armond
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Dessolos
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I know I was just saying on the good path it's better
It's kind of crazy how well written Mason's story is.
Don't want to give any spoilers, but it's one of the better story-lines in the game.
Don't want to give any spoilers, but it's one of the better story-lines in the game.
NewTricks
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Well, it still isn't done yet, so don't count your chickens and all that, but I will admit that it is among my favorites at this point.
That's not a good comparison, and that's not a mistake in the narrative structure for FiN. You go around making moral choices about sex and money throughout the game, and then an antagonist, whose presence and effects on the lives of others has been sprinkled throughout the story through various clues and hints, makes their debut.. and their theme is.. the worst horrible acts one can do with sex... and money.
I'm not trying to argue that your opinion of disliking the plot turn is wrong, btw. I get people not liking it, I mean it's always subjective and some people don't want this kind of stuff in their erotic VN. But, your post-hoc reasoning about it is a misfire, though, especially when you try to argue that there's something objectively wrong about it because there just isn't.
And, side note: I've seen a few films where it starts in one place and then totally switches the kind of film it is ~mid-way through and I still enjoyed them. Take From Dusk Till Dawn, for example (I'm sure there are better examples out there, but this is all I could think of for now
). Obviously, this film isn't a porn VN, and obviously it's subjective and a lot of people don't like it, but my only point is there are examples where big narrative/tonal switches can work and are well-received by many (maybe not the majority) and, in fact, maybe are kind of the point (it makes for an interesting watching experience). But, again, that's not at all what FiN has done.
ename144
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Obviously taste is subjective, but I would argue the game went from focusing on the MC and how his decisions affected those around him, to focusing on Lucien and how the MC measures up to him. The fact that Chapter 10 was bookended with a newly introduced, likable character purely to play up the dramatic irony as she inadvertently falls into Lucien's clutches shows just how big a presence Lucien has become overnight.
I know Neon believes a hero is only as good as his villain, but I think he's taking that metaphor way too literally. Prior to Lucien, the MC was effectively his own villain because of how different the story was depending on whether he broke bad rather than becoming a genuine philanthropist. Now it's about how he deals with our resident supervillain. The fact that Lucien's introduction is so tightly tied into Risa's personal storyline just makes it feel that much more intrusive on what used to be the MC's story.
Personally, I consider this change both discordant with the early game and and entirely unwelcome. You and many other disagree, which is certainly your prerogative. But that doesn't invalidate our reasoning for disliking the change.
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I don't really care that much about Lucien one way or the other. I still like my idea of hiring someone to remove Lucien as a problem, exfiltrate any girls there and torch his operation but Neon said no. You have to remember though that (unless they know about the patch) people on Patreon and people on Steam are largely playing a different game where Guy isn't really his own enemy, at least not nearly to the same extent. Maybe Neon wanted to give them a decent baddie to deal with.
In the game if I remember correctly, Lucien was blind in 1 eye right?
Because if that is the case, Lucien is probably a reference to Lucian Greaves who is the spokesperson and a founding member of the Satanic Temple in the US.
He tends to be kind of a contrarian, as well as one of the key public speakers for the Satanic Temple in the states.. I kind of want to see how his role develops as the story progresses.
I don't see the focus having shifted. You're still obviously making moral decisions about the LIs (and others, but mainly the LIs), that hasn't changed. The only thing that's happened is the plot has gotten more complexity and depth. Have to keep in mind that the amount of time it takes to make the game is a LOT longer than the amount of time it takes to play. The amount of content so far, while very impressive, is something a player could easily get through in 1-2 days. How would that feel to the player? It would feel like things are just getting started, almost like a... narrative setup or something.
But for all of us, who have been playing it in chunks for months if not years, it can be deceiving and feel like we've already established everything that the game will or should entail. I think that's actually the main issue going on with regulars here that perceive a big (unwelcome) shift, just my two cents.Anyways, personally, I like seeing guys duke it out, especially bad guys which is what I'm looking forward to on the dark route. Is it something I'd ask for in my VN? Personally, no, mostly because I play them for hanky panky more than a narrative experience. But, having said that, this game has really surprised me how receptive I am to a compelling story even if I'm trying to jerk my gherkin. And I think the game does a very, very good job of not getting in the way of that kind of player. Most other games that try to pull it off tend to get really annoying really fast, for whatever reason; pacing, dialogue, overuse of tropes, shit characters, boring scenes, and so on. I'm glad this one has avoided that so far.
I realize others disagree, but that's not what I'm pushing back on; if you're going to say the game is objectively flawed without offering a solid reason, or if you're going to make claims that just aren't true, like that the game isn't foreshadowing, then the argument is already invalidated and just waiting for someone to point it out. I mean, we've all done it; I'm all too aware of my own poor arguments I've made over the years
and I'm all too aware of the people that have pointed it out.. sometimes really rudely.
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Is MC the not the bad guy anymore ? As people is talking about a A bad guy in the recent chapters . Does MC get cucked and soft on his dark path?
NewTricks
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LOL no. The dark path is still a dark path, and this isn't an NTR game. It is only notable that there is a toned-down version on Patreon and a full version for Subscribestar.
Jarulf
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Good thing I never pay attention to achievements on Steam, if he does.Imagine if Neon puts an achievement in the steam version and to get it we can't have sex with any of the main LI
Such an evil thing but I would have to try and get it.
soldano
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Well, you should judge for yourself. In some ways, it has even darker plots, but with a different tone than it had at the beginning.
The biggest change is the remake of Chapter 1. But I don't want to sway your opinion. Play it and judge for yourself.
tanrgith
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not a fan of the remake stuff so far, feels like it's a lot of extra bloat to the opening that isn't needed, and also thought the original premise of her showing up specifically to try and get money from you, and then allowing you to choose how to deal with that was a more interesting approach