I wish he added more scenes to book 1 since Katara is the best girl .
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oh, good! refactoring!
it may not sound hard, but... it really is.
if as marty said cbob had not much idea of what he was doing, chances are high that was a big bob of messed-up spaghetti in code form. that makes it work, but chances are it does much slower and heavier than it should, and much more prone to errors.
and if cbob didn't put many comments to figure out what he is doing later, or someone else... which he almost definitivelly did not, as most programmers rarely do either...
marty will have to find a starting point and go backwards and forwards to find out what it is supposed to do and where it is used, all to figure out what to cut anc change to make it better (with the chance of needing to cut a chunk out and writing a new, better version)
and that is not even taking in account personal coding. people code differently, and as you progress you code differently than what you used to code. and sometimes the change is enough to give you a headache while trying to see what the code does even when it is done well (something we already covered this one very likely was not)
as marty said, this will be a gigantic work. but it may also become a good foundation for the future, or at least give him good experience for later projects.
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am I the only one that has to resist the urge to make back to the future references when talking about marty?
it may not sound hard, but... it really is.
if as marty said cbob had not much idea of what he was doing, chances are high that was a big bob of messed-up spaghetti in code form. that makes it work, but chances are it does much slower and heavier than it should, and much more prone to errors.
and if cbob didn't put many comments to figure out what he is doing later, or someone else... which he almost definitivelly did not, as most programmers rarely do either...
marty will have to find a starting point and go backwards and forwards to find out what it is supposed to do and where it is used, all to figure out what to cut anc change to make it better (with the chance of needing to cut a chunk out and writing a new, better version)
and that is not even taking in account personal coding. people code differently, and as you progress you code differently than what you used to code. and sometimes the change is enough to give you a headache while trying to see what the code does even when it is done well (something we already covered this one very likely was not)
as marty said, this will be a gigantic work. but it may also become a good foundation for the future, or at least give him good experience for later projects.
...
am I the only one that has to resist the urge to make back to the future references when talking about marty?
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I remain a forever loyal simp to Mity. I will wait as long as I need to. How long will it be? I don't truly care. Perfection takes time, however much time is irrelevant, for everything presceeding this has been nothing short of a life changing experience for me.
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I wouldnt mind if the story would continue with the artists writing and i would definetly PREFER if he was in charge of designing mini games and puzzles. Since i played the halloween sidestory (wich was made only by the artist) i lost all believe that theres anything about the current writer/coder that i would miss
I love this endeavor. I REALLY don't mind waiting for quality. If a writer has nonsense around them, then they need time to deal with it. Those who are upset by how much this is making are fools. Each person who pays for it can always opt out. Vote with your wallet and leave it be.
Wishing the team all the best. Looking forward to the full release (hopefully with some gallery-work included).
Wishing the team all the best. Looking forward to the full release (hopefully with some gallery-work included).
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Some of the content in the latest books feels stretched and bloated with unnecessary grindy mini games that offer nothing else then wasting your time. And its only done to increase the time you need to play to reach scenes so the book isnt over in an hour .
The halloween sidestory was much better in those regards everything involved simple puzzles that encouraged exploring everything and it was overall enjoyable to find all the dialogue
The halloween sidestory was much better in those regards everything involved simple puzzles that encouraged exploring everything and it was overall enjoyable to find all the dialogue
Hey lads, love your discussions and stuff. Real big fan of some of ya. Now heres my question, so i dunno where the fuck i read it but apparently there was a third ending to book 3? Or maybe i was just dreaming or so. Anyone got any info on that?
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I don't mind waiting for quality either. The key word here is quality. I also found Book 4 Slave Route lacking in terms of writing, minigames and overall design of the "story". It was kinda all over the place. I mean, why even include moving car animations if it serves no purpose and looks like shit? Meelo's minigame (one of more decent ones) had to be played to grind money, which in turn had to be earned to buy items required for story progression (the only thing available in the shop). So very inspired, why not just stick there a 30 minute timer so I can at least do something else. Also, do you remember there was probending? I almost forgot it, so much pointless work...
There were good moments in terms of writing, but the development chaos really shows. The crucial arc - training Korra - lacks meaningful development based on your actions, with Korra periodically alternating between stubborn and slutty. I would appreciate her inability to learn from her mistakes as an accurate portrayal of LoK Korra, but I somehow doubt it was intended.
I would agree that they didn't seem to know what they're doing. I guess the basic structure was clear to them (Korra trainer => train Korra), but apart from that they probably just had a list of stuff they wanted to include and shoved it in at random. And so I would agree that a better story structure should be decided for love route in advance. And since I believe Marty proved capable to write at least as well as cbob, this could be used to clearly divvy up the work.
Overall, I appreciated B4SR as functionally fappable. It's not exactly Chekhov, but it works. And yes, slave routes are usually worse in terms of writing, but previous ones were at least coherent, with a streamlined story and didn't break immersion due to story parts being weirdly sewn together.
What is, then, the quality standard a lot of you talk about? Is it just the magic formula of nudity+guards banter+shady cringe humor=profit?
In summation:
There were good moments in terms of writing, but the development chaos really shows. The crucial arc - training Korra - lacks meaningful development based on your actions, with Korra periodically alternating between stubborn and slutty. I would appreciate her inability to learn from her mistakes as an accurate portrayal of LoK Korra, but I somehow doubt it was intended.
I would agree that they didn't seem to know what they're doing. I guess the basic structure was clear to them (Korra trainer => train Korra), but apart from that they probably just had a list of stuff they wanted to include and shoved it in at random. And so I would agree that a better story structure should be decided for love route in advance. And since I believe Marty proved capable to write at least as well as cbob, this could be used to clearly divvy up the work.
Overall, I appreciated B4SR as functionally fappable. It's not exactly Chekhov, but it works. And yes, slave routes are usually worse in terms of writing, but previous ones were at least coherent, with a streamlined story and didn't break immersion due to story parts being weirdly sewn together.
What is, then, the quality standard a lot of you talk about? Is it just the magic formula of nudity+guards banter+shady cringe humor=profit?
In summation:
- B4SR not as good as previous work
- Marty as good a writer as cbob
- Story structure is good AF
- As someone suggested earlier, remember to vote with your wallet! For me, it's a vote of no confidence.
Josh M Spicer
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Azula ending, Mai ending, and "Zuko ending" where it's basically what happens in canon but Azula's there to fight you.
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So my post about Christmas/more like January may not be as far off as some thought. I don't want people to take my hunch wrong , I am not paying and I am not bitching just like being a realist 
The game is worth waiting for. I don't really care what their reasons are to be honest it is what it is, there is nothing we can really do damned if you do damned if you don't if all the patrons leave game does not get finished, if Mity(the team) does not feel like working on this at the moment then we don't get an update either way we wait so sit back have a drink and relax , that sounds like a plan to me.
The game is worth waiting for. I don't really care what their reasons are to be honest it is what it is, there is nothing we can really do damned if you do damned if you don't if all the patrons leave game does not get finished, if Mity(the team) does not feel like working on this at the moment then we don't get an update either way we wait so sit back have a drink and relax , that sounds like a plan to me.
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I think from what we've seen of the Love Route so far, we have little to worry about. I mean they took Korra, a character I really didn't like very much after watching her show, and made me feel for her and actually be interested in her romance with MC in just like, an hour of playtime. If they continue as they are going now, I feel like we have nothing to worry about.
Something I'm seeing from this playthrough is that we're at the Avatar's endgame now
MC actually acts like a helpful, nice person to most of the people he interacts with. He encourages Ikki to think of herself as unique and special, he helps Korra gain her confidence and is gentle and kind with her, and hes already on Jinora's good side. We're not only seeing good writing with the characters he interacts with, but MC has actually changed signifigantly since the horny asshole we met in book 1.
Patience my friend, patience. This is going to be an amazing arc. Wait and see.
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Personally I kind of enjoyed the Mc's edginess even in the love routs better than the more emo way he is now and also in book 3, still like the game but when I play the love rout now and book 3 I don't find my self laughing as much. With korra her slave rout was over the top arrogance (actually totally insecure playing out with arrogance) and now in the love rout just insecure playing out in a pity party, if you think about it she has not really changed at all imo. I can't comment on whether it is cannon or not I have not watched any of the animations I lost interest in most western cartoons long ago although I have been told it has an anime feel to it. Maybe I will watch this sometime but I don't feel compelled to as a result of playing this game. Do love this game though very entertaining indeed.
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My post talking about the delay got removed due to "Off-topic". Well, that is 100% pure bullshit since everyone in this thread is talking about the delay lol. I'm thinking the real reason my post was removed was that I brought up previous suggestions that Mity might be milking (Which have merit).
Hey MODS, this is a DISCUSSION BOARD and If I want to bring up past accusations I should be able to. If not, you should delete every single post talking about the delay and not just the negative posts.
Hey MODS, this is a DISCUSSION BOARD and If I want to bring up past accusations I should be able to. If not, you should delete every single post talking about the delay and not just the negative posts.
Should I seek psychological help if the Jinora scenes made me cum buckets like no other scene on any of the books ever did? Lol.
I've been playing this game through the years, this was my first time playing through book 4 and Jinora surprisingly became one of it's stronger point for me out of the blue
I've been playing this game through the years, this was my first time playing through book 4 and Jinora surprisingly became one of it's stronger point for me out of the blue