VN Ren'Py Friends in Need [Ch.1 Remake v0.25] [NeonGhosts]

[Warspawnfury75]

Yeah, I agree. I understand getting frustrated when a character does something unbelievably stupid, but falling for a crypto scam... it happens all the time. And it isn't just the poor guy 'loser' stereotypes either, competent wealthy people fall for dumb shit too. Hell, rich people's dumb ideas usually do far more damage than some drunk guy in a trailer park.


Well, you can approach a VN from the wrong angle, or just fail to understand or vibe with what it's going for. Like I said, a character falling for a crypto scam at such a young age is an entirely normal thing to do. I don't understand why this would push someone's buttons so hard. It does a good job setting up the story, and it makes for a nice arc for our character; the arc doesn't happen in real time, but with each time jump, you see how it's affected him, or how he's changed as a person. It's a very typical plot & character progression and it's relatable, I just don't see the issue.


Oh yeah, I agree with you mostly. I just don't think either is necessarily the 'real you', as in, it's static and never-changing. The 'real you' is whoever you're being in the moment; in other words, people can grow and change and learn from mistakes. I guess I'm probably not saying anything you don't already agree with, maybe I took you too literally.

my only insert with this is, I'm a hyper-observant, empathic, systems level thinking neurodivergent and i see both sides

 

[Vidal the king of Pervert]

Yeah, I agree. I understand getting frustrated when a character does something unbelievably stupid, but falling for a crypto scam... it happens all the time. And it isn't just the poor guy 'loser' stereotypes either, competent wealthy people fall for dumb shit too. Hell, rich people's dumb ideas usually do far more damage than some drunk guy in a trailer park.


Well, you can approach a VN from the wrong angle, or just fail to understand or vibe with what it's going for. Like I said, a character falling for a crypto scam at such a young age is an entirely normal thing to do. I don't understand why this would push someone's buttons so hard. It does a good job setting up the story, and it makes for a nice arc for our character; the arc doesn't happen in real time, but with each time jump, you see how it's affected him, or how he's changed as a person. It's a very typical plot & character progression and it's relatable, I just don't see the issue.


Oh yeah, I agree with you mostly. I just don't think either is necessarily the 'real you', as in, it's static and never-changing. The 'real you' is whoever you're being in the moment; in other words, people can grow and change and learn from mistakes. I guess I'm probably not saying anything you don't already agree with, maybe I took you too literally.

yes we agree, although I wouldn't call it a mistake

A mistake is something you do that you didn't know was wrong

People who cheat know that cheating is wrong, they just don't care

the truth is, if you know right from wrong and if you love your significant other than 100 naked men or women could come your way

You wouldn't care

I don't need to shoot a man to know that shooting a man is wrong

The Ugly Truth is that cheating doesn't teach you anything, and it's not a learning experience

Cheeter just says that to make themselves feel better

 

[ffive]

Yeah, I agree. I understand getting frustrated when a character does something unbelievably stupid, but falling for a crypto scam... it happens all the time. And it isn't just the poor guy 'loser' stereotypes either, competent wealthy people fall for dumb shit too. Hell, rich people's dumb ideas usually do far more damage than some drunk guy in a trailer park.

Well, you can approach a VN from the wrong angle, or just fail to understand or vibe with what it's going for. Like I said, a character falling for a crypto scam at such a young age is an entirely normal thing to do. I don't understand why this would push someone's buttons so hard. It does a good job setting up the story, and it makes for a nice arc for our character; the arc doesn't happen in real time, but with each time jump, you see how it's affected him, or how he's changed as a person. It's a very typical plot & character progression and it's relatable, I just don't see the issue.

It's not really the crypto scam that's frustrating, imo. This is a single mistake that can happen to anyone, like you mention. It's also something that was part of the original setup, and it was never a problem there.

The annoyance comes from then having to sit and watch the MC being at length established as nothing but completely spineless sad sack who can only meekly nod at everything he's told without any pushback, for apparently decade+ straight (okay, maybe 15 minutes real time but with how much the game tries to make the point it also felt like a decade irl, too) with zero ability to influence that personality outside of a single +-1 light/dark decision whether he gets annoyed at skimpy dressed girls or at people who catcall them.

Neon acknowledged/explained himself that prologue Guy is a walking bag of neurosis and complexes and is that drawn-out presentation without any respite that's potentially testing the player's patience how much of that they want to keep watching. Like ffs, at least let me decide if i do actually drive a brick through that Kobalt ad to feel a bit better (i'll take dark points for that if i must) instead of just having to listen to mewling how no, MC whose personality i'm supposed to have a say in absolutely wouldn't do that because Reasons, i guess.

(this level of Guy's debasement also makes it harder to buy his training montage arc suddenly doing away with all that in mere months, but that's another story)

 

[PHIL101-YYouPPHard]

It's not really the crypto scam that's frustrating, imo. This is a single mistake that can happen to anyone, like you mention. It's also something that was part of the original setup, and it was never a problem there.

The annoyance comes from then having to sit and watch the MC being at length established as nothing but completely spineless sad sack who can only meekly nod at everything he's told without any pushback, for apparently decade+ straight (okay, maybe 15 minutes real time but with how much the game tries to make the point it also felt like a decade irl, too) with zero ability to influence that personality outside of a single +-1 light/dark decision whether he gets annoyed at skimpy dressed girls or at people who catcall them.

Neon acknowledged/explained himself that prologue Guy is a walking bag of neurosis and complexes and is that drawn-out presentation without any respite that's potentially testing the player's patience how much of that they want to keep watching. Like ffs, at least let me decide if i do actually drive a brick through that Kobalt ad to feel a bit better (i'll take dark points for that if i must) instead of just having to listen to mewling how no, MC whose personality i'm supposed to have a say in absolutely wouldn't do that because Reasons, i guess.

(this level of Guy's debasement also makes it harder to buy his training montage arc suddenly doing away with all that in mere months, but that's another story)

I can't really agree or disagree with you on that, as I haven't played the new chp 1 yet. The only thing I'll say is that, to me, the original chp 1 Guy already kinda felt like a loser to me, albeit a relatable one, so I guess it's not something I'm concerned about. I'll find out when I actually play.



On another note, man... I regret going through and reading earlier comments I missed. There's some people who comment here who make an effort to be as rude and dismissive as possible when expressing their opinions to the dev, and then when he gives it right back, they have the gall to act like he's crossed a line or something. If you can't eat it, don't serve it.

 

[fovk]

Тhere is no patch for remake chapter1?

 

[Sether0]

Тhere is no patch for remake chapter1?

The is the same for all versions:

label patch:
    $ patch = True
    return

 

[Ragnar]

I have no problems with how Guy origin is portrayed in the Remake. If anything the new Guy is more in tune with the character description. He's been always described as nerd or otaku but in the OG Chapter 1 it was not that obvious. The remake has a better starting point because the game will show how he goes from a kind of loser to a pillar of the community (at least in the good Guy path).

 

[SASHAKAMEN]

why chapter 1 remake is separate game ?

 

[Jack Townsend]

I have no problems with how Guy origin is portrayed in the Remake. If anything the new Guy is more in tune with the character description. He's been always described as nerd or otaku but in the OG Chapter 1 it was not that obvious. The remake has a better starting point because the game will show how he goes from a kind of loser to a pillar of the community (at least in the good Guy path).

I guess that's the main complaint people have been making. That the Remake enhances the good guy path, but diminishes the evil path. Are they wrong?

 

[LWtbo]

I guess that's the main complaint people have been making. That the Remake enhances the good guy path, but diminishes the evil path. Are they wrong?

Thats an ongoing argument that can't be resolved... some will tell you yes it do's, others will tell you no it doesn't.
So the only way for you to really know which side you consider to be correct is to play it yourself and then you can decide.

 

[Jebulus]

i enjoyed playing reincarnated crypto ted bundy

 

[Dessolos]

I guess that's the main complaint people have been making. That the Remake enhances the good guy path, but diminishes the evil path. Are they wrong?

depends on your pov. From what I read ( I haven't played it ) I prefer the new Dark path over the old. Since I never liked it when they try to give a MC justification for doing terrible things for the sake of revenge or punishment. I rather he is just an evil bastard if you are going to play that way without trying to justify it which is what the dark path felt like besides the old ch 1 Nicki scene to me.

 

[Elduriel]

depends on your pov. From what I read ( I haven't played it ) I prefer the new Dark path over the old. Since I never liked it when they try to give a MC justification for doing terrible things for the sake of revenge or punishment. I rather he is just an evil bastard if you are going to play that way without trying to justify it which is what the dark path felt like besides the old ch 1 Nicki scene to me.

I don't really care about the dark path anyway so I'm good

 

[Dessolos]

I don't really care about the dark path anyway so I'm good

Yeah I might just wait until I read the MC gets killed or arrested or something before I play it again cause that is the only reason for me to play that path tbh. Other than the 1 Ashe save I got but I don't go full in on the Dark Side on that 1 just 1 time to make for a rather confused Ashe and confusing MC lol. I hope that path actually leads to guy trying to redeem himself but probably won't happen.