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[Etheric]

Deb is a femdom LI, the 1st femdom oriented scene with her appears late into chapter 2[/spoiler].

The married one? Yeah that the one that I was talking, I know that Emma is supposedto be one but she just disappears and her plot goes a lot more "Feminist into Housewife" than any sort of femdom.

 

[baxtus]

Prime age is good and all, but lets for a moment suppose that there is certain woman who is young and healthy, but completely neglected herself. Lets imagine that she doesn't care much about her looks and her passtime (lets say cause of lockdown and all), so she became overweight and only thing she does whole day is scrolling memes on her phone, so you can't even converse with her properly cause she doesn't know where Australia is on map. Would this hypothetical woman still worthy of your adoration? I mean if she doesn't respects herself why should you?
I'm asking this because your viewpoints that you describe somehow remind me radical woman supremacy policy and i'm curious how deep your conviction is : P

So...you have chosen death

 

[Mister_M]

The married one? Yeah that the one that I was talking, I know that Emma is supposedto be one but she just disappears and her plot goes a lot more "Feminist into Housewife" than any sort of femdom.

The dev said that depending on the MC's personality (shaped by the choices) more than one LI will have some amount of femdom (though not as a main focus) or be open to some fun on the side (like Deb is open to cuckolding her husband, but it won't - most probably - lead to any stable relationship with her; also while Deb is married, her marriage - depending on your choices - can end sooner than later it seems as she and her husband are not on the same page regarding their sexual needs)

 

[baxtus]

Well, thanks, but nope! Because that same beauty is dominated at the same time which is gravely improper + it leaves out the only proper role of males. I can't identify with a female character. In cases where the focus is not on the submissive female, I can enjoy some lezdom games. But since all females should be treated with the same awe in my view, only hetero femdom can reflect that situation in its full glory.

If males are redundant and unnecessary, I see no reason for them to be involved, and a woman abusing another woman (as long as it's not too violent, bloody or overly cruel), is fine with me.

But to each their own.

 

[archdude]

My issues with slow burn in erotic games is as follows:
I enjoy good and deep story like any other guy, I doubt that you can ever ruin any game with good and deep plot. But while I love reading in general and can enjoy whole novel without single erotic scene in it, when it comes to porn games, I just can't. If author teases you with some erotic promise, some sneak peeks or flirting between characters, but then decides to advance plot and it goes on and on, it feels like blueballing really D: So i inevitably start skipping till i find next (if any) sex scene and while i'm skipping i'm thinking to myself: "Dude, i just want to fap, stop throwing your walls of text on me "
That's why I still can't check out Shattered properly, on paper it looks like perfect game for me, i dig every single fetish there is, renders are beautiful and gameplay time up to date is insanely long. But goddamit it is so verbose, i can not describe you, every 2 minutes new character is introduced, then you see interaction between all 5 characters in the room, then you go home and see a dream involving said characters, but without MC, life is passing by and he almost doesn't have a part in it, and somehow when that happens my interest wanes. And i keep thinking to myself: pls stop advancing your intricate plot and building your unique and amazing world and get down to domming MC already (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻

 

[Aseratrix]

Prime age is good and all, but lets for a moment suppose that there is certain woman who is young and healthy, but completely neglected herself.

No major issues there, if we are talking about an unkempt albeit healthy female, all the beauty is still there to shine. If by "neglected" you do not imply sickness or natural deformity, I can't see why this would be a major problem to still absolutely adore her. In case she was deformed by illness or unhealthy life-style, that would elicit great compassion and concern for her. My respect towards her would not be diminished. Obviously my sexual desires would in this latter case not come forth, and it wouldn't even be proper if they would.

Lets imagine that she doesn't care much about her looks and her passtime (lets say cause of lockdown and all), so she became overweight and only thing she does whole day is scrolling memes on her phone, so you can't even converse with her properly cause she doesn't know where Australia is on map. Would this hypothetical woman still worthy of your adoration? I mean if she doesn't respects herself why should you?

If she were to get fat, that would be not healthy, so that defeats the conditions you concede in your first proposition. When I say I admire and worship female beauty, I am speaking about the normal, healthy female body and associated shape. The shape all female bodies which are not affected by some genetic disease could in principle attain. You can say that so far I was talking about the optimal shape the female body can attain. Not about individual cases of corruption of that optimal state by negative factors of self-neglect or life-circumstance. As for some women being corrupted by a meaningless society into a dull intellectual and an unhealthy physical lifestyle is an unfortunate fact of our way of life and economic system, all of which are effects corrupting the ability of some women to reach their full potential.

In those cases, while I may not be sexually and intellectually enticed by the end-product, I would still recognize their membership to the female sex I adore and respect. So, in case of an individual female being as you described, I would still be respectful with them, but I would also be concerned for their well-being, and perhaps mourn, or rather compassionately empathize with their state. I would still see in them the ideal they have been denied to attain or denied themselves to attain.

The most heart-braking case is a woman who internalized patriarchal misogyny and hates herself. I would still respect her sex class, even if I were not respecting the individual instance of their person-hood. I would not however ascribe their sorry state as being solely their fault. Such a case would [and is] only inspire me to elevate the female sex and work towards their liberation more, so that they can realistically attain their optimal beauty in body and mind. This is why I am against all forms of exploitative systems [economical, cultural, political], and thus the remedy would be not necessarily tailored to save a single individual from ignorance and unhealthy life-style, but to change society on a systemic level so that there will be a future more likely not to lead to such a waste of potentials.

In short: I will still respect her, but also feel sorry for her, even if she would disapprove of my pity, because I would see a human being used and abused by bad parenting, bad society, bad circumstances. My disdain would be directed at those, not at the victim.

I'm asking this because your viewpoints that you describe somehow remind me radical woman supremacy policy and i'm curious how deep your conviction is : P

I spare you the trouble. If it were not obvious from some of my earlier comments [not only the comment where I celebrate optimal female beauty], I completely support radical & Marxist feminism. And it is also not a secret that in terms of femdom, my favorite scenario implies female supremacy. I would personally gladly live in a female supremacist world, but I rationally know better as to impose my preference on everybody, so instead I settle to experience my ideal world through stories and games. Were such a world arise however, I would welcome it with open arms, females definitely deserve to be in charge, we males made a huge mess throughout history being in charge, I wouldn't miss the male-centered world for a second.

 

[baxtus]

Okay, a pet peeve, there is no such thing as Marxist Feminism unless the feminism is about overthrowing capitalism and establishing a communist or socialist system

If it's not class struggle, it's not marxist

I hate when terms are misused, words like Socialism, Marxism, Populism and the such are misapplied willy nilly without any regard for what they actually entail

 

[Aseratrix]

If males are redundant and unnecessary, I see no reason for them to be involved, and a woman abusing another woman (as long as it's not too violent, bloody or overly cruel), is fine with me.

But to each their own.

To each their own, indeed. For me all women are worthy of respect, and worship, so one being under another just doesn't fit my premise. + My taste in femdom is extreme enough, not to ever wish it seen unleashed on a woman even by other women.

Males are not redundant, their place under women is both fitting, proper and in its own way indispensable for the purpose of female glorification. All females are goddesses all males are here to serve them <- this is the proper order of things. Beauty should be above ugly, beauty should not reign above another beauty, that makes no sense.

Anyhow, remember this thread is not dedicated to lezdom only, but femdom in general.

 

[Aseratrix]

Okay, a pet peeve, there is no such thing as Marxist Feminism unless the feminism is about overthrowing capitalism and...

Not to pet peeve, but you are completely wrong:

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"Marxist feminism is a philosophical variant of

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that incorporates and extends

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theory. Marxist feminism analyzes the ways in which women are exploited through

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and the individual ownership of

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According to Marxist feminists,

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can only be achieved by dismantling the capitalist systems in which they contend much of women's labor is uncompensated.

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Marxist feminists extend traditional Marxist analysis by applying it to unpaid domestic labor and sex relations."

Radical feminism is an offshoot of Marxist feminism. Sure Marxist feminism comes from combining Marxist insights into how the class-system of economic exploitation works, but with a focus on the particular way in which capitalism oppresses women.

I know my shit dude. Try again!

 

[baxtus]

Not to pet peeve, but you are completely wrong:

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"Marxist feminism is a philosophical variant of

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that incorporates and extends

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theory. Marxist feminism analyzes the ways in which women are exploited through

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and the individual ownership of

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.

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According to Marxist feminists,

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can only be achieved by dismantling the capitalist systems in which they contend much of women's labor is uncompensated.

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Marxist feminists extend traditional Marxist analysis by applying it to unpaid domestic labor and sex relations."

Radical feminism is an offshoot of Marxist feminism. Sure Marxist feminism comes from combining Marxist insights into how the class-system of economic exploitation works, but with a focus on the particular way in which capitalism oppresses women.

I know my shit dude. Try again!

Again though that definition involves class struggle and overthrow of capitalism, I see no evidence of class struggle or overthrow of capitalistic systems in any Femdom games, with perhaps Boring Days and the Maid overthrowing the Master

In fact that Karlson game you like is basically dystopian capitalism

 

[archdude]

As for some women being corrupted by a meaningless society into a dull intellectual and an unhealthy physical lifestyle is an unfortunate fact of our way of life and economic system, all of which are effects corrupting the ability of some women to reach their full potential.

In those cases, while I may not be sexually and intellectually enticed by the end-product, I would still recognize their membership to the female sex I adore and respect. So, in case of an individual female being as you described, I would still be respectful with them, but I would also be concerned for their well-being, and perhaps mourn, or rather compassionately empahtise with their state. I would still see in them the ideal they have been denied to attain or denied themselves to attain.

This is what i was asking about, you answered it in whole and i find your stance very curious. I also find you a bit of a bigot, and would be deeply worried, if you get any position of political authority. Take no offence if it is possible, i met a lot of people whose political beliefs i find very questionable but i still can respect them in other regards.

 

[Aseratrix]

Again though that definition involves class struggle and overthrow of capitalism, I see no evidence of class struggle or overthrow of capitalistic systems in any Femdom games, with perhaps Boring Days and the Maid overthrowing the Master

In fact that Karlson game you like is basically dystopian capitalism

"Again though that definition involves class struggle and overthrow of capitalism..."

Who said it doesn't?

You were speaking about games only? I was speaking outside of games. And yes, KG definitely takes place in dystopian capitalism. I still like the femdom in it, and said dystopic background offers up avenues to depict great femdom scenes. Or did you actually think I liked KG for its setting and not for its femdom? I am a bit confused here.

Why should the lack of Marxist feminism in femdom games have anything to do with whether "there is no such thing as Marxist Feminism" <- which is a demonstrably false statement? Your initial statement that there is no such thing contained no reference to femdom games of any sort.

 

[Aseratrix]

This is what i was asking about, you answered it in whole and i find your stance very curious. I also find you a bit of a bigot, and would be deeply worried, if you get any position of political authority. Take no offence if it is possible, i met a lot of people whose political beliefs i find very questionable but i still can respect them in other regards.

I can easily distinguish feminism from femdom, reality from fantasy, you seem to move and mesh these together in ways which paints you a false picture of what I believe in which domain. If I were to be in a position of power I would work to alleviate the suffering and oppression of women, sure, I would however not unleash Gynarchy on unwilling participants, that's not for me to initiate, and I would have issues with it in reality based on basic ethical principles.

If you think respecting the female sex class in general and wishing for female liberation is bigotry, then you should examine your thought processes more carefully. If you think this has anything to do with femdom as a sexual genre, then you are not too bright. Your whole stick you were after here is built on a rhetorical misuse of my declarations pertaining to different subject matters. Good job!

Rather than trying to set up a poorly managed trap to demonstrate something unrelated to what I believe, you could have asked direct questions instead:

1. Do I truly respect women in real life, regardless of their looks and seek to see the female sex freed from prejudice and patriarchal categories and economic exploitation? Yes.

2. Does the above has anything to do with my adoration and worshiping of female beauty? Nope!

3. Did my comment about female beauty relate to feminism or femdom? It relates mostly to my femdom inclination, feminism does not require females to be beautiful.

4. If anything I said above makes me a "bigot" then explain how! If not, then you've just insulted me for nothing. Which is not very nice and I won't put up with it, especially not on a thread which I made.

 

[archdude]

I can easily distinguish feminism from femdom, reality from fantasy, you seem to move and mesh these together in ways which paints you a false picture of what I believe in which domain. If I were to be in a position of power I would work to alleviate the suffering and oppression of women, sure, I would however not unleash Gynarchy on unwilling participants, that's not for me to initiate, and I would have issues with it in reality based on basic ethical principles.

If you think respecting the female sex class in general and wishing for female liberation is bigotry, then you should examine your thought processes more carefully. If you think this has anything to do with femdom as a sexual genre, then you are not too bright. Your whole stick you were after here is built on a rhetorical misuse of my declarations pertaining to different subject matters. Good job!

So you actually took offence Damn i hate political arguments, i should have known better than start one, everyone is always so salty in those. Anyway i find it very good that you wouldn't force gynarchy on unwilling, but that's something that wasn't evident from your presented rhetoric, at least for me, so i naturally "meshed reality and fantasy". I offer you to burry the hatchet.

 

[Aseratrix]

So you actually took offence Damn i hate political arguments, i should have known better than start one, everyone is always so salty in those. Anyway i find it very good that you wouldn't force gynarchy on unwilling, but that's something that wasn't evident from your presented rhetoric, at least for me, so i naturally "meshed reality and fantasy". I offer you to burry the hatchet.

I am not salty for you having different opinions, but calling someone a "bigot" is quite a salty statement itself. Especially when its built on a not properly explored and quite - in my opinion - conflated set of statements. Basically based on a huge category error of sorts. Granted its hard to distinguish which statements refer to which type of issue given the overall theme of the thread, but I assumed its still pretty clear when I am speaking about my own adoration of females and my own love for femdom on one hand, and when I touch on subjects pertaining to social issues with female liberation, the two need not be mixed together.

Its ok, I will strive to isolate subjects more clearly in the future.

 

[Aseratrix]

My issues with slow burn in erotic games is as follows:
I enjoy good and deep story like any other guy, I doubt that you can ever ruin any game with good and deep plot. But while I love reading in general and can enjoy whole novel without single erotic scene in it, when it comes to porn games, I just can't. If author teases you with some erotic promise, some sneak peeks or flirting between characters, but then decides to advance plot and it goes on and on, it feels like blueballing really D: So i inevitably start skipping till i find next (if any) sex scene and while i'm skipping i'm thinking to myself: "Dude, i just want to fap, stop throwing your walls of text on me "
That's why I still can't check out Shattered properly, on paper it looks like perfect game for me, i dig every single fetish there is, renders are beautiful and gameplay time up to date is insanely long. But goddamit it is so verbose, i can not describe you, every 2 minutes new character is introduced, then you see interaction between all 5 characters in the room, then you go home and see a dream involving said characters, but without MC, life is passing by and he almost doesn't have a part in it, and somehow when that happens my interest wanes. And i keep thinking to myself: pls stop advancing your intricate plot and building your unique and amazing world and get down to domming MC already (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻

Yeah, I kinda have that same issue as well. In case of Shattered it was not so bad as it is in some Japanese VN's where there is a scene frozen in time and endless, I mean endless text after text after text. And its even worse when the pic which is frozen - as usual in JP VNs - is of some cummy scene, you can't wait to unsee.

 

[LAKueiJin]

Okay, a pet peeve, there is no such thing as Marxist Feminism unless the feminism is about overthrowing capitalism and establishing a communist or socialist system

If it's not class struggle, it's not marxist

I hate when terms are misused, words like Socialism, Marxism, Populism and the such are misapplied willy nilly without any regard for what they actually entail

As a Marxist, while I fully agree that Marxism must always be about class struggle and the overthrowing of the capitalist mode of production, there is a pretty long tradition of Marxist feminists dating all the way back from Rosa Luxemburg to other significant figures later in the 20th century like Clara Zetkin or the Soviet revolutionary Alexandra Kollontai, who was the first woman in human history to become a minister/official member of a government (she was specifically made people's comissar for social welfare in the first Bolshevik government after the october 1917 revolution if I remember correctly, and later in life was the Soviet ambassador to Sweden), so you can't really say "there is no such thing as Marxist feminists".

In fact it's a baffling statement given that even Marx himself championed women's liberation, that communists were in general the biggest advocates of gender equality and women's rights in the 19th and early 20th century (when it comes to political movements also formed of a lot of men at the time that is - feminists might've been stauncher supporters of it, but back then all feminist movements were formed exclusively of women) and that many of the greatest early feminist figures were either anarchists or Marxists... There's no need for any of us to agree on political stances of course, but you are contesting established historical fact in this post I'm afraid.

 

[baxtus]

Why should the lack of Marxist feminism in femdom games have anything to do with whether "there is no such thing as Marxist Feminism" <- which is a demonstrably false statement?

Except that's not what I said, nice try though

I said:

" there is no such thing as Marxist Feminism unless the feminism is about overthrowing capitalism and establishing a communist or socialist system"

Note the difference?

My point was that you saying you're a supporter of Marxist Feminism doesn't fly with your earlier argument, since nothing you referred to was in regards to class struggle or the overthrow of capitalism

 

[baxtus]

As a Marxist, while I fully agree that Marxism must always be about class struggle and the overthrowing of the capitalist mode of production, there is a pretty long tradition of Marxist feminists dating all the way back from Rosa Luxemburg to other significant figures later in the 20th century like Clara Zetkin or the Soviet revolutionary Alexandra Kollontai, who was the first woman in human history to become a minister/official member of a government (she was specifically made people's comissar for social welfare in the first Bolshevik government after the october 1917 revolution if I remember correctly, and later in life was the Soviet ambassador to Sweden), so you can't really say "there is no such thing as Marxist feminists".

In fact it's a baffling statement given that even Marx himself championed women's liberation, that communists were in general the biggest advocates of gender equality and women's rights in the 19th and early 20th century (when it comes to political movements also formed of a lot of men at the time that is - feminists might've been stauncher supporters of it, but back then all feminist movements were formed exclusively of women) and that many of the greatest early feminist figures were either anarchists or Marxists... There's no need for any of us to agree on political stances of course, but you are contesting established historical fact in this post I'm afraid.

I notice there is a reading comprehension gap with the posters here

This is what I said " there is no such thing as Marxist Feminism unless the feminism is about overthrowing capitalism and establishing a communist or socialist system "

Do you notice the difference between what I said, quoted above, and what you said quoted below:

"there is no such thing as Marxist feminists"


Do you note the difference?

Make sure you read before you attempt to argue

 

[LAKueiJin]

Except that's not what I said, nice try though

I said:

" there is no such thing as Marxist Feminism unless the feminism is about overthrowing capitalism and establishing a communist or socialist system"

Note the difference?

My point was that you saying you're a supporter of Marxist Feminism doesn't fly with your earlier argument, since nothing you referred to was in regards to class struggle or the overthrow of capitalism

All right, maybe I got ahead of myself with my answer. It seems we have no ideological disagreement, as indeed any forn of feminism that does not include class warfare is not Marxist, (even Luxemburg criticized "bourgeois feminists" more than 100 years ago) but instead that you simply believe Aseratrix doesn't support class struggle, which I cannot comment on. I will say however that I see no indication they were lying about being a Marxist Feminist. Yes, they didn't talk about class struggle, about establishing workers' communes or nationalizing economies, but they also didn't at any point say that they support the "girl power" brand of neoliberal feminism and are ok with the current economic system, so I think you are jumping to conclusions there.

I'd say it's far more likely he didn't talk about the marxist aspects of Marxist feminism because we're on a porn games website, as opposed to a political debate forum, and because those aspects were irrelevant to this discussion? Sure it's his job to defend himself and I'm sure you two will settle the argument yourselves, but honestly I think you are jumping to conclusions and not giving Aseratrix the benefit of the doubt. Regardless, good evening and I hope you two don't start a massive argument over a potential misunderstanding!

EDIT: I just saw your second post - again, you seem to assume Aseratrix's statement that they are a Marxist is somehow not supported by their earlier posts, which I find strange as he's always agreed with class-based critiques of capitalism in the past and did not make any anti-communist arguments... What makes you believe that? Then again, that's between you and him to settle, so I will not comment further. Hopefully this thread does not become a political hellscape by the time I check it tomorrow! Good evening everyone!