under his Decent Monkey alias there would be no chance of a steam release, as it was his account that was banned not just the game.

Id like him to go back and clean up some of the messy parts of the game in ep2 after the game is finished. Something like a "directors cut" that streamlines a lot of the ideas and proposed scenes that were to come in future updates but were never implemented. Maybe re-think the games economy once the game is done so the amount of money she earns or the amount of corruption gained is better balanced. Some extra dialogue for when Monica repeats any of the Photo-shoots so the game acknowledges that she has already shot in that outfit. A combined ep2 and ep3 I would welcome. Only issue is the removal of Bardie that this version would no doubt have.

The other part of ep2 I find now as a big missed opportunity is the scenes with Steve when Monica blows him for Victoria's $5000. These scenes as they play out are just dull after the first or second deal. What would have worked better is if Steve insisted that Monica takes him deeper each week if she wants to earn her $5000. We could of had a gradual set of scenes with Monica being trained to deepthroat Steve with her managing to equal Mailey's talent by the end of the seventh deal. It is however the way it is and I don't think he will change it now.

As to what his actual plans are I have no idea.

 

[TheLecher]

The other part of ep2 I find now as a big missed opportunity is the scenes with Steve when Monica blows him for Victoria's $5000. These scenes as they play out are just dull after the first or second deal. What would have worked better is if Steve insisted that Monica takes him deeper each week if she wants to earn her $5000. We could of had a gradual set of scenes with Monica being trained to deepthroat Steve with her managing to equal Mailey's talent by the end of the seventh deal. It is however the way it is and I don't think he will change it now.

The world of missed opportunities is a bittersweet place. It can be a nice place to visit sometimes, but I wouldn't want to live there.

That being said, I do think that alternate dialogue when repeating a scene or progression through stages of a repeatable scene are both good ideas, and it's a pity that it wasn't done that way.

 

[LoveWhores]

You are the rude one, not him. The help you need is already in this thread. This question has been asked probably hundreds of times. The answer is available if you will search or read the F.A.Q. To not do the most basic work on your own to find your answer is disrespectful to all of the people who have been helpful in the past by answering this same question over and over again.



He did help you. The search button is what you need to use to find your answer.



Hope you learn to think and make just the smallest effort to find your answer before you insult the people who have helped in the past.

OMG! You really are stupid aren't you? Do you really think that I didn't first try to find if someone answered that? Go check yourself to the doctor please! Of course I first try to find if someone explain how to do it and if I already find it I will not ask for help! Do you really think that everyone here is asking for help without first trying to find how to do it? Then you are more stupid then I though! People like you are the worst - think they know everything about anyone and what type of people they are and because of that you are expecting that they don't first try to find how to fix their problems by themselves before asking for help! Just because most of your friends or people you know are like that doesn't mean everyone is! And just because someone else before asked you the same question doesn't mean you should be rude to the next one who ask you that just because you are in a bad mood!

By the way - here are already 1473 pages with comments - you don't expect me to stay whole day and read hundreds of pages when I have other stuff to do,do you? 5 to 10 pages are acceptable but hundreds are not and if you think that I didn't see that new added "Extras" in the main page where right under the links with the new version is suppose to have link to "activate extras" then you are wrong - of course I see it but there's obviously a problem there because after clicking on it it takes me to a page from where i'm suppose to copy some website link and go to that website but at that site it's say that the file was removed and there is nothing! But I guess you didn't even try to find that and instead the only thing you know is how to act rude to other people and be a jerk!

 

[vimmers]

you should read the FAQ many of your questions are answered there

Well, now I nearly finished episode 2.

There are two more options to do. First the optional Marcus Quest, next the Appartement in the slums (at first I decided against her. but that can still be done )

But there are 3 quests that I couldn't solve. I'm curious if someone can give me some information:

there are 2 Appartements in slums
and since you say
(at first I decided against her. but that can still be done )
i suppose it's living with julia you mean
there are a lot of quest in that one

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it never finish in eps2

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i think it¨s solved in patreon version but that one is without bardie
a solution are in FAQ

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gym with Betty is continued in eps3
And a question at the end:

What is the end of episode 2 anyway? In episode 1, all I had to do was lie down in the basement of the villa. I haven't been able to find an ending in episode 2 yet. Does it exist?

Thanks in advance

there is no end in eps2 also stay in FAQ
check inside the spoiler i wrote in there to