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[Mister_M]

I did not want to talk about this from a historical pre-20th century perspective, because that opens a huge can of worms, but your comment is pretty spot on. The practice of infanticide especially of girls was actually rather common in all of East Asia (not just China) in preindustrial times, mostly because, as you said, only men could take the imperial examinations, become generals or bureucrats and inherit land, and, while Asian religions were a lot more tolerant than Abrahamic ones in most things, (eg they never burnt witches or heretics and usually freedom of opinion about philosophy and religion was the norm more than the exception in Asia) Asian religions usually do not consider it a capital crime that sends you to hell to abort a child you cannot offer a good life to, even after birth (unlike Abrahamic ones).

In fact, it was often considered the moral thing to do that as opposed to sentencing the child to a life of poverty or lack of opportunity (hence they even did it to male heirs if they thought they had enough already), and I remeber there was this remark by a travelling Japanese scholar who visited the Portuguese colony of Nagasaki in the 1500s, where he was surprised by "how many children there were in the town", and it did not dawn upon him that the reason for that was the fact that Christianity basically banned abortions, so the Japanese Christians living in Portuguese-governed Nagasaki wound up keeping a lot more children than their Shinto and Buddhist counterparts in the rest of the Shogunate... I do not think that historically this phenomenon happened more preponderently in China than in other East Asian polities like Dai Viet, Korea, Japan etc, but I haven't researched the matter specifically.

Yes, the reasons for that seem obvious, though maybe after I'll read a book or two about the subject I'll return here with additional info if smth interesting will catch my eye.

And yes, leaving your kids in orphanage (mostly 20th century), performing abortion or simply selling your kids was quite normal in China or in Japan.

Curiosity: in some region of northern of China boys - if they were older than 12 yrs old - could even "marry" after their death as people there believed they continue to exist in some afterlife/different plane of existence and sometimes (according to some not that rarely) they could even "marry" a living girl (sold by her poor parents) who then was buried beside the dead guy. This tradition is/was called minghun and seems this was one of the reasons a lot of women in this region of northern China were escaping to bigger cities in search for better life, meaning the region was severly lacking in women.

OK, I'm gonna read for an hour about the subject now, you just made me interested too much.

 

[Mister_M]

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[Aseratrix]

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However you want to look at it, the women and girls clearly had no say in their fate. Nor did reason. Its just sad. This is one of the reasons I am a value universalist, I truly believe that there are ways to objectively differentiate and evaluate cultural values based on how much they agree with reason, how much they can be justified using correct reasoning based on known facts. Retrospectively of course. Still, it should have been intuitively obvious even in those times, that what they do is quite unfair [and it apparently was intuitive since you mentioned some laws even if not followed tried to address it]. In practice power decides, even when reason objects.

But today, given access to knowledge and all the ethical arguments in favor of universal human rights, I can not give regions of the world a pass based on cultural relativism when they engage in female genital mutilation, child brides, caste systems, second class status, and all sorts of other nasty and unjust things befalling women even in the west.

 

[Mister_M]

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[Aseratrix]

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Add to the list foot binding, which was yet another patriarchal practice in China, making women less mobile and more satisfying to some fucked up aesthetic fancy of males.

Note, I am not excusing European witch burnings and other anti-female practices either.

 

[Mister_M]

But today, given access to knowledge and all the ethical arguments in favor of universal human rights, I can not give regions of the world a pass based on cultural relativism when they engage in female genital mutilation, child brides, caste systems, second class status, and all sorts of other nasty and unjust things befalling women even in the west.

Sure, by giving these quotes I'm not trying to say that China was the worst or the only one in this regard, that's why I've started with quotes about Europe so as to show that this shameful tradition (mostly caused by poverty) is part of our history as well. And not only history.

Add to the list foot binding, which was yet another patriarchal practice in China, making women less mobile and more satisfying to some fucked up aesthetic fancy of males.

Oh man, that custom of making feet lotus-shaped is so fucked up. I guess even more so for me since I have a foot fetish. I remember watching a 1974 fengyue movie by Han-Hsiang Li The Golden Lotus (based on the famous novel of the same title written by an unknown author in late 17th century) and there's a main character there (fengyue means there's a hefty dose softcore erotica) with a foot fetish. I completely forgot about that barbaric custom, and of course it turned out that the women had to have this "lotus" feet to be considered attractive .

Edit: according to some historians foot binding existed and persisted because of its economic contribution. Because foot binding was an excruciatingly painful process that limited women’s mobility, it became a way to make sure that the girls sat down and worked to make yarns, cloths, fishnets, mats, and shoes.

 

[Aseratrix]

Sure, by giving these quotes I'm not trying to say that China was the worst or the only one in this regard, that's why I've started with quotes about Europe so as to show that this shameful tradition (mostly caused by poverty) is part of our history as well. And not only history.


Oh man, that custom of making feet lotus-shaped is so fucked up. I guess even more so for me since I have a foot fetish. I remember watching a 1974 fengyue movie by Han-Hsiang Li The Golden Lotus (based on the famous novel of the same title written by an unknown author in late 17th century) and there's a main character there (fengyue means there's a hefty dose softcore erotica) with a foot fetish. I completely forgot about that barbaric custom, and of course it turned out that the women had to have this "lotus" feet to be considered attractive .

Ok last comment before I go and knock myself out for this n...morning.

I don't think I specifically have a foot fetish, I love foot-related femdom for the sense of being you know, under their authority, symbolically and physically. But, I do appreciate the beauty of a natural, healthy female feet. They are just simply beautiful, the arch especially, you know my spiel how they look like a masterpiece violin and such

 

[LAKueiJin]

Add to the list foot binding, which was yet another patriarchal practice in China, making women less mobile and more satisfying to some fucked up aesthetic fancy of males.

I completely forgot about that barbaric custom, and of course it turned out that the women had to have this "lotus" feet to be considered attractive .

Ok, I feel this delved into a lot of sad stories about ancient Chinese patriarchal customs, (which were, like all patriarchal customs, quite awful) so, to bring it back a bit to the point Aseratrix made earlier about steppe nomads being far better on women's rights and cheer the thread up a bit, the Manchu Qing dynasty, who were originally steppe nomads, outlawed foot binding in China and during some of their emperors severely punished all men that had their daughters deform their feet like that. Then it unfortunately resurged as a practice again in the post 1911 republican era, before it was finally outlawed for good by the Communist party after the 1949 revolution.

#Based steppe nomads and CPC (is a weird sentence probably nobody ever said before... )

 

[CootyzBoi]

Hey I just updated my game amoral Quest
https://f95zone.to/threads/amoral-quest-v-0-1-chutiyaboi.107010/
Can you play it to tell me if the writing for the new content is better or not?
Also, can someone tell me how to update the game so that it shows up in the recently updated game list
BTW I have already reported the game thread main post for game update but that didn't seem to do Nothing

 

[Mister_M]

Hey I just updated my game amoral Quest
https://f95zone.to/threads/amoral-quest-v-0-1-chutiyaboi.107010/
Can you play it to tell me if the writing for the new content is better or not?
Also, can someone tell me how to update the game so that it shows up in the recently updated game list
BTW I have already reported the game thread main post for game update but that didn't seem to do Nothing

Thanks for the info, will play later today. Regarding the update, sometimes you just have to wait.

 

[Aseratrix]

Hey I just updated my game amoral Quest
https://f95zone.to/threads/amoral-quest-v-0-1-chutiyaboi.107010/
Can you play it to tell me if the writing for the new content is better or not?
Also, can someone tell me how to update the game so that it shows up in the recently updated game list
BTW I have already reported the game thread main post for game update but that didn't seem to do Nothing

Thanks for sharing it with us! Will definitely check it out as well.

 

[Aseratrix]

Ok, I feel this delved into a lot of sad stories about ancient Chinese patriarchal customs, (which were, like all patriarchal customs, quite awful) so, to bring it back a bit to the point Aseratrix made earlier about steppe nomads being far better on women's rights and cheer the thread up a bit, the Manchu Qing dynasty, who were originally steppe nomads, outlawed foot binding in China and during some of their emperors severely punished all men that had their daughters deform their feet like that. Then it unfortunately resurged as a practice again in the post 1911 republican era, before it was finally outlawed for good by the Communist party after the 1949 revolution.

#Based steppe nomads and CPC (is a weird sentence probably nobody ever said before... )

Yeah, sorry for that. It was me who hit on that sad note. I owe this comment of yours a like, but I have reached my quota for now.

 

[Anonymous100]

Hey I just updated my game amoral Quest
https://f95zone.to/threads/amoral-quest-v-0-1-chutiyaboi.107010/
Can you play it to tell me if the writing for the new content is better or not?
Also, can someone tell me how to update the game so that it shows up in the recently updated game list
BTW I have already reported the game thread main post for game update but that didn't seem to do Nothing

I have a big question regarding it. How do I beat Enigma? It seems impossible. She keeps locking me in grapple after graple and getting out of grapple by struggling seems to be random.

 

[Bawson]

Came for femdom game recommendations, got unsourced TERF conspiracies instead.

 

[Aseratrix]

Came for femdom game recommendations, got unsourced TERF conspiracies instead.

First of all, I didn't initiate the issue.

The recommendations are on the first page!

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[Bawson]

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Relax man, I actually agree with you on the trans issue. What I disagree with is more the "radical feminist" part. Perhaps I should have used a different term? Anyway...

I'm just not sure how you can acknowledge the existence of sexual dimorphism and then immediately turn around and label masculinity and femininity as entirely "patriarchal social constructs", as if there are zero cognitive or behavioral biological differences between men and women. Do you not think it would be profoundly strange if the sex that rears children did not have a behavioral disposition towards caretaking, and a generally less aggressive temperament than men? Do you really think it's "patriarchy" that causes women to choose people-oriented and caretaking jobs such as, say, teaching or nursing over STEM? Maybe I'm just misunderstanding, but I feel as though people are too quick to dismiss the personal choices men and women make as something sinister rather than free will.

Feminists also tend to have these diametrically opposing views where a patriarchal conspiracy to oppress women still exists (again, with no supporting empirical data), that women are all helpless victims that need a crutch to survive in the "man's world"- yet simultaneously, women are strong, independent, and equal to men- and like Susan B. Anthony, perfectly capable of accepting equal responsibility for everything. I'm not convinced that a patriarchal country that views women as disposable would make most of their scholarships exclusively female-only, or give female business owners money for just being women, or lower STEM and military standards for women, or take a woman's word as gospel in a court of law, or make acts of violence against woman a much greater crime than the equivalent against men, or have laws that force everyone from small business owners to the highest branches of government to hire unqualified women over their more qualified peers and etc etc, you get the point. You won't see middle eastern countries doing this anytime soon. Hell, today we demand that people "respect women", but tell men respect is earned, not given.

You're never going to eradicate every sexist or racist or whatever from the world, but it's foolish to deny that women in the west receive preferential treatment in a great many scenarios. And that part doesn't even bother me. It's exactly because I admire independent women that I loathe feminism for teaching women that they are still helpless victims under the thumb of a faceless mob of men that hates them for having vaginas. Just my two cents.

Ultimately none of this matters when we're looking for porn. I like femdom and strong, assertive women as much as you do, and I can see you made a lot of effort in creating the list, so even if we disagree I have to respect that much.

 

[Z - Reborn]

You guys can drop the politics anytime. Just saying.

 

[Anonymous100]

You guys can drop the politics anytime. Just saying.

Would really appreciate that myself.

 

[Aseratrix]

Relax man, I actually agree with you on the trans issue. What I disagree with is more the "radical feminist" part. Perhaps I should have used a different term? Anyway...

I'm just not sure how you can acknowledge the existence of sexual dimorphism and then immediately turn around and label masculinity and femininity as entirely "patriarchal social constructs", as if there are zero cognitive or behavioral biological differences between men and women. Do you not think it would be profoundly strange if the sex that rears children did not have a behavioral disposition towards caretaking, and a generally less aggressive temperament than men? Do you really think it's "patriarchy" that causes women to choose people-oriented and caretaking jobs such as, say, teaching or nursing over STEM? Maybe I'm just misunderstanding, but I feel as though people are too quick to dismiss the personal choices men and women make as something sinister rather than free will.

Feminists also tend to have these diametrically opposing views where a patriarchal conspiracy to oppress women still exists (again, with no supporting empirical data), that women are all helpless victims that need a crutch to survive in the "man's world"- yet simultaneously, women are strong, independent, and equal to men- and like Susan B. Anthony, perfectly capable of accepting equal responsibility for everything. I'm not convinced that a patriarchal country that views women as disposable would make most of their scholarships exclusively female-only, or give female business owners money for just being women, or lower STEM and military standards for women, or take a woman's word as gospel in a court of law, or make acts of violence against woman a much greater crime than the equivalent against men, or have laws that force everyone from small business owners to the highest branches of government to hire unqualified women over their more qualified peers and etc etc, you get the point. You won't see middle eastern countries doing this anytime soon. Hell, today we demand that people "respect women", but tell men respect is earned, not given.

You're never going to eradicate every sexist or racist or whatever from the world, but it's foolish to deny that women in the west receive preferential treatment in a great many scenarios. And that part doesn't even bother me. It's exactly because I admire independent women that I loathe feminism for teaching women that they are still helpless victims under the thumb of a faceless mob of men that hates them for having vaginas. Just my two cents.

Ultimately none of this matters when we're looking for porn. I like femdom and strong, assertive women as much as you do, and I can see you made a lot of effort in creating the list, so even if we disagree I have to respect that much.

Yeah, to some degree there may be some predispositions which stem from biology, we just don't know yet to what extent. I favor the radfem perspective. The existence of dominant females demonstrates that some of them are not sexually determined to be passive and submissive. I would argue, that culture and socialization can activate or deactivate certain predispositions. If you have a greedy society, it favors psychopathic traits, if you have a more equal society it favors cooperative impulses, and if you have a society which objectifies and oppresses women, then it can activate tendencies which cater to that, so a society which is as neutral about what one should do or not do based on what sex you have, may nurture females who are not as dissuaded from choosing interests at odds with what they traditionally were supposed to be interested in. This particular issue is up for debate, but so far I am more convinced with the idea that there is no, or only potential "human natures".

Thanks for clarifying your stance. And sorry, I was on edge with this thing since it occurred here. I wish it didn't.

 

[Aseratrix]

You guys can drop the politics anytime. Just saying.

Would really appreciate that myself.

I agree. But when I am addressed, I feel an obligation to respond. If you look at the thread you'll see, that I tried/try to move on, but these things tend to stick, when someone new comes around and finds it objectionable, and then its dragged up again. Sure, I could have been wiser, and just shut up, and that's what most wise people would have done, but I am not that wise, sadly.

Feminists back then used to say: "the personal is political". What happens here shows, that indeed it can be so.