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Elduriel

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If you want something for backers that can't be leaked? Polls. Even if you don't want anything at all about the game itself to be determined by polls, you can let backers vote for bonus sets. People can leak the sets once they are made, but backers still got something exclusive.
just not on how the story should go and which character should be prioritized in the next update or stuff like that. It all goes downhill from there when the dev gives in to that.
 

zaqrwe

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Yep. Sorry, but basically if you don't have the patch enabled when you start a game, important variables and scripts aren't set in place, and enabling after the fact doesn't fix anything.

Technically, you could enable the patch in your save with URM, but.. in your 'vanilla' playthrough, you wouldn't have encountered or been able to choose any patch-quarantined content anyways, which some later dark choices/routes require. You would end up needing to fiddle with many other variables in the end. Plus, it could easily break things going forward.

It'd just be a pain in the ass for you, trust me.. far easier to start a new game. Can skip through previously read stuff and find your place again in less than 15 mins probably.
OK, something is definitely wrong with my game. I started new game with patch and I had all earlier 'dark' options avaible, even checked a few, yet starting from chapter 9 I just don't see them anymore. There was nothing while encountering Cherry and nothing in Motel with Risa(only option to wait until she sobers up), while walkthrough says there should be other options. How can I fix this? Is there perhaps separate patch for latest episodes different from the one linked in OP? Because I even tried to download game again from different link. So far from MEGA and Mixdrop and neither works with dark patch in E9.
 

TrixRabbit

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OK, something is definitely wrong with my game. I started new game with patch and I had all earlier 'dark' options avaible, even checked a few, yet starting from chapter 9 I just don't see them anymore. There was nothing while encountering Cherry and nothing in Motel with Risa(only option to wait until she sobers up), while walkthrough says there should be other options. How can I fix this? Is there perhaps separate patch for latest episodes different from the one linked in OP? Because I even tried to download game again from different link. So far from MEGA and Mixdrop and neither works with dark patch in E9.

You sure you didn't use a patch for the vanilla game?
 

Joshy92

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Well, some of you can give the old "that's just piracy on the internet" thing, which is true, we can't really control what others do aside from ourselves.. but I think it's fair to give devs their lines. We're getting their work for free, which is already pushing on nerves and something I personally have never felt great about, and yet some are even kind enough to give their limited support and let us pick their brain a little. I hope more of my fellow poors/free-riders concede some principle about it, for good of all, hmm? :)


Yep. Sorry, but basically if you don't have the patch enabled when you start a game, important variables and scripts aren't set in place, and enabling after the fact doesn't fix anything.

Technically, you could enable the patch in your save with URM, but.. in your 'vanilla' playthrough, you wouldn't have encountered or been able to choose any patch-quarantined content anyways, which some later dark choices/routes require. You would end up needing to fiddle with many other variables in the end. Plus, it could easily break things going forward.

It'd just be a pain in the ass for you, trust me.. far easier to start a new game. Can skip through previously read stuff and find your place again in less than 15 mins probably.
Yeah, I feel bad for playing the updates when they leak here too tbh. Especially because of how much work & passion NeonGhosts puts in this game.

Anyway, at the moment this is my most commented in thread but if NeonGhosts does leave I don't know if I'll bother with it anymore.
 

zaqrwe

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You sure you didn't use a patch for the vanilla game?
As I said previously. I had all the options during whole game TODAY and checked them as I skipped through old content. Only starting from CH9 I stopped to see the dark options. Also in the OP there is no vanilla version of 0.70B? The vanila is lower and only version 0.59
 

NeonGhosts

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With a landscape like the one in this niche market, a market full of pirate seites, subscribers or patrons don't sub just to get the game or whatever. Many patreon pages have less activity than their pirate forums siblings. Patreon and the such are patronage sites, you're giving money to artists because you enjoy their works not in exchange for goods.
I understand devs trying to give some exclusive content to attract more subs, but it would be hard to avoid leaks. Better count on it and don't take it bad because I have seen some famous devs going full retarded in that situation :HideThePain:
Sure, and I'm not operating from some stringent anti-piracy position, just asking for some consideration. This is a fairly new thing, having my paywalled stuff posted immediately after I post it on my own platforms. So, I don't think it's out of pocket for me to ask someone to cool it with that. Moreover, I even said that sharing a portion of the content, wouldn't be a huge deal to me. People have done that before, and I don't mind. Ditto for my Dev Updates, which are free to everyone. People are free to share those, and always have been.

I'm choosing to see this as someone (who obviously is supporting me with their money, so thanks!) being a bit overly enthusiastic about sharing my work, without realizing how I might feel about it. There's no hard feelings, I'm just making my position known.
 

Parcel

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If you want something for backers that can't be leaked? Polls. Even if you don't want anything at all about the game itself to be determined by polls, you can let backers vote for bonus sets. People can leak the sets once they are made, but backers still got something exclusive.
As someone who prefers devs make the content they're most enthusiastic about (which I can then back if I share some of that enthusiasm), I'm not a huge fan of polled content.

90+% of the time when devs do polls about what winds up in the game, I feel like the focus shifts in ways that are detrimental. Maybe one character gets focused on to the point that her content outstrips the others. Maybe every time there's an outfit vote, the skimpiest outfit gets picked.

As for extras, Neon already does a fair amount. I would never have voted for the mini-kinetic novel giving us a prequel of Alex's story, but that's what Neon wanted to make, and I'm happy we got it.

I don't have a solution to the larger issue, but polls certainly have their drawbacks, at least from my perspective.
 

NeonGhosts

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My general feeling towards polls is that I never give an option that I won't be comfortable implementing. So, I never have too much fear about being bullied into something I didn't really want to do. Plus, sometimes I can use the options that weren't chosen for What If? posts, which can be kind of fun. :D

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The one time a poll result kind of surprised me, was when I let people choose what Wren was going to look like. I had three options, with one being a pretty traditional, pale redhead, who I was sure would lock down the vote. Instead, everyone pretty overwhelmingly picked the version that now exists in-game. Still, even that made for a fun surprise, and a more interesting visual contrast between her and Ashe.

The bigger problem is that, since I'm running polls for both Friends Indeed and Friends in Need, I have to reckon with what happens if the vote splits. If it's an outfit poll, do I do two outfits and let the players choose in-game? Do I do one for FiN and one for FI? Do I do a run-off between the two most popular options? It's a situation that I haven't found myself in yet, because opinions have always aligned between platforms. But, it seems inevitable that it happen eventually. So, I'm not sure how often I want to spin the roulette wheel on that one.
 

winter2carrot

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Hey, I played your game and really liked it so I decided to support you. :) But I'd like to ask, do you have a preference between patreon, subscriber and boosty? And do you post on all three the same things or is there a difference?
 

NeonGhosts

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Hey, I played your game and really liked it so I decided to support you. :) But I'd like to ask, do you have a preference between patreon, subscriber and boosty? And do you post on all three the same things or is there a difference?
SubscribeStar would be my recommendation. Patreon is only for Friends Indeed/non-taboo content, and I made a Boosty just for my Russian fans that didn’t have a way to subscribe — but, it’s kind of a busted platform in some ways.

Thanks for the interest!
 

Azaz13

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just for my Russian fans
heyo one of those fans with a small request - change Viola's "spasiba bratan" from latest dialogue with Guy. I'm not joking, those two words kept me laughing yesterday for 10 mins straight. Unless we don't know somethin about her past ( image of this frail princess in tracksuit cannot be scrubbed from my mind, lmao thanks Neon), theres no way in hell this girl will use such word - believe it or not, girls in Russia dont use "bro" or "bruw" (ahah) adressing men twice their age.
Otherwise, game easily one of my favest on this site, keep up good work
 

NeonGhosts

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heyo one of those fans with a small request - change Viola's "spasiba bratan" from latest dialogue with Guy. I'm not joking, those two words kept me laughing yesterday for 10 mins straight. Unless we don't know somethin about her past ( image of this frail princess in tracksuit cannot be scrubbed from my mind, lmao thanks Neon), theres no way in hell this girl will use such word - believe it or not, girls in Russia dont use "bro" or "bruw" (ahah) adressing men twice their age.
Otherwise, game easily one of my favest on this site, keep up good work
This is actually a line ripped directly from my (younger, female) Russian friend, who's referred to me in that way. :'D It's meant to be a little ironic, with Viola goofing around with someone who isn't really catching all the nuances of her words.

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Ragnar

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This is actually a line ripped directly from my (younger, female) Russian friend, who's referred to me in that way. :'D It's meant to be a little ironic, with Viola goofing around with someone who isn't really catching all the nuances of her words.



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What's the plan now? Chapter 1 remake? Vacations? Viola content :love: ?
 

citrone

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im only at chapter 4 but man, i have to say 2 things:
- the MC is somehow creepier as a good guy (he talks like an old lady or old gay man?? honey :sick:) than as an asshole
- as a good guy, you are literally playing captain save a hoe with some of the most undeserving women i have ever seen in eroges

forgot to add, im still enjoying it very much.
 
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NeonGhosts

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Excuse me if you have said what next already bc I have missed.
What's the plan now? Chapter 1 remake? Vacations? Viola content :love: ?
The rest of this month I'm just doing some polish for the public version. All pledges will be suspended on the 29th, and then I'll be taking all of December off, not doing any rendering or blog updates. I'll still be working on the Chapter 1 script, but without so much pressure. The plan is to have it finished/mostly finished by the end of December, so I can jump right into rendering in January. Hoping that the revised Chapter 1 will land around 600 images, roughly doubling what's currently in Chapter 1. If all goes to plan, Chapter 1's revised version dropping around late February or early March.

Then, Chapter 11 with Gabby, Viola, Cassie, and Ashe, setting up Brittani's audition episode in Chapter 12. :D
 
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