Ren'Py Four Elements Trainer [v1.1.0d] [Mity]

[RebelliousKnightMordred]

Okay. I may have started a shit storm unintentionally. Or maybe I walked into an already ongoing fire? Either way I apoarently need to exit.

Nothing is unintentional in this world. No matter how small the action it'll always have consequences.

 

[baneini]

Nazis lose ww2 -> European companies facilities are destroyed leaving american puritans to become the driver of global economy. US proliferates anti-porn laws trough payment processors that prevent flourishing of porn game publishers who could fund dev studios to make a game that is released feature complete.
Instead devs survive only on crowd funded, donation based service like patreon which incentives monthly payments to gain access and influence on ongoing unfinished game projects.

Normally the publisher would manage risk, demand creative control, oversee the developers to make sure they fulfill their obligations to make their money back but in the crowdfunded donation model there no such option. The donation money is just that, money that was donated and the consumers have no rights to anything and the receiver of the donation has zero obligations.
The consumers who don't realize they're entitled to nothing then complain about their imaginary entitlements not being met and since this state is unchanging they'll repeatedly make exactly same arguments every time this happens.

What they're actually saying is they wanted Hitler to win.

 

[RebelliousKnightMordred]

Nazis lose ww2 -> European companies facilities are destroyed leaving american puritans to become the driver of global economy. US proliferates anti-porn laws trough payment processors that prevent flourishing of porn game publishers who could fund dev studios to make a game that is released feature complete.
Instead devs survive only on crowd funded, donation based service like patreon which incentives monthly payments to gain access and influence on ongoing unfinished game projects.

Normally the publisher would manage risk, demand creative control, oversee the developers to make sure they fulfill their obligations to make their money back but in the crowdfunded donation model there no such option. The donation money is just that, money that was donated and the consumers have no rights to anything and the receiver of the donation has zero obligations.
The consumers who don't realize they're entitled to nothing then complain about their imaginary entitlements not being met and since this state is unchanging they'll repeatedly make exactly same arguments every time this happens.

What they're actually saying is they wanted Hitler to win.

I hope to God you're joking and I haven't had any belief in him for well over a decade. A donation would be managed differently on a different website but you do realise how Patreon works right? It's not a site used to give donations to someone you want to help out it's a platform for crowd-funded content. Otherwise there would be no tier system. Each amount of payment has an incentive attached to it that's what people are paying for, not "donating". They're paying for something to be delivered it's why it's a monthly pledge.

 

[reaper-kun]

What they're actually saying is they wanted Hitler to win.

You're really good. Suggest to try yourself in the politics.

Speak seriously, any disappointment will make when creator break release plan and start to milking patrons. As you can see, in 1 - 3 ch. MITY doing well and pull out releases in time. No one will been angry. Since chapter 4 they don't have inspiration or ideas or something... and doing his work in half quality in front of previous chapters. This is reason of wide disappointment of patrons. They just tired and we all can see this. This situation is one part in chain of mistakes and creative crisis.

 

[FlipFish]

 

[IdarksoulsI]

Are you really going to tell me there was no huge gap with no content when I was one of the many people waiting through it. If not four months it was a few days short of it but I won't be lied to.

As for the promises, if they promised nothing why are they making a huge deal about being disappointed about not making this months release? Why are they promising all this stuff for their patrons like the new build in their DMs? Obviously they had gotten everyones expectations that there would be a release this month and that's the promise.

You'll go to the end of the earth's to defend them but refuse to hear the other side out. Instead of making posts that are nothing more than weak excuses I expect to see results from the work they promise they're putting into the game. Yet when it comes time to release they delay it. So, what exactly are they doing? What happens from the last release to the newest one? We've already seen a delay in quality from the peak of their releases to now. You're lying to yourself and everybody else around if you say there isn't something going on here with the releases.

Shake your head all you want I don't care what you say about me or claim to know about me. I'll continue to call out this nonsense I'm witnessing and I'll continue to tell people that they're right to be outraged by constantly being lied to.

1. I don't shake my head because of you (I would never do that) but because of your opinion this game should be the target for such a discussion. It's the last game in this forum I would be mad at because of delays.
2. When the coder had it's burn out the artist made 2 mini games on his own. I wouldn't call that nothing.
3. They're not eye to eye on how bad/important exact release dates should be given. They're not a company, just two dudes deciding to make a game, not exactly knowing how to do it.
4. Some may like book 4, some may not but I doubt anyone could argue about the amount of content it has. The card game was a failure but I don't blame them to try something new.
5. I can't know if Mity(artist) ever lied to me but I don't fell like he did. I'd say he's a very honest, hard working guy who is under a lot of pressure because people want their porn as fast as possible.

 

[Exokip]

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Me, reading this thread.

4. Some may like book 4, some may not but I doubt anyone could argue about the amount of content it has. The card game was a failure but I don't blame them to try something new.

This part I will respond to though... Book 4, when compared with the slave route of books 2 and 3, is crap.

There's entirely too much focus on random side girls that mean nothing, and sooooo fucking little actual Korra content.

I wanted her as broken and manipulated as Azula was, or as taken advantage of as Toph was. Instead, she's still the same attitude riddled brat, but now you can cum on her feet when you want... That's crap.

Asami also should have been handled sooo differently than she was.

Let me throat fuck Korra as punishment for her attitude. Let me choose to be downright vile to her all so she can learn Airbending, and leave Amon out of it.

She should have lost her virginity to the MC, not to the MC dressed as Amon. Its just all shit.

 

[WOMANpukumaru]

Nothing is unintentional in this world. No matter how small the action it'll always have consequences.

...

...on second thought perhaps I’m not the problem here. May have jumped the gun on that call

 

[pav0nine]

I'd rather wait two months for a new update and having a good ending than an qualitatively below-average ending. You're not obliged to support the devs, though I seriously doubt that the majority of users discussing here is pecuniarily supporting the devs.
For my part, I'm just glad that I can play such a great game without paying a shit. Hope y'all have a great evening.

 

[Master of Desaster]

Me, reading this thread.






This part I will respond to though... Book 4, when compared with the slave route of books 2 and 3, is crap.

There's entirely too much focus on random side girls that mean nothing, and sooooo fucking little actual Korra content.

I wanted her as broken and manipulated as Azula was, or as taken advantage of as Toph was. Instead, she's still the same attitude riddled brat, but now you can cum on her feet when you want... That's crap.

Asami also should have been handled sooo differently than she was.

Let me throat fuck Korra as punishment for her attitude. Let me choose to be downright vile to her all so she can learn Airbending, and leave Amon out of it.

She should have lost her virginity to the MC, not to the MC dressed as Amon. Its just all shit.

I agree that there's too much story in the Korra section, but it's not shit.

 

[FriendlyBear12]

Show me a quote where they promise a certain release date.

They've had this listed in their 5$ tier for years but was recently removed. 1 month has always been the norm, this delay shit is new and that's why they had to remove the promise.

 

[IdarksoulsI]

Me, reading this thread.






This part I will respond to though... Book 4, when compared with the slave route of books 2 and 3, is crap.

There's entirely too much focus on random side girls that mean nothing, and sooooo fucking little actual Korra content.

I wanted her as broken and manipulated as Azula was, or as taken advantage of as Toph was. Instead, she's still the same attitude riddled brat, but now you can cum on her feet when you want... That's crap.

Asami also should have been handled sooo differently than she was.
Let me throat fuck Korra as punishment for her attitude. Let me choose to be downright vile to her all so she can learn Airbending, and leave Amon out of it.

That's your opinion and I wouldn't argue on that but that doesn't mean others wouldn't be satisfied by how it is.

She should have lost her virginity to the MC, not to the MC dressed as Amon. Its just all shit.

You don't have to fuck her in that scene. The next scene then would be with Asami.

They've had this listed in their 5$ tier for years but was recently removed. 1 month has always been the norm, this delay shit is new and that's why they had to remove the promise.
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This hasn't be the norm since book 2 love route. And it's still not a promise. Compare book 1 (when they created their patreon tiers) with book 2 love route. The amount of content is quite obvious.

 

[FriendlyBear12]

This hasn't be the norm since book 2 love route. And it's still not a promise.

lol, you're lost mate. Keep telling yourself that.

 

[IdarksoulsI]

Well, you should be glad I'm lost [sic] then because without people like me you wouldn't have a game to bitch about.

 

[Balrog]

I"m sorry but it's 100% a promise if it was included in the tier rewards.

 

[darkgunner079]

I think another thing that bothers me is the inconsistency of what the progress on the build is each time they write an update post. It goes from "We're just about done and we're aiming for late this month/end of the month" to "We have to go into next month and everythings on fire"

Take this month for example, the past few art updates set a pretty positive outlook for the build being out in a timely fashion (it was going to take 2 months instead of roughly one, but thats understandable given that its closing out a route), but now suddenly the tone shifts to there being so much that needs to be done that in order to get it out in a reasonable timeframe the artist has to intervene and help the coder do the coders job? I get in game development things happen but something seems off

 

[F1forhalp]

here's a request.

will you guys just stop with all the argument and crybaby stuff? if you are a patron of this, and unhappy with whatever, you just can stop funding. pretty please, spare those of us who talk about a game, and don't want the derails, all this back and forth, with what they SHOULD or HAVE TO do when and how.
good grief, even bring ww2 into this? what does all that have to do with ZEH TOPIC..?
really, get back on track please.


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[Balrog]

here's a request.

will you guys just stop with all the argument and crybaby stuff? if you are a patron of this, and unhappy with whatever, you just can stop funding. pretty please, spare those of us who talk about a game, and don't want the derails, all this back and forth, with what they SHOULD or HAVE TO do when and how.
good grief, even bring ww2 into this? what does all that have to do with ZEH TOPIC..?
really, get back on track please.


*edited a typo*

Here's a request : don't tell other people what to do, what the dev are doing with the game IS talking about the game, it's the topic.

You mean the track of people asking for a walkthrough or save ? talk about a topic.

 

[RebelliousKnightMordred]

here's a request.

will you guys just stop with all the argument and crybaby stuff? if you are a patron of this, and unhappy with whatever, you just can stop funding. pretty please, spare those of us who talk about a game, and don't want the derails, all this back and forth, with what they SHOULD or HAVE TO do when and how.
good grief, even bring ww2 into this? what does all that have to do with ZEH TOPIC..?
really, get back on track please.


*edited a typo*

If there was a game to discuss I would happily do so but unfortunately it's been delayed for another couple weeks ^_^

 

[RebelliousKnightMordred]

...

...on second thought perhaps I’m not the problem here. May have jumped the gun on that call

There is no problem here other than the delays. I've been arguing this point since their last delay when I got fed up with them continuing to disappoint. So no you're not the one who caused this, you're just another caught in this endless "war" so to speak.