Ren'Py Four Elements Trainer [v1.1.6b] [Mity]

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Jesus, not saying people don't have the right to complain but the update is barely a week overdue and we're already calling for the coder's head, again totally forgetting that he was the one that started the project in the first place and is also the writer. He has two jobs, the artist has one. Plus, much of the "coding" involves incorporating and animating the art assets, especially when there's a new minigame. Of course he's going to be the one we're always waiting for, he can't finish his work until the artist is done. Then once he is done, he likely has to lay out the story for the next update before the artist can start working.

It might help to hire another coder, depending on how separable the writing and coding are (likely the only parts that could easily be coded concurrently are the minigames). If they split the writing, the quality might vary, and they'd probably demand a large share.

They're by and large hitting a 4-6 week schedule. Many of the other projects I'm following take 3 months or even longer to produce the same amount of content these guys produce in a month, and many of those just consist of DAZ renders using premade assets. FET is totally hand-drawn. I don't get why people here have so little patience with these guys when as far as I can recall they've only had one major period of delay. For many projects that period is just the typical time between updates and people barely complain. The artist even produced an entire bonus game to make up for it so it's not like it was a total sunk cost.
 
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Xto said:
Jesus, not saying people don't have the right to complain but the update is barely a week overdue and we're already calling for the coder's head, again totally forgetting that he was the one that started the project in the first place and is also the writer.
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It doesn't matter how long the delay is, it's not the first one and we recently had one that turned out to last for 4 months so once we have another delay for the exact same reason, people just put forth easy solution to solve that issue, instead of just waiting for it to go away.

He has 2 'jobs' by his own choice, if he can't handle them, he should delegate or hire backup, which is literaly all everyone here is saying.

Him not responding to the artist on any attempt to get a head's up isn't an 'obviously it's how it works', it's a 'probably about to have a meltdown again'

and No, we know why we always wait for him, the patreon always tell us it's because he has burn outs.

It's not a 'might' help, it's guaranteed to solve the issue unless they hire a fuck up.

Yes, they're hitting schedule with a lot of lateness while constantly breaking their patreon promise to maintain the previous schedule, that's not a good thing.
 
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Balrog said:
It doesn't matter how long the delay is, it's not the first one and we recently had one that turned out to last for 4 months so once we have another delay for the exact same reason, people just put forth easy solution to solve that issue, instead of just waiting for it to go away.

He has 2 'jobs' by his own choice, if he can't handle them, he should delegate or hire backup, which is literaly all everyone here is saying.

Him not responding to the artist on any attempt to get a head's up isn't an 'obviously it's how it works', it's a 'probably about to have a meltdown again'

and No, we know why we always wait for him, the patreon always tell us it's because he has burn outs.

It's not a 'might' help, it's guaranteed to solve the issue unless they hire a fuck up.

Yes, they're hitting schedule with a lot of lateness while constantly breaking their patreon promise to maintain the previous schedule, that's not a good thing.
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I mean I'm a massive simp for Mity, I would take a bullet for this guy(s), but even I can admit, making 300,000 dollars a year in total off of this, they can afford to pay a coder. Easily.
 
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Xto said:
Jesus, not saying people don't have the right to complain but the update is barely a week overdue and we're already calling for the coder's head, again totally forgetting that he was the one that started the project in the first place and is also the writer. He has two jobs, the artist has one. Plus, much of the "coding" involves incorporating and animating the art assets, especially when there's a new minigame. Of course he's going to be the one we're always waiting for, he can't finish his work until the artist is done. Then once he is done, he likely has to lay out the story for the next update before the artist can start working.

It might help to hire another coder, depending on how separable the writing and coding are (likely the only parts that could easily be coded concurrently are the minigames). If they split the writing, the quality might vary, and they'd probably demand a large share.

They're by and large hitting a 4-6 week schedule. Many of the other projects I'm following take 3 months or even longer to produce the same amount of content these guys produce in a month, and many of those just consist of DAZ renders using premade assets. FET is totally hand-drawn. I don't get why people here have so little patience with these guys when as far as I can recall they've only had one major period of delay. For many projects that period is just the typical time between updates and people barely complain. The artist even produced an entire bonus game to make up for it so it's not like it was a total sunk cost.
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No ones calling for his head, just for a little bit better communication on his part because we went into this month with silence on when the update might be coming, the coder makes a post a few days later (told by the artist to do so, not on his own volition) rambling a bunch but eventually saying the build wasnt ready and it needed a week, its now over a week and the artist has responded to comments saying hes getting "concerning vibes" from the coder and sent him an email asking him once again to make another post and tell us whats going on and/or when we can expect the update. This isnt the first time this has happened.

Hell Im fine with waiting a bit longer for the update but right now everyone (including the artist it seems) is completely in the dark and the coder has had ample time to make a simple post giving at least some updated timeframe or reason for the delay. And again, the artist has had to tell him to make a post and actually communicate with patrons twice now.

And like other people have said, if trying to keep to the schedule they set is having such an adverse effect on the coder then they need to hire more help, its extremely frustrating to have this constant cycle of a few consistent updates followed by a coder meltdown and weeks/potentially months of delay, and most of that time patrons are left with little idea of whats going on while MITY continues to cash the check each month regardless of progress, and its even more frustrating that enough people seem to think thats acceptable and actively encourage it.
 
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I have to think that Mitty must be really good friends with the coder and that is why he is never going to undercut his crazier than a bag of scorpions on meth coder, and get a new one or risk offending him by hiring a "back up"
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It's not even undercutting, it's just taking some work off the coder's shoulder because he clearly can't keep up without losing his shit.

Also you killed me with the 'crazier than a bag of scorpions on meth' XD
 
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guys I’m sorry for being this late with any news, but I’ve been Struggles the Clown putting this build together. I thought at the start of the month that I was about 80% finished, but lookin’ at this thing after a week, I still feel about the same. I suck at estimations, but even more so these last couple weeks. and admittedly it’s been kinda slow potatoes. do you guys feel like time is moving both really slowly and really fast? time feels really blurry these days, what is that about
the good news is I’m riding a can-do attitude that was somewhat missing, but that still leaves me with a gap of about 20% to go. however, besides sending me emails in which Marty is letting me know of his frustration with the situation, he also told me he's planning something for Halloween, though he won't yet tell me what. “Finish the build and I'll tell you” is what he said. sooo there's at least that. I understand the frustration of looking forward to something to just be wacked with another postponement, and I’m sorry. Maybe I should look into doing a progress bar thingy.
 
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