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One of the things I like about FiN is that I don't think there are any girls with no redeeming qualities.
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Kindness doesn't put food on the table, I realize that. But as an added bonus? I mean, as long as he isn't a pushover, and Guy isn't that, I don't see why generosity and kindness on top of all the other qualities wouldn't be a factor, especially for the ones who are used to being manipulated, lied to, or treated like shit. You're telling me if you had a choice between almost the perfect woman who's a bit of a bitch, versus the perfect woman who treats you with love and respect, you wouldn't pick the second one in a heartbeat?
And honestly, people don't all seek the exact same things in a relationship; believe it or not, some women do make it a point to be with a nice guy... maybe not just a nice guy that has nothing else going for him, but they have enough self-respect to not be strung around by a shithead. Just like some guys wouldn't always go for the hottest woman they could get, but might be keen towards a sweet personality that wouldn't make him want to stick a gun in his mouth every morning
How so? He doesn't just listen to them, he has interesting interactions. I think you're not giving Guy enough credit here, and also I think you're over-simplifying the LIs and what appeals to them. Women are complicated, but they're also as simple as everyone else. People connect through interests all the time. Some of them even find love and marriage eventually! Because who honestly doesn't love the idea of spending the rest of your life with someone, if that's what you want anyways, who likes the same things you like? Instead of some unfortunate relationships where one's idea of fun is the other's idea of a lost day.
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Even worse, one might even ask if all women are always or per se interested in kindness in a guy in the first place. Contrapoint had some interesting points about that in her 3 hour youtube video on Twilight.Kindness doesn't put food on the table, I realize that. But as an added bonus? I mean, as long as he isn't a pushover, and Guy isn't that, I don't see why generosity and kindness on top of all the other qualities wouldn't be a factor, especially for the ones who are used to being manipulated, lied to, or treated like shit. You're telling me if you had a choice between almost the perfect woman who's a bit of a bitch, versus the perfect woman who treats you with love and respect, you wouldn't pick the second one in a heartbeat?
And honestly, people don't all seek the exact same things in a relationship; believe it or not, some women do make it a point to be with a nice guy... maybe not just a nice guy that has nothing else going for him, but they have enough self-respect to not be strung around by a shithead. Just like some guys wouldn't always go for the hottest woman they could get, but might be keen towards a sweet personality that wouldn't make him want to stick a gun in his mouth every morning
How so? He doesn't just listen to them, he has interesting interactions. I think you're not giving Guy enough credit here, and also I think you're over-simplifying the LIs and what appeals to them. Women are complicated, but they're also as simple as everyone else. People connect through interests all the time. Some of them even find love and marriage eventually! Because who honestly doesn't love the idea of spending the rest of your life with someone, if that's what you want anyways, who likes the same things you like? Instead of some unfortunate relationships where one's idea of fun is the other's idea of a lost day.
(recommended watch if you do like a bit of philosophy)Also what is too often forgotten in this discussion that people (yes both man and woman) can act nice without being nice. "Being" nice should be a main characteristic for both sexes to look out for in a partner, "acting" nice should be avoided as it most of the time mostly virtue signaling and a way to get what that person wants. ( In a way not to dissimilar as trying to look more wealthy as you are
a kind of fraud game) Learning the difference between those two things might be one of the best life skills to develop and if never do you will get seriously hurt in life whether a man or a woman.Edit: So yeah especially that pretty woman that is been nice to 36 times a day should learn that difference as should a guy as Guy. Or to bring it back to game it is part of the trap Nicky fell into with Brent and after.
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That's true, some women end in abusive relationships because they seek that type of dudes. It's a complex issue and I don't think a porn vn is the best place to discuss it seriously, but the game already cover it in the corruption routes. Nikki and Ashe like to be abused to some degree.
Obviously, if you're presented with a choice "would you rather have $800 or $1000?" people will pick the latter, that's a no-brainer. But at the same time, how many do you think would opt not to be with that "perfect girl who is a bit of a bitch" if they weren't presented with the absolutely perfect alternative? For how many do you think that bit of a bitch would be an absolute deal breaker, outweighing all her positive qualities?
My point was that, to continue with this analogy, if the presented choice was instead "would you rather be with a perfect girl who is a bit of a bitch or one who is nice but that's all she's got" then, realistically, many people would pick former over the latter. Because then it's a choice between "would you rather have $800 or $200?"
That Guy is kind doesn't really play much of a role in him getting girls in his life. In fact, you can play a "not nice" Guy who is more than a bit of a bitch to people. But all the other power advantages he still enjoys ensure that he doesn't just end up ostracized and Forever Alone.
I probably am, because the whole "he's a good listener" thing reminds me too much of many other games by male developers, who reduce this concept to "the girl tells you a few facts/preferences and then you get quizzed if you remembered them". Although note, the ones i've singled out were the cases where the "interesting interactions" were imo lacking, in the sense the only thing Guy really demonstrates is that he can sit with the girl and nod sagely for couple hours, before she's all but ready to jump on his cock. (OK, in case of Brittani he also gets to demonstrate that he's not a creep who'd immediately start to molest and abuse her. But that's another of those really low bars more than anything else)
But again, to some extent this is the game working with limitations and timeline constraints that it has (and the author did post that some of it is going to be addressed) so... it is what it is.
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Don't mean to derail the thread, but who is the girl in your sig on the left? What game is she from?I used to be a completionist in every single AVN I've played, I used to do saves even for the shittiest of routes, but in this I just can't play them anymore. Viola scene in particular on the dark path made me stop most of the dark content in any game I've played since.
Fuck that shit, Id rather go back and watch LiveLeak, like I used to when I was younger, easier to stomach.
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I was talking to my friends about narration and all in a story and I think FiN might be the only game I will continue to play that has it.
Most games I ignore or drop if it happens, but I like FiN so much it's not as irksome as in other games.
Most games I ignore or drop if it happens, but I like FiN so much it's not as irksome as in other games.
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What this game shows is how people will tolerate levels of abuse of trust if it helps them. It's actually quite natural for people to shape themselves in this way. Especially in the work place.
I play FIN as if I'm Ted Bundy. Those poor ladies really go thru some horrific experiences with me in this game.
But then I feel satisfied enough so I no longer need to build an actual sex dungeon under my house.
I play FIN as if I'm Ted Bundy. Those poor ladies really go thru some horrific experiences with me in this game.
But then I feel satisfied enough so I no longer need to build an actual sex dungeon under my house.
I feel like you're not really responding to what I'm arguing, I don't know if you feel the same way. I never said in any of my comments that Guy was only kind, I said he's also kind (and generous), as a bonus. So your analogy doesn't really apply tbh.
I think at the end of the day, it depends on the person and what they want from a relationship, and also where they grew up. For example, if they grew up in a dangerous place, then they might see kindness as a huge vulnerability and not be interested in it at all. And if they want stability and connection and someone that's comfortable to be around and doesn't make them feel like shit, then they're obviously going to be looking for someone who's kind... as well as a bunch of other things. Again, not just kind, obviously, but kind, plus x, plus y, plus z, typical things you'd expect. Most people are looking for multiple things in a partner.
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This skips over all the other things Nice Guy is doing to demonstrate value, though. His work, his hobbies, etc. Anyone looking at him doesn't just see "nice guy" but "nice guy who runs a charity, exercises, and can talk your ear off about his travels, hobbies, etc." There's a reason why, on the Dark Guy path, he looks around his game room and wonders why he ever wanted all this crap. But, on the Nice Guy path, he tells Maya that he bought all that stuff, so his friends could come play with him. Nice Guy has kept his hobbies and interests mostly intact, while Dark Guy is turning into someone whose only real interest is having power over other people.
Also, active listening is a skill. Ever talk with someone about your interests, and their replies are limited to, "Oh, wow. Wow. Crazy. Wow." Nice Guy, generally speaking, is going back and forth, listening and then using what he learns to engage with the girls. So, Nice Guy doesn't just listen to Maya and Carolina, and go on with his day. He goes out of his way to grab a book that Maya needs for school, and hand-delivers it to an exhausted Carolina, so she doesn't have to find a copy after work. He doesn't just listen to Ashe talk about her job. He volunteers to use his connection with a well-known photographer, to secure photo prints that will help her impress her boss, and secure her position.
All that said, you're right in pointing out that I'm constrained by the realities of the time available to me, the expectations of players to have some front-loaded sexy content, etc. As Chapter 11 will see us jump ahead a bit, I'd like to use that to show these relationships developing in a meaningful way, with the player able to more actively engage with some of the love interests' hobbies, interests, etc. Hopefully, I'll be able to work in some more one-on-one dates, as with Ashe. Buuuut, probably a bit more limited in scope..
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One-on-one dates? Sign me the fuck up. Maybe there could be a few choices and at the end of the date the LI comments how she feels about it depending on our choices?
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I like dark paths. However, that option would be very uninteresting for a game like FiN. Ok, you put Viola in a dungeon. And then what? Do you rape her over and over again? The game would get boring very quickly.
It's much more interesting to blackmail her, frankly. That's much more playable.
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If you mean you're fucking them all in the same house at the same time and they love it or whatever, then nah. If you mean you can fuck multiple LIs throughout the game without consequences, then sort of; depends on the route and the specific LI and whether you commit to them romantically, which hasn't happened yet for majority of them.
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Posted a new Wanton Weekends photoset in the usual places. Guy's rounded up some help to staff a charity car wash!
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