VN Ren'Py Completed Fetish Locator [Week 3 v3.6.9] [ViNovella]

[gabriel07]

Please, someone share the mac version

 

[SojuThree]

The person above clearly played pretty far into the game, so:
Hi! I'm glad you're having fun and hope that you continue to enjoy future releases!

This is a good example of the type of posts that I usually see & ignore. As far as I can tell, this is someone that doesn't want to hear a response.

However, since I am responding, let's clear up a few things:
1) No one has been raped in this game.
1a) Let's be really clear about this: NO ONE HAS BEEN RAPED IN THIS GAME.

2) Shortly after you arrive a the Party a woman asks you if you are into chicks with dicks. If you say no, there should not be any chicks with dicks in your game.
2a) If there is a bug in the code and you said no, but somehow got a chick with a dick, please let us know and we'll fix that before the next release.

3) yes, the MC mentions the Bechdel test. Consider the scene - he's trying to distract someone from something that just happened, so he's saying things that are unexpected yet make sense. He's also trying to impress that person (who is female) and get her to like & remember him, so he's saying things that are unexpected yet make sense.
3a) I wrote that line and happily take full responsibility for it, including the confusion that it seems to have caused. It is written with the intention of being open to interpretation. Your MC might be "a pervert and a feminist." Or your MC might be pretending in order to impress a girl. Or your MC might be flustered and babbling and only barely aware of what he's saying. Or your MC might be [insert rationalization here.]

The above are my own thoughts as one of the writers on the game. They do not represent the thoughts of ViNovella or anyone else involved in the game. So on and so on and scooby-dooby doo. Oh, and I forget who called the MC "a pervert and a feminist" a few pages back, but if I ever get a nameplate I'm totally getting that engraved on it.

Well, thank you! I have been having fun with and enjoying your game so far. For the most part. I have criticisms that pretty closely parallel Dreadder's. I didn't include them because I think Dreadder covered that.

But as for the rest of your response, I'd have to say it seems like exactly the wrong way to respond to criticism. The one only thing you know is that I'm someone with a critique of your game. So that doesn't make me "someone that doesn't want to hear a response." It just makes me someone with a critique of your game. I know right?

Responding to criticism with a personal attack is hilarious. But then you go out of your way to make it even funnier with a post that can be summed up as "I'm someone that doesn't want to hear a response." You called out more people than even just me in your reply to me.

Look, if you're going to make art for other people, you're going to have to accept criticism. Period. Don't get your ramen in a knot.

Anyway, in response to 1) and 1a) it meets the legal standard of rape. I get it though. If you're into ideas like the Bechdel test you're into feelings being more important than reality. I feel that it was rape though. So why do my feelings not count? Also the law.

In response to 2) and 2a) there is a chick with a dick in the game, and you force the MC to get a blow job from xer. Your work around is just to never have xim show his peen to the player. So you're trying to say Wolverine isn't an xmen just because he doesn't go snickt.

Unless you're intending for that character to have non-surgical vagina, you're forcing the player to get a blow job from a transsexual despite not being into chicks with dicks. You're very into writing these kinds of forced sexual scenarios and then claiming that's not what you're doing, aren't you.

As for 3) and 3a) He's trying to impress a person who is female. And yet the vast majority of women are not feminist. There's a reason for that. You and I both know exactly what it is.

You know, you have your MC run to the rescue of Ramen Hair like she's a princess, which is of course, extremely feminist. But how did he not know that they weren't acting out a scene of consensual non-con? A rape fantasy. That's a fetish. According to the studies it's the most common fetish among women.

Fetishes aren't about however you define the words "social" and/or "justice". They're about the darkest and most anarchistic impulses of mankind. Or, I'm sorry, xer-kind? Xerxes? Something? Women may say they want power. Deep down they want all power taken away from them by as strong of a man as they can possibly get. And everyone knows it.

And that's coming to you from a sex club veteran. I know my fets.

Look you may want to be "a pervert and a feminist". And that's fine. No one cares. But the name of the game is Fetish Locator. Not Fetish and Feminism Locator. Maybe keep your politics out of it?

Fetish Locator is the game I was looking for. I think it's the game everyone here was looking for. But at this point, it really seems like your intent is to create a game for no one. Anyway I'm looking forward to the parody character you're going to make out of me. Because I know you can't resist. Please, I want you to give him a smaller penis than the MC. Please?

 

[SojuThree]

Nora thought through the entire scene that she was with the MC. She explicitly states that at the end of the sequence.

Nora is incapable of giving consent to every human being on the planet because that is not possible to do. More that you establish that this is not a sex partner Nora would have consented to and Polly knows this. "You're not into girls. I'm gunna change that". Nora did not give her consent to the MC to do any of this, as evidenced by her belief that it had been the MC the whole time. Never the less to the extent that she gave him consent, it was with the understanding that he not choose someone she would not have consented to. "Can I trust you." I'd say that the MC is an accessory, except that he seems to been duped by Polly as well. The one thing I can say is that this is not the kind of sex play scene you would be involved with if you want to stay on the right side of the law.

And the law right now is deeply tilted towards rape conviction. Nora would have a very strong rape case against Polly and maybe the MC if she wanted to press one.

Imagine if Polly had brought with her a dog and had the dog eat her out. Suddenly you're not so clear on this not being a rape scene. It's exactly the same either way.

 

[SojuThree]

I'm sorry, from the sarcastic and snide attitude of your earlier post, and what appeared to be wildly unfounded accusations, I assumed that you weren't interested in an actual response. I have made that same assumption with dozens of other comments that seemed to make wild accusations. Maybe some of them had a point, but they didn't convey meaning - they just seemed to be throwing shade.

Let's go back over the issues:
1) To my knowledge, the "rape" scene that you are referring to is a sexual act between consenting adults. It is consensual. Nora consents to being blindfolded and having a "blind date" with an unspecified 3rd person. Again, to my knowledge, that does not meet any commonly used definition of the word "rape." I am willing to discuss this further, perhaps my definition is incorrect. At the time of my response no one has specified the scene or clarified how that could possibly be interpreted as rape. It was just someone saying that our game contained rape, when -to the best of my knowledge at that time- the game contains no instances of rape, sexual assault, sexual abuse, nor anything similar. The accusation appeared to be a wildly unfounded lie, and I responded accordingly.
2) You used Wolverine as an example, which is interesting because there are many different dimensions/universes with different Wolverines. What if there was a Marvel universe where James Howlett was not born a mutant, never took the name of Logan, and died peacefully decades before the Weapon-X project and the creation of the X-Men? Would that character still be Wolverine? If the Player does not want trans characters in their game, they still may have an interaction with a woman. They are effectively in an alternate universe from the one where a similar character is transgender. If that is still too much, the interaction with that woman is even avoidable. They can choose one or two of the other events. Her reveal may be a surprise, but that interaction is optional. Your claim about "the game forcing you" seemed (and seems) disingenuous and inaccurate.
3) I think we are using different definitions of feminist. Fewer women self-identify as feminists than believe in feminist principles, but there are still "46 percent of American women aged 18-35 identified as feminists with only 34 percent of women over the age of 35 identifying the same way ... 69 percent of Democrats and 58 percent of independents said they consider the term feminist to mean political, economic and social equality among the sexes, while 39 percent of those that called themselves Republicans said they think it is a term used for blaming men for women's challenges." [

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] I suspect that what I consider feminism is about equality and what you consider feminism is blaming men for women's challenges.

So basically, what we have here is a failure to communicate:
1) we seem to be using different definitions of the word "rape."
2) we seem to be using different definitions of the phrase "the game forcing you."
3) we seem to be using different definitions of the word "feminist."

You have a pretty sarcastic tone yourself there friendo. And you're going to drive your game right into the ground with it.

I didn't provide you with any accusations. I provided you with a critique.

If you're receiving dozens of comments that are full of things you find to be "wild accusations" has it occurred to you that problem is probably you and not them?

1) Your knowledge is clearly faulty and I corrected you in a second post.

If you are involved in any sort of sex play activity in real life I would invite you to figure this out as quickly as you possibly can.

2) I think you just went down a very typical leftist Harry Potter hole where you site a bunch of retarded nerd shit in an effort to justify your bad behavior. Look let's not go down a rabbit hole. You have a transsexual character. And you're just having xim not show xis penis to anyone who tells xim that they're not into transsexuals, dispite then forcing the MC into sexual scenarios with xim. I think anyone who wants to play this game should read that. I don't think I would have started playing this game if I had known that was your intention.

3) That is the single most optimistic poll you could have posted, most don't find rates that high. "Fewer than one in five young women would call themselves a feminist,

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That is a much broader and more recent study than you've cited and falls in line with the general polling on feminism.

But as much as it would be fun to get into a debate about feminism here, maybe you should instead take the criticism, and fix your game? Right? So that your game doesn't fail. Because people right now are abandoning it. You're doing this for money, right? You put that blurb at the end of every update talking to the audience. Well, we're the audience. We're the ones with the money to give you. Do you think fuck you pay me works? Because it doesn't.

We don't have a failure to communicate. We have a failure for me to accept your terrible ideas and justifications, and a failure for you to accept any form of criticism at all.

 

[SojuThree]

That's interesting.
If she consents to something, has been repeatedly told a thing, but indicates that she assumed that it meant something other what was said and agreed to...

You'll have to point out where I said anything close to that, but ok. The MO is if you can't address the argument made ignore it and go for that strawman.

I still don't think you are using the correct word, but I'll give that some thought.

Will you? That doesn't seem like your thing.

I mean, not the part about the dog. She was clearly told it would be a person.
"Well you will wear a blindfold. And you won't see the person you have the date with. It will be more of a touch date."

How would that change things at all. The MC arranged this not knowing what Polly knew, that Nora doesn't want to be with Polly. He could have just as easily arranged it not knowing that Nora wanted to bring an animal. The law is exactly the same. You can't trick someone into giving consent to someone they don't want to sleep with. Period.

If I were to spend $60 on this image of a famous painting, and I think really really hard that I'm buying the famous painting rather than an image of it, does that mean the person I give $60 to is required to provide me with the famous painting instead?

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Yes? Clearly. You're describing a text book bait and switch fraud scenario.

Also Dadadadadadadadadaddadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadabitch. (I know it's not Dada, but it was Dada adjacent)

 

[SojuThree]

In case you forgot, I'm not the Dev. I'm just one of the writers.
My thoughts don't represent the thoughts of the Dev team or the game itself.

Since I'm also kinda active here on F95, every once & a while I jump in here and respond to comments about this game.

Usually, when I see posts like yours, I ignore them and move on rather than jumping in to respond. Clearly that was the right course of action. I'll go back to that.

BTW. You're using the word critique incorrectly.
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On the other hand, you are using a perfectly acceptable definition of criticism:
the expression of disapproval of someone or something based on perceived faults or mistakes

I know you're the writer. Did I give you any indication that I didn't know that?

No, the right course of action is to fix your game.

I provided you with a detailed analysis and assessment of your literature, your writing. That's a critique. Just because it was a critical critique doesn't mean it wasn't a critique. The definition of criticism in no way implies a detailed assessment of your work. Which I gave you. I know you feel the need to win points, because you perceive me to be a cizhet. But I guess I'd say that seems like pretty dysfunctional way of living your life, don't you think? That last sentence, that was a criticism.

 

[SojuThree]

*and hey, if you're right, maybe I won't be one of the writers for much longer. Maybe the Dev will replace me with someone more profitable.

It sounds like that would be a smart move.

 

[SojuThree]

a writer. one of the writers. not "the" writer.
it's not "my" game.

It's yours in that your working on it, and as part of the "devteam" you represent it. What about that is not clear to you?

 

[mommysboiii]

It is 100% not rape ,but even if it is rape I dont understand the problem.Can you explain why rape would be bad in a videogame?Or why you want laws in a videogame?

 

[SojuThree]

It is 100% not rape ,but even if it is rape I dont understand the problem.Can you explain why rape would be bad in a videogame?Or why you want laws in a videogame?

It would be under the law. But I wasn't saying it was bad. Just that it's strange to try to force feminism into a game where you help a girl rape another girl.

 

[pwnography]

I see your point but as I mentioned earlier, I don't see any cuck content with MC so far or him being beta - I see him as an upstart - someone who is trying to become more dominant (or not if player chooses so). Hell, I personally really dislike cuck fetish, nor would I enjoy playing a beta character, especially considering I am a dom in real life.

He's not an upstart, he is a moron. There is a clear difference which is the fact that he goes out of his way to screw himself over.

This Nora discussion wouldn't have happened if he did the common sense thing and actually pleasured her himself. That is the simplest path for that encounter. Even she assumes that's what happened. But no, for some reason the MC decides to not even engage with the blindfolded girl that gave consent because some girl pinky-promised him to do even less for him. This is just one example but pretty much all of his choices are weird in some way.

I don't give a shit about the cock size or whatever hang-ups other users have. Don't even care about the white knighting because, while that particular dialogue was cringy (and no girl would trust it), you could create that type of character easily. But that shit is a problem when 5 minutes later you creep on the sleeping girl, pull your cock out and the magic phone takes a picture. What the fuck is even happening at that point?

 

[SojuThree]

He's not an upstart, he is a moron. There is a clear difference which is the fact that he goes out of his way to screw himself over.

This Nora discussion wouldn't have happened if he did the common sense thing and actually pleasured her himself. That is the simplest path for that encounter. Even she assumes that's what happened. But no, for some reason the MC decides to not even engage with the blindfolded girl that gave consent because some girl pinky-promised him to do even less for him. This is just one example but pretty much all of his choices are weird in some way.

I don't give a shit about the cock size or whatever hang-ups other users have. Don't even care about the white knighting because, while that particular dialogue was cringy (and no girl would trust it), you could create that type of character easily. But that shit is a problem when 5 minutes later you creep on the sleeping girl, pull your cock out and the magic phone takes a picture. What the fuck is even happening at that point?

The writer is a feminist. Which means she has a problem with men and has no idea how to write men. And means she has a problem with women and has no idea how to write women.

It's just really clear she wanted a scene were a gay woman forces a straight woman to be gay, and there really was no other point to it.

 

[mommysboiii]

you all talk so much bullshit or you are trolls

 

[grego]

i wait with the playing until some more femdom like cbt ,female to male strapon pegging and so on stuff is in the game .

I finally decided to give it a try.

Good Renders, the game has big potential.

But right now its still a bit to tame for my taste.


The Foot Fetish with the dominatrix was a nice start, do you plan to add more femdom like cbt ,female to male strapon pegging soon ?

 

[snoupy]

I love this game and more the scenes about foot fetish!!! keep walking

 

[DanyD]

The writer is a feminist. Which means she has a problem with men and has no idea how to write men. And means she has a problem with women and has no idea how to write women.

It's just really clear she wanted a scene were a gay woman forces a straight woman to be gay, and there really was no other point to it.

i have to admit the writing of MC is so fucking weird
but most WEGs males creator have no idea how to write women correctly either

 

[kemoce]

更多恋足癖plz！多英尺f
fetish plz!more foot fetish plz!

 

[Kodek]

Hey, just here to say that i've enjoyed the game so far and state my opinion. As for the people out there saying "HOW BAD WRITTED THE MC IS" or HOW MUCH OF A CUCK AND BETA HE IS", critics are really common, not everyone has to like something.
But as far as i'm concerned, y'all are bulshitting this and bullshitting this a lot. I've played a lot of ren'py and/or VN games, erotic or not, and the writting in this game is obviously not the best, but is very good. Try and play a game with REALLY bad writting and sloppy plot building to see the point.
Plus, the game is in it's early stages. There will be a lot of room for dom scenes (if the creator plan some of course and, honestly, i'm tired of how much dom MCs are out there. And a lot of the "sub" MCs are not well portrayed, they have zero appeal as the game usually focus on the characters interacting with the MC) and the creator is obviously going to improve while creating the game.
Well, as for the game, one of my favorite points so far is the renders. Really well done for what i've seen so far. And the variety of characters the MC maybe will interact. Keep going!

 

[SojuThree]

i have to admit the writing of MC is so fucking weird
but most WEGs males creator have no idea how to write women correctly either

Fair. Most sex game writers seem to have a trouble writing either men or women. Or they can't write either sex, but they turn that fact into a fun and crazy experience. I think what people are reacting so negatively to here is the fact that this writer seems to have such a problem with both sexes that it's making the game something they don't want to play. It really seems to be a game for no one.

 

[SojuThree]

you all talk so much bullshit or you are trolls

I mean my conversation with the salty bear almost turned into a discussion of the Dada art movement. So I guess I must just be here to troll or something.

If you like the game that's fine. Clearly it's not connecting with it's audience.