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AntiMyx

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Which is supposedly the dev's intent. Hence the moronic thought pattern design of the main character. He knows he doesn't have the skill to fight his rival. And yet, bites the obvious bait anyway and gets his ass handed to him, pretty much locking the heroine into the NTR corner.
The worst games with avoidable NTR are games where the player just needs to make a choice. In fact, such games are just two games, one NTR and one non-NTR, just combined into one. Players have to feel that the rival is capable of stealing their girl, rather than just wandering around waiting for the players to screw up. Of course, this game is not very well designed, and the main heroine is a total slut, but at least in the first 3-4 days this game makes players think about the strategy. Then, of course, players realise that them just has to force the top floors of the dungeon.
 
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LonerPrime

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The worst games with avoidable NTR are games where the player just needs to make a choice. In fact, such games are just two games, one NTR and one non-NTR, just combined into one. The players have to feel that the rivel is capable of stealing their girl, rather than just wandering around waiting for the players to screw up. Of course, this game is not very well designed, and the main heroine is a total slut, but at least in the first 3-4 days this game makes a players think about the strategy. Then, of course, a players realise that them just has to force the top floors of the dungeon.
Yep, I agree. NTR that happens spontaneously is definitely more enticing, though Netorase lovers might not agree as making those types of calls is pretty much their schtick. But, this particular scenario doesn't apply to them anyway, so matter.

However in this scenario, as you implied, the whole thing feels cliched. It's poorly executed with a dumb MC, heroines that are one step away from being sluts, and a vindictive "bull" in the mix. And the end goal? To humiliate both the MC and the heroines cause the rival's ego got bruised. An ending goal I'm personally not a fan of.

All in all, it feels like you have seen the concept before.. like a lot, and it ends up feeling like sitting through a meh deja vu.
 

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The worst games with avoidable NTR are games where the player just needs to make a choice. In fact, such games are just two games, one NTR and one non-NTR, just combined into one. The players have to feel that the rivel is capable of stealing their girl, rather than just wandering around waiting for the players to screw up. Of course, this game is not very well designed, and the main heroine is a total slut, but at least in the first 3-4 days this game makes a players think about the strategy. Then, of course, a players realise that them just has to force the top floors of the dungeon.
Well personally, if NTR exists, I'd rather be able to disable it at game start and never have it happen. In any case, from what I've read in the thread, I'm not going to try this game.
 
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I mean, there are some games in which the ntr can be avoided. Although the scenes are few and far between. But it exists! Like "The Saint and The NTR Village", it has pure love, devoid of any ntr, route.
You talking about this game? https://f95zone.to/threads/delusionendemic-the-saint-wife-of-the-cuckold-village-rare-no.230913/

That game seems more promising than this game. The NTRer in this game is too much of a pretty boy for my taste but at least I found out about that game so it wasn't a complete waste of time going through this thread. Thanks.
 

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Another bullshit game that makes you think you can avoid the NTR and save the girl but of course you can't without cheating as she gets corrupted from day 1.
 
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Another bullshit game that makes you think you can avoid the NTR and save the girl but of course you can't without cheating as she gets corrupted from day 1.
Why the protagonist can't save his girl by scratching his left heel? It's unfair.
 
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AntiMyx

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Yep, I agree. NTR that happens spontaneously is definitely more enticing, though Netorase lovers might not agree as making those types of calls is pretty much their schtick. But, this particular scenario doesn't apply to them anyway, so matter.

However in this scenario, as you implied, the whole thing feels cliched. It's poorly executed with a dumb MC, heroines that are one step away from being sluts, and a vindictive "bull" in the mix. And the end goal? To humiliate both the MC and the heroines cause the rival's ego got bruised. An ending goal I'm personally not a fan of.

All in all, it feels like you have seen the concept before.. like a lot, and it ends up feeling like sitting through a meh deja vu.
Actually, I'm craving a game with a good avoidable NTR. A game where the player has to think about a strategy to win, and where winning, not losing a LI, is the main goal of the game.
 

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100k in 10 days is pretty impossible ngl. You need to hit a quota of 10k per day (roughly), not to mention you need to at least get some armor and weapons to dungeon dive. Even getting potions is expensive and only works once a day. What irks me is the MC's limited action order (and getting more is locked in shop at 10k ea, max twice so 7 actions if you have the money)..
 

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Actually, I'm craving a game with a good avoidable NTR. A game where the player has to think about a strategy to win, and where winning, not losing a LI, is the main goal of the game.
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For once I wanna play an underestimated underdog that uses his brains to flip the tables against a formidable adversary. But I guess that'd be a paraiah game in the NTR world. Most people consume NTR to enjoy ugly/handsome bastards snatch the woman and have the so called "guy" be reduce to a defeated loser.
 

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100k in 10 days is pretty impossible ngl. You need to hit a quota of 10k per day (roughly), not to mention you need to at least get some armor and weapons to dungeon dive. Even getting potions is expensive and only works once a day. What irks me is the MC's limited action order (and getting more is locked in shop at 10k ea, max twice so 7 actions if you have the money)..
Actually, it's pretty easy. You get 40k from the boss and 20k from the chest on the 10th floor. In addition, you have to avoid monsters (which is bad game design) and get to higher floors to kill monsters with the protagonist's sister.
 

putingman

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how easy avoid the NTR? Is it easy or I need to do certain things? And how easy to get NTR'ed?
 

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wait, shouldn't there be an incest tag?
This game sounds like one where MC doesn't get a single h scene and plotted to be struggling for the approximated game time (days) he was given. Doubt MC's sister is a LI in this, she's more a built in-game mechanic.
 

LonerPrime

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wait, shouldn't there be an incest tag?
No. The MC has no scenes whatsoever with either the heroine or the sister. Sister gets stolen as well if you completely fail to repay the debt by the 26th day resulting in a harem NTR/Humiliation Ending.

how easy avoid the NTR? Is it easy or I need to do certain things? And how easy to get NTR'ed?
Depends on your definition of NTR. You need to repay within 10 days to avoid getting the heroine stolen, but she still gets sexually harassed by your rival in that timeline with each event becoming more debauched than the last.

Avoiding NTR: Take your sister and kill high level monsters. Is it easy? Debatable. Is it grindy? Absolutely.
Getting NTR: Pretty damn easy. Just go to the dungeon and immediately come back without killing anything. Soon 26 days will pass and you will get NTRed in every way possible. Most easiest thing ever.
 
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LonerPrime

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Genuine question.. what's the difference between the cheating and ntr tags?
Cheating is a singular term that implies a significant other, be it a wife or a girlfriend, sleeping with a third person behind their husband/boyfriend's back. Could be unwilling or consensual.

NTR is a more broader term with subcategories like Netorare(getting girl stolen), Netorase(asking someone to sleep with your girl) and Netori(stealing the girl yourself) if you take the Japanese take on the concept.
The POV changes dependent on the type of NTR game, and so does cheating, with Netorare having the highest, followed by Netorase with Netori having little to no cheating factor at all.
 
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Actually, I'm craving a game with a good avoidable NTR. A game where the player has to think about a strategy to win, and where winning, not losing a LI, is the main goal of the game.
I would recommend Nebel Geisterjäger if you have not tried it. It is imo by far the best NTR game that gives you a proper fighting chance and NTR doesnt happen overnight or with a single choice you make. Its here on F95 too.

Scars of Summer (not the sequel) is another one that's decent, but as a player you can actively choose to not trigger most of the routes to make it a walk in the park. For Nebel is harder, unless you are playing NG+
 
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