Ren'Py Fashion Business [Ep.5 v2.01 Extra] [DecentMonkey]

[MichaelLhy]

How many endings will this game have? Will Victoria and Melanie have new endings?

 

[Grummy01]

nope, for lazy ppl /11

Toxic bro. And I believed you. If you don't want to answer, just skip it. What is the meaning of your post? Do something nasty or assert yourself? Not everyone knows where to look. And we are here to communicate. Have you forgotten?

 

[Stan5851]

Also I think we are confusing if we are talking about a good ending for the player or a good ending for Monica. I'll just say that a good ending for the player is subjective, and a good ending for Monica is not.

The player finding that Basement ending good or not is subjective. I thought that ending was okay. That illustrates that I don't find bad endings for Monica necessarily good. Objectively the basement ending is a bad (I'd say the worse so far) for Monica.

But you seem to be saying that ending was a good one for Monica. I can't see how anyone logically can come to that conclusion without some future fan fiction.

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[Ostego]

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[Ostego]

And i fully not understand your argue about good and bad endings. Good- there is hentai FMG wins. Bad there is FMG loose to tentacles e.t.c.

 

[Stan5851]

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[PickerLewd]

Vicky is a misunderstood character who just wants to feel like she belongs somewhere.

She's an ordinary girl who wasn't blessed with Monica or Melanie's godlike beauty, and she does what she can.

It hurts me to see Stan enjoying her misfortune when she works all day long .

 

[Stan5851]

Vicky is a misunderstood character who just wants to feel like she belongs somewhere.

She's an ordinary girl who wasn't blessed with Monica or Melanie's godlike beauty, and she does what she can.

It hurts me to see Stan enjoying her misfortune when she works all day long .

My friend, we will return to discussing Vicky's "virtues", but for that you need to play through her entire route (2-3-4+ eps). Once you do that (and I believe you can ), you will understand what kind of girl she really is and that there is a special cauldron prepared for her in hell.

 

[PickerLewd]

My friend, we will return to discussing Vicky's "virtues", but for that you need to play through her entire route (2-3-4+ eps). Once you do that (and I believe you can ), you will understand what kind of girl she really is and that there is a special cauldron prepared for her in hell.

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[Ostego]

Yeah I know you and Stan have been in DM's ear about continuing that ending. Personally I don't see the point of it, other than some personal fetishes being serviced for the player. As Femdom is not one of mine I would give that DLC, if it ever materialised a big pass. We would lose this games best asset, Monica and replace her with some dominatrix who would look like her but would be as out of character as Monica is around Fred.

The only ending we have had so far that would interest me in being continued with a DLC would be the VIP ending. In saying that it doesn't interest me that much. Maybe a future ending would be more to my liking. If there is ever an ending to the pornshoot path that would be more up my alley for a DLC.

But mine opinione is - worse situation for Mel and Mon - better ending for me) In my scenario Dominatrix Mon would suffer worse as she would get at 218) Cuz she`d fail all attemps to be free)

 

[Stan5851]

But mine opinione is - worse situation for Mel and Mon - better ending for me) In my scenario Dominatrix Mon would suffer worse as she would get at 218) Cuz she`d fail all attemps to be free)

My scenario is different—Monica decides for herself what she wants to do on the Farm, where she goes not as a victim of a conspiracy, but as an independent Dominatrix who has earned the respect of the Farmers by overthrowing Philip.

And it is Monica, with the leashes of her fem slaves (Mel, Vicky, and others) in one hand and a glass of fine wine in the other, who goes to the place she has feared all this time, but now she knows that everything is under her control and nothing threatens her anymore... As for Mel, I have no objections. If her Mistress doesn't mind, then why shouldn't she have some fun too..

 

[agn25]

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I disagree that Monica has not given up in the endings from ep4. I think that is exactly what has happened in each ending. That is why they are endings. The Monica we all know has given up on her goal of her redemption and her come back to power. This is why we still have an on going game that still has a Monica fighting for her dignity and life. I do agree that the basement ending is the only one so far where she had any joy. I would argue (as you know) that that joy will be very fleeting.

All the endings from ep4 are objectively bad endings for Monica. Any claim of some positive future for her are just as I said, fan fiction. (Until DM makes some sort of DLC continuation, if he ever does)

No I didn't write that post or make any of those claims. That was qazxsw80. But I'm sure he would agree all those predictions of those endings futures were subjective. Again objectively all of ep4 endings for Monica have all been bad for her.

Of coarse you are free to make any sort of future head-canon you wish. And believe it or not I do enjoy reading your opinions about how you would like Monica's future to be. But again Monica gaining power by out smarting Phillip and becoming some dominatrix is just pure fan fiction.

 

[agn25]

My friend, we will return to discussing Vicky's "virtues", but for that you need to play through her entire route (2-3-4+ eps). Once you do that (and I believe you can ), you will understand what kind of girl she really is and that there is a special cauldron prepared for her in hell.

If what I suspect is true, that PickerLewd is human. I don't think any natural human life span will enable PickerLewd to finish this game ,let alone ep2, at the speed of "his" progress.

 

[PickerLewd]

If what I suspect is true, that PickerLewd is human. I don't think any natural human life span will enable PickerLewd to finish this game ,let alone ep2, at the speed of "his" progress.

Hahaha ...

It's either Stan's or EraRamp's fault (I can't remember which) but one of them told me that DM was going to remaster Chapter 2 once the game was finished. They were going to fix the messy quests and the lag caused by so much content that it makes RenPy go crazy.

It would be something similar to the remaster of Chapter 3 that has already been done.

So I slowed down my gaming pace and got hooked on other things on F95 and Steam waiting a little.

The problem is that the game was never finished, and on top of that, Chapter 5 was released .

 

[Stan5851]

I disagree that Monica has not given up in the endings from ep4. I think that is exactly what has happened in each ending. That is why they are endings. The Monica we all know has given up on her goal of her redemption and her come back to power. This is why we still have an on going game that still has a Monica fighting for her dignity and life. I do agree that the basement ending is the only one so far where she had any joy. I would argue (as you know) that that joy will be very fleeting.

All the endings from ep4 are objectively bad endings for Monica. Any claim of some positive future for her are just as I said, fan fiction. (Until DM makes some sort of DLC continuation, if he ever does)

No I didn't write that post or make any of those claims. That was qazxsw80. But I'm sure he would agree all those predictions of those endings futures were subjective. Again objectively all of ep4 endings for Monica have all been bad for her.

Of coarse you are free to make any sort of future head-canon you wish. And believe it or not I do enjoy reading your opinions about how you would like Monica's future to be. But again Monica gaining power by out smarting Phillip and becoming some dominatrix is just pure fan fiction.

agn25, now you have no chance of changing my mind. And you know why, mate? Because I replayed the entire basement story and carefully studied the ending again. And I have to tell you, it really is the happiest ending among all the bad endings. Okay, no fan fiction about what might happen in the future, just the bare facts. Let's go!

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So, objectively speaking, Monica wasn't that happy in any of the other bad endings. In those endings, she just regrets what she did, but in the Basement it's a completely different story. And all the talk about how "it's supposedly not for long" is just as much fan fiction as our suggestion to DM about the Basement (DLC).

So it turned out to be interesting when a formally bad ending (and no one disputes this) suddenly turns out to be good (in its own way). At least, according to Monica herself. And that's worth something.

 

[agn25]

agn25, now you have no chance of changing my mind. And you know why, mate? Because I replayed the entire basement story and carefully studied the ending again. And I have to tell you, it really is the happiest ending among all the bad endings. Okay, no fan fiction about what might happen in the future, just the bare facts. Let's go!

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So, objectively speaking, Monica wasn't that happy in any of the other bad endings. In those endings, she just regrets what she did, but in the Basement it's a completely different story. And all the talk about how "it's supposedly not for long" is just as much fan fiction as our suggestion to DM about the Basement.

So it turned out to be interesting when a formally bad ending (and no one disputes this) suddenly turns out to be good (in its own way). At least, according to Monica herself. And that's worth something.

Good argument and I agree that as presented Monica is having a good time, that she is happy with her situation. As I said in my previous post, this is the ending of ep4 where Monica has the most joy. However when you look at this ending with the perspective of what her life was at the beginning of ep1, this is objectively still a very bad ending for Monica.

She goes from a billionaire elite fashion magazine owner to a slave of a man who is running some sort of slave basement of women. Whether she is in charge of the other slaves or not is irrelevant, she is still a slave herself with no personal agency. And any enjoyment or satisfaction she is feeling with this ending can be taken away from her on Phillip's whim.

So looking at her situation here from start to finish this is objectively a bad end for Monica no matter how she feels about it at that time.

I'm not trying to change your mind just giving my opinion.

 

[agn25]

But mine opinione is - worse situation for Mel and Mon - better ending for me) In my scenario Dominatrix Mon would suffer worse as she would get at 218) Cuz she`d fail all attemps to be free)

See for me I'd say why is Mel even in this discussion? It is Monica who has been threatened with the farm not Mel. I want to see what is the farm as much as anyone but I see no reason to make that revelation anything to do with Phillip's basement. Leave that ending alone and give us a farm ending worthy of this game.

 

[DarkEnchanter]

See for me I'd say why is Mel even in this discussion? It is Monica who has been threatened with the farm not Mel. I want to see what is the farm as much as anyone but I see no reason to make that revelation anything to do with Phillip's basement. Leave that ending alone and give us a farm ending worthy of this game.

To be honest i don't think there will ever be very serious farm content related to this game, not even as seperate DLC.

I wish there would be farm content, but I'm a realist: for a variety of reasons, there won't be any. I don't think I need to tell anyone why there won't be any farm content; we're all smart enough here to know why.

Also DecentMonkey already wrote this on his own homepage:

"I plan to present you with a new project this year, which is expected to be even better than Fashion Business!


However, don’t worry about Monica. Even after the game is finished, I plan to periodically release small updates that will develop additional storylines."

Making a Farm-DLC won't be a "small update" it would be a huge one.

The Dev has already moved on internally to his new project, even though he will bring “Fashion Business” to a more or less satisfactory conclusion i believe.

And as for Monica's ending with Phillip: I agree that it's the best of the bad endings, but it's still a bad ending because Monica is still Phillip's slave, her freedom is still very limited, she can never do anything that Phillip really dislikes without having to fear serious consequences.

And regarding to Mel: Mel could never stand up against people who put pressure on her, letting them do lituarally anything they want to do with her. In Ep. 1 or Ep.2 (i can't remember at the moment) it is told that Mel had to take the same humiliating treatment from Monica at the very beginning of her modelling career as Monica did to the two bratty girls who wanted to be Monica's modells.

 

[Stan5851]

Hahaha ...

It's either Stan's or EraRamp's fault (I can't remember which) but one of them told me that DM was going to remaster Chapter 2 once the game was finished. They were going to fix the messy quests and the lag caused by so much content that it makes RenPy go crazy.

It would be something similar to the remaster of Chapter 3 that has already been done.

So I slowed down my gaming pace and got hooked on other things on F95 and Steam waiting a little.

The problem is that the game was never finished, and on top of that, Chapter 5 was released .

It seems that someone has found a convenient excuse for one's laziness, doesn't it? As for the remaster of Ep2, yes, there was information about it (and it seems that it was even publicly available in one of the devlogs/posts), but as I already wrote, no one mentioned any specific dates, probably because it is not the most important thing when the main game is not yet complete.

 

[Stan5851]

I wish there would be farm content, but I'm a realist: for a variety of reasons, there won't be any. I don't think I need to tell anyone why there won't be any farm content; we're all smart enough here to know why.

I hold a different opinion, but for now I’d rather remain silent so as not to give anyone false hopes or reveal anything unnecessary. So let's cross our fingers and hope that everything works out.