VN Ren'Py Friends in Need [Ch.11 v0.72] [NeonGhosts]

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katzenstreu

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NeonGhosts said:
Chapter 11 will have an early focus on Cassie, before shifting focus to Gabby and Ashe, as they've been gone a bit. Ashe's content will also serve to set up Brittani's audition update. We'll also get a little montage to advance some developments with Viola, Alex, Mason, the bookstore, etc.
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no pepper again? :(
 
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NebulousShooter said:
I used to be a completionist in every single AVN I've played, I used to do saves even for the shittiest of routes, but in this I just can't play them anymore. Viola scene in particular on the dark path made me stop most of the dark content in any game I've played since. :cry:

Fuck that shit, Id rather go back and watch LiveLeak, like I used to when I was younger, easier to stomach.
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Don't mean to derail the thread, but who is the girl in your sig on the left? What game is she from?
 
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I was talking to my friends about narration and all in a story and I think FiN might be the only game I will continue to play that has it.

Most games I ignore or drop if it happens, but I like FiN so much it's not as irksome as in other games.
 
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What this game shows is how people will tolerate levels of abuse of trust if it helps them. It's actually quite natural for people to shape themselves in this way. Especially in the work place.
I play FIN as if I'm Ted Bundy. Those poor ladies really go thru some horrific experiences with me in this game.
But then I feel satisfied enough so I no longer need to build an actual sex dungeon under my house.
 
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ffive said:
Obviously, if you're presented with a choice "would you rather have $800 or $1000?" people will pick the latter, that's a no-brainer. But at the same time, how many do you think would opt not to be with that "perfect girl who is a bit of a bitch" if they weren't presented with the absolutely perfect alternative? For how many do you think that bit of a bitch would be an absolute deal breaker, outweighing all her positive qualities?

My point was that, to continue with this analogy, if the presented choice was instead "would you rather be with a perfect girl who is a bit of a bitch or one who is nice but that's all she's got" then, realistically, many people would pick former over the latter. Because then it's a choice between "would you rather have $800 or $200?"

That Guy is kind doesn't really play much of a role in him getting girls in his life. In fact, you can play a "not nice" Guy who is more than a bit of a bitch to people. But all the other power advantages he still enjoys ensure that he doesn't just end up ostracized and Forever Alone.


I probably am, because the whole "he's a good listener" thing reminds me too much of many other games by male developers, who reduce this concept to "the girl tells you a few facts/preferences and then you get quizzed if you remembered them". Although note, the ones i've singled out were the cases where the "interesting interactions" were imo lacking, in the sense the only thing Guy really demonstrates is that he can sit with the girl and nod sagely for couple hours, before she's all but ready to jump on his cock. (OK, in case of Brittani he also gets to demonstrate that he's not a creep who'd immediately start to molest and abuse her. But that's another of those really low bars more than anything else)

But again, to some extent this is the game working with limitations and timeline constraints that it has (and the author did post that some of it is going to be addressed) so... it is what it is.
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I feel like you're not really responding to what I'm arguing, I don't know if you feel the same way. I never said in any of my comments that Guy was only kind, I said he's also kind (and generous), as a bonus. So your analogy doesn't really apply tbh.

I think at the end of the day, it depends on the person and what they want from a relationship, and also where they grew up. For example, if they grew up in a dangerous place, then they might see kindness as a huge vulnerability and not be interested in it at all. And if they want stability and connection and someone that's comfortable to be around and doesn't make them feel like shit, then they're obviously going to be looking for someone who's kind... as well as a bunch of other things. Again, not just kind, obviously, but kind, plus x, plus y, plus z, typical things you'd expect. Most people are looking for multiple things in a partner.
 
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ffive said:
I mean, i think we're pretty much on the same page, but just to be a devil's advocate for a second -- these are basically all boiling down to "Guy is a 'great listener'" i.e. that whole "can provide a basic service every other guy can provide" thing the article you brought up so rightfully mocks.
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This skips over all the other things Nice Guy is doing to demonstrate value, though. His work, his hobbies, etc. Anyone looking at him doesn't just see "nice guy" but "nice guy who runs a charity, exercises, and can talk your ear off about his travels, hobbies, etc." There's a reason why, on the Dark Guy path, he looks around his game room and wonders why he ever wanted all this crap. But, on the Nice Guy path, he tells Maya that he bought all that stuff, so his friends could come play with him. Nice Guy has kept his hobbies and interests mostly intact, while Dark Guy is turning into someone whose only real interest is having power over other people.

Also, active listening is a skill. Ever talk with someone about your interests, and their replies are limited to, "Oh, wow. Wow. Crazy. Wow." Nice Guy, generally speaking, is going back and forth, listening and then using what he learns to engage with the girls. So, Nice Guy doesn't just listen to Maya and Carolina, and go on with his day. He goes out of his way to grab a book that Maya needs for school, and hand-delivers it to an exhausted Carolina, so she doesn't have to find a copy after work. He doesn't just listen to Ashe talk about her job. He volunteers to use his connection with a well-known photographer, to secure photo prints that will help her impress her boss, and secure her position.

All that said, you're right in pointing out that I'm constrained by the realities of the time available to me, the expectations of players to have some front-loaded sexy content, etc. As Chapter 11 will see us jump ahead a bit, I'd like to use that to show these relationships developing in a meaningful way, with the player able to more actively engage with some of the love interests' hobbies, interests, etc. Hopefully, I'll be able to work in some more one-on-one dates, as with Ashe. Buuuut, probably a bit more limited in scope..
 
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The evil path would be not helping her mother and then still locking up Viola in your private dungeon somewhere. But I disagree sometimes the "evil" paths are fine. Especially if they aren't too dark and the girl has no redeeming quality.
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I like dark paths. However, that option would be very uninteresting for a game like FiN. Ok, you put Viola in a dungeon. And then what? Do you rape her over and over again? The game would get boring very quickly.
It's much more interesting to blackmail her, frankly. That's much more playable.
 
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Splitzzk said:
IS there a Harem type Route in this game??
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If you mean you're fucking them all in the same house at the same time and they love it or whatever, then nah. If you mean you can fuck multiple LIs throughout the game without consequences, then sort of; depends on the route and the specific LI and whether you commit to them romantically, which hasn't happened yet for majority of them.
 
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PHIL101-YYouPPHard said:
If you mean you're fucking them all in the same house at the same time and they love it or whatever, then nah. If you mean you can fuck multiple LIs throughout the game without consequences, then sort of; depends on the route and the specific LI and whether you commit to them romantically, which hasn't happened yet for majority of them.
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I've gave the boot to Ashe, it was so satisfying. :devilish: :LOL:
 
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Dessolos said:
I agree then they both can get wet and naked and have sex with each other while guy watches in Joshy92 lesbian watching chair
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God I wish I had two girlfriends I'd watch them have hot lesbian sex every day.
I mean imagine some of these babes putting on some sort of lesbian show for us. I'd be there filming ever second of it.

Lesbians are the best.
 
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