VN Ren'Py Abandoned Fates Collide [v0.4b] [KatanaVN]

[Krytax123]

Its seems to be quite the theme that the most talented HS devs are prone to making the worst kind of decisions regarding the development and popularity of their avns

they are their own worst enemys, the dev is not milking, he would make way more money if he simply would have continued development but yeah, they are special, they are artists not businessmen

 

[adsta]

and where is this episode one can play?
why are remastered chapters not released as it use to be? one by one when they were done?

It wouldn't make sense plot wise to have reworked content then old content, so it's releasing as one.

 

[robin312]

It wouldn't make sense plot wise to have reworked content then old content, so it's releasing as one.

this is lame excuse, seems like other devs doesn't have such issues even during rework

I think it's completely legit when you are in situation where you pay money and get nothing in return
Good dev would behave differently.

For now I suspect this game will get updates about remastered chapters for a couple of years and then dev silently disappears

 

[Dessolos]

this is lame excuse, seems like other devs doesn't have such issues even during rework

I think it's completely legit when you are in situation where you pay money and get nothing in return
Good dev would behave differently.

For now I suspect this game will get updates about remastered chapters for a couple of years and then dev silently disappears

I can understand why the dev might not release them 1 at a time , because saves are gonna break. And if someone plays lets say Ch 1 reworked and makes a save up to Ch 2 or 3 ( old) before they get reworked , they could break again. While yeah that would be on those players but I can see how it would easier for the dev to not have to worry about players that do something like that.

Tho I don't know coding very well so maybe im completely wrong about the saves breaking after the first time. But from what I understand it's more than a visual rework so I think there is a chance of them breaking multiple times for people that don't listen. How I see it it's the potential to be a double edged sword dammed if you do and dammed if you don't situation.

 

[adsta]

this is lame excuse, seems like other devs doesn't have such issues even during rework

I think it's completely legit when you are in situation where you pay money and get nothing in return
Good dev would behave differently.

For now I suspect this game will get updates about remastered chapters for a couple of years and then dev silently disappears

excuse? No that's just how it works. If you have new content then old content it's going to break in terms of visual quality, dialogue changes, scene changes etc etc. So it's all releasing as one.

As for disappearing, that's where the transparency comes in, we know that he's nearing the end of ep3 right now, there's previews being shown and progress reports coming and they have done the whole time.

 

[FutabaSakura8]

I can understand why the dev might not release them 1 at a time , because saves are gonna break. And if someone plays lets say Ch 1 reworked and makes a save up to Ch 2 or 3 ( old) before they get reworked , they could break again. While yeah that would be on those players but I can see how it would easier for the dev to not have to worry about players that do something like that.

Tho I don't know coding very well so maybe im completely wrong about the saves breaking after the first time. But from what I understand it's more than a visual rework so I think there is a chance of them breaking multiple times for people that don't listen. How I see it it's the potential to be a double edged sword dammed if you do and dammed if you don't situation.

Well ideally they'd release Ch. 1 rework without the old chapters attached, basically starting over. That's how I would expect it to go at least.

 

[Dessolos]

Well ideally they'd release Ch. 1 rework without the old chapters attached, basically starting over. That's how I would expect it to go at least.

ah true didn't think about that

 

[Meiri]

this is lame excuse, seems like other devs doesn't have such issues even during rework

I think it's completely legit when you are in situation where you pay money and get nothing in return
Good dev would behave differently.

For now I suspect this game will get updates about remastered chapters for a couple of years and then dev silently disappears

Perhaps I misunderstand you, but just in case:

He is reworking everything that has been released, and once that's done, he will release it all. He is not going to release them again one by one. In fact, some of the early chapters are already done, as far as I know. So initially once done, we should get the four episodes we currently have. After that, I imagine the plan is to continue the story with the new visual standards.

Whether some believe this deserves their support is up to them. The information is out there, and everyone is adult enough to decide what they want to do.

 

[Krytax123]

Perhaps I misunderstand you, but just in case:

He is reworking everything that has been released, and once that's done, he will release it all. He is not going to release them again one by one. In fact, some of the early chapters are already done, as far as I know. So initially once done, we should get the four episodes we currently have. After that, I imagine the plan is to continue the story with the new visual standards.

Whether some believe this deserves their support is up to them. The information is out there, and everyone is adult enough to decide what they want to do.

Wait, wait, wait. Hes still _only_ reworking? Like no development of the new (episode 5) content has happened at all?

His whole game has like the render amount of one episode of the famous college avn, he reworked ep1 already in the past entirely and is reworking the current content since close to 2 years now ... while not having worked at the new episode at all yet?

The whole game with the current amount of renders shouldnt take longer than a year but hes reworking since 2 years already, this is so incredibly bad

and the worst part: the avn was at least decent and imo pretty good already anyway, missing raiko (aiko? cant even remember the name anymore) development could have just come in the next chapter

 

[robin312]

excuse? No that's just how it works. If you have new content then old content it's going to break in terms of visual quality, dialogue changes, scene changes etc etc. So it's all releasing as one.

seems like you are not a programmer
if you added new variables in save file, all you have to do it to write a simple migration script for existed saves
and you don't have write even this in case you release chapters one by one from the start as soon as they are ready

you may check Friends in need , NeonGhosts is remasrting chapter 1 right now and releasing it bit by bit, because he values his subs and shows his work

He is reworking everything that has been released, and once that's done, he will release it all. He is not going to release them again one by one. In fact, some of the early chapters are already done, as far as I know. So initially once done, we should get the four episodes we currently have.

OK, I got it
If dev doesn't want to release anything after 2 years, he is a scammer from my point of view

 

[adsta]

seems like you are not a programmer
if you added new variables in save file, all you have to do it to write a simple migration script for existed saves
and you don't have write even this in case you release chapters one by one from the start as soon as they are ready

you may check Friends in need , NeonGhosts is remasrting chapter 1 right now and releasing it bit by bit, because he values his subs and shows his work


OK, I got it
If dev doesn't want to release anything after 2 years, he is a scammer from my point of view

Release it bit by bit and have massive plotholes, dialogue/scene mismatches etc? It's not only a visual rework, if it was then that would work fine, but other things are being changed as well so it doesn't make much sense even if it's possible.

And again, you can choose not to support, there's no gun to your head. There's no scam here, if dev kept making new content subs would have gone up, instead he chose to rework for both visual quality and to fix the plot for later episodes, making him less money, but something that will make the vn better overall. And it's not like no progress is being done, we can see the progress in discord/patreon both free and obviously more paid.

 

[robin312]

Release it bit by bit and have massive plotholes, dialogue/scene mismatches etc? It's not only a visual rework, if it was then that would work fine, but other things are being changed as well so it doesn't make much sense even if it's possible.

Everyone release their VNs chapter by chapter. 1 chapter = 1 logical unit

To your surprise KatanaVN released the last chapter in a new style and didn’t worry about any mismatches

Maybe this remaster will be worse than original?
Of course there is artistic vision, but in general crowd funded project means project for crowd who funded it. So, to be on the same page with its supporters, experienced artists release a portion of their work to check the reaction and fix product accordingly if they want to stay in business

Ok, this is it. I’m actually tired of such a long discussion where I should explain obvious things

 

[ImSenjou]

I bet that once the dev releases this remake, he’ll go for annual releases for each new update, he simply has no reason not to.

 

[Wicks99]

A quick check indicates this developer actually still has 175 paid members and monthly earnings of $441 - $1,000...

I know everyone is free to do whatever they want with their own money, but seriously the leeway some people are willing to give to someone they don't even know personally is flabbergasting.

There hasn't been any output for two years and membership retention is still like ~85%. I feel bad for AI slop developers who could only muster that miserable $100 monthly earnings, they deserve much more.

 

[Draim]

A quick check indicates this developer actually still has 175 paid members and monthly earnings of $441 - $1,000...

I know everyone is free to do whatever they want with their own money, but seriously the leeway some people are willing to give to someone they don't even know personally is flabbergasting.

There hasn't been any output for two years and membership retention is still like ~85%. I feel bad for AI slop developers who could only muster that miserable $100 monthly earnings, they deserve much more.

For rich white Americans, paying $100 per month for some kind of subscription is commonplace.

 

[adsta]

For rich white Americans, paying $100 per month for some kind of subscription is commonplace.

Most of the patreon members aren't american, there's some but most are EU.

 

[Meiri]

A quick check indicates this developer actually still has 175 paid members and monthly earnings of $441 - $1,000...

I know everyone is free to do whatever they want with their own money, but seriously the leeway some people are willing to give to someone they don't even know personally is flabbergasting.

There hasn't been any output for two years and membership retention is still like ~85%. I feel bad for AI slop developers who could only muster that miserable $100 monthly earnings, they deserve much more.

I can't really say why they may choose to spend money on him, but you make it sound like they are spending a fortune on him when his cheapest tier is like 2 euros.

He's very open of what he's doing, he posts regular previews in his patreon or in Discord and from what I've seen he hasn't disappeared which is usually the main reason that would make me distrust a dev, it's happened in other games where they disappear from everywhere for months and stop communicating and believe me that is actually awful because then you actually don't know if he's still working or not.

Obviously if someone isn't in a comfortable position to subscribe they shouldn't even consider it and that applies to this dev or any dev here.

 

[Wicks99]

I can't really say why they may choose to spend money on him, but you make it sound like they are spending a fortune on him when his cheapest tier is like 2 euros.

He's very open of what he's doing, he posts regular previews in his patreon or in Discord and from what I've seen he hasn't disappeared which is usually the main reason that would make me distrust a dev, it's happened in other games where they disappear from everywhere for months and stop communicating and believe me that is actually awful because then you actually don't know if he's still working or not.

Obviously if someone isn't in a comfortable position to subscribe they shouldn't even consider it and that applies to this dev or any dev here.

I dunno man, as someone from a country with a GDP per capita higher than most EU countries, I still find it fascinating people can pay like EUR48 for online promises. The paying EUR48 is not the fascinating part, the for nothing is.

Maybe there are just many rich kids who don't care since it's not their money or some people simply don't mind as long as each deduction is small. Sure it is their rights yada yada, not disputing that. But makes me sad to see some really good games from developers with good work ethics struggling to pay bills due to lack of funds while another guy gets nearly as much or more from producing nothing other than promises.

Anyway too much ranting from me... I'll just stop here.

 

[adsta]

I dunno man, as someone from a country with a GDP per capita higher than most EU countries, I still find it fascinating people can pay like EUR48 for online promises. The paying EUR48 is not the fascinating part, the for nothing is.

Maybe there are just many rich kids who don't care since it's not their money or some people simply don't mind as long as each deduction is small. Sure it is their rights yada yada, not disputing that. But makes me sad to see some really good games from developers with good work ethics struggling to pay bills due to lack of funds while another guy gets nearly as much or more from producing nothing other than promises.

Anyway too much ranting from me... I'll just stop here.

It's to support the dev so he can keep doing the project and not abandon it, it's not "for" anything. And Kat is getting closer and closer and making sure people know how the dev work is going publicly and more for patreon subs. The latest public report is only from September:

You must be registered to see the links

 

[adsta]