NeonGhosts

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Good news! Finished up Mason's first saucy scene today, which was one of two big roadblocks I needed to smash for this chapter. I still need to do some renders for what comes after the spicy content (hint: snuggles) but I'm hoping I'll have time on Thursday to finish that up. Then I'll be able to package a new build for $15+ patrons, and finish the last few scenes for the update. Currently thinking the update will land very close to the end of this month/beginning of next.

Here, have a Gabby image I planned to include in the game, but didn't.

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The problem is it looks like way too many characters are being introduced while the original characters get ignored or get little screen time to make way for the character of the hour. There should be more focus on Nicki, Gabi, and Brittani.
I definitely get where you're coming from, but the game was always meant to be an ensemble cast. In my original draft, several characters weren't there, and it just felt a bit bare as a result. Once I added Ashe, Viola, Carolina, etc. it started to feel a lot more lively.

And I think the next chapter will kind of show how some girls will have their stories begin to intersect with others. Pepper's story has the potential to pull you further into Gabby's. Viola and Ashe's story intersect with Brittani's in a way that people may not expect. Carolina's story has a connection to Gabby and Madison's. And on and on.

That said, I've been pretty adamant about not adding any more 'main' characters, outside the ones we've already seen. Characters may pop up for special events, or a little background flavor, like Risa or the upcoming Wren. But they're there more to serve the stories of characters like Carolina or Ashe.
 

minoslune

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Just firing up this game and one thing really caught my eye, there is a patch that removes one character, nikki, from the game. Lmao is she THAT bad? what does a character do to have people asking modders to remove her? lol
 
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Just firing up this game and one thing really caught my eye, there is a patch that removes one character, nikki, from the game. Lmao is she THAT bad? what does a character do to have people asking modders to remove her? lol
Just a bunch of edgelords whining because Nicki took a lot of time to free herself from past abusive relationships. But from the images i get the feeling the patch is a joke over those people. :ROFLMAO:


And to answer your question she is one of the most fleshed out characters in this game so far.
 

minoslune

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Just a bunch of edgelords whining because Nicki took a lot of time to free herself from past abusive relationships. But from the images i get the feeling the patch is a joke over those people. :ROFLMAO:


And to answer your question she is one of the most fleshed out characters in this game so far.
Thanks for the reply, king, lol never had seen people angry like that before.
 
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Just firing up this game and one thing really caught my eye, there is a patch that removes one character, nikki, from the game. Lmao is she THAT bad? what does a character do to have people asking modders to remove her? lol
I just completed the content for the first time. Her story is (seemingly intentionally) meant to make you a bit angry at her. Honestly though, the anger at her in the thread is waaaaaay out of proportion.

She's a well written character and believably stubborn. Doesn't deserve even a fraction of the hate IMO.
 

minoslune

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I just completed the content for the first time. Her story is (seemingly intentionally) meant to make you a bit angry at her. Honestly though, the anger at her in the thread is waaaaaay out of proportion.

She's a well written character and believably stubborn. Doesn't deserve even a fraction of the hate IMO.
I guess that means she´s just THAT well written, since its intentional
 

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I guess that means she´s just THAT well written, since its intentional
Yeah, she's just a bit stupid/naive, no much pity for her but nothin' to hate too
Most flashed Character, more emotions then all other girls together tbh (for now)

Personally I'd like her to do more stupid decisions but sadly it will involve "three scary letters" and rivers of tears will flow...
 

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Any tech-savvy folks wanna help a luddite out? I'm finally looking to upgrade my GPU, as that 8 GB of VRAM on my 3060 is really becoming an obstacle as I get more ambitious. Plus, I think it's only right to reinvest some of my Patreon money back into the game.

Soooo, I'm looking at either a 3090 with 24 GB VRAM, or a 4080 with 16 GB VRAM. 4080's a bit cheaper, and even with "only" 16 GB, .

My current system has the following stuff in it:
  • 4x CM MasterFans RGB
  • Cooler Master TD500 RGB
  • 700W ATX 80 Plus Gold
  • NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Ti 8GB
  • 500GB NVMe M.2 + 2TB HDD
  • 16GB DDR4 Dual Channel
  • Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo
  • ASUS Z690-P D4 | INTEL
  • Intel Core i5-12600K 10-Core
I guess the main consideration in swapping in a new GPU is the PSU. Based on what I've read re: compatibility requirements, it'd probably be smart to upgrade to a 1000W unit either way. But, do I need to worry about cooling? I've read some of these beefier GPUs can run pretty hot, and I don't have any kind of fancy liquid cooling setup.
 

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Can't help you on the GPU cause DAZ has other needs compared to the common use.

But, do I need to worry about cooling? I've read some of these beefier GPUs can run pretty hot, and I don't have any kind of fancy liquid cooling setup.
Not really. Liquid cooling is only marginally better, but it's basically neglectable.
Just keep a neutral or negative airflow (outtake higher than the intake) and try to keep the case higher than the ground level (dust accomulates there and is consequently slurped inside the case by the fans since it's pushing more air out than what's pushed in; even 20cm off the ground will have massive results).

Another advice would be to not cheapen out on the PSU. You're setting up a system that'll render for many hours every day, that might run while you're sleeping or outside. You need something reliable and the PSU is the single most critical component in the system. Try looking for at least a GOLD certified PSU.
 

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But, do I need to worry about cooling?
You should be fine, your case is airflow oriented (mesh front right?) and this GPUs have good enough coolers (but some have better one than others, it's always worth to do some research with one is better when you decide what GPU you want).
As for PSU, ~I would say that 750W is minimum for this cards, but the quality of PSU is as important as wattage (there is tier list of PSU, just google it - cultists network if I remember correctly). Saying all that, I would feel better having 850W+ for that kind of cards.

As for with one gpu for rendering, no idea, from what I saw most devs here going for 4090 :p.
For gaming 4080 was "bad value" on release, wonder how it's now... :)
 
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Any tech-savvy folks wanna help a luddite out?
I dunno if tech-savvy people want to destroy tech in order to help luddites :p

Origin of the word luddite iirc goes to the start of industrialisation and folks who got fired due to new automation, who then went on to wanting to destroy that said new technological innovation, in order to get their jobs back :geek:
 

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Any tech-savvy folks wanna help a luddite out?
Daz Studio will kill your Vram before anything else.

I have a 3080ti and a 3090ti stuffed in a case with a Ryzen 5000 / 128gb of ram.

I still need to be mindful of how many detailed Gen 8 models I toss into a scene along with environments and HDRIs.

If you exceed the VRAM, it won't matter how fast the card is, it will all get dumped to your CPU/Ram anyway.

But since you are used to stuffing as much in 8gb and the 4080 is a faster card than the 3090, I would vote for the 4080.

HOWEVER, there is the Holy Daz Bible Rendering Thread to consider.



But at the end of the day, Daz Studio has odd requirements because of how GPUs are created.

You need more power AND more VRAM, but Nvidia likes to play with numbers (and our wallets).
 

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Any tech-savvy folks wanna help a luddite out? I'm finally looking to upgrade my GPU, as that 8 GB of VRAM on my 3060 is really becoming an obstacle as I get more ambitious. Plus, I think it's only right to reinvest some of my Patreon money back into the game.

Soooo, I'm looking at either a 3090 with 24 GB VRAM, or a 4080 with 16 GB VRAM. 4080's a bit cheaper, and even with "only" 16 GB, .

My current system has the following stuff in it:
  • 4x CM MasterFans RGB
  • Cooler Master TD500 RGB
  • 700W ATX 80 Plus Gold
  • NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Ti 8GB
  • 500GB NVMe M.2 + 2TB HDD
  • 16GB DDR4 Dual Channel
  • Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo
  • ASUS Z690-P D4 | INTEL
  • Intel Core i5-12600K 10-Core
I guess the main consideration in swapping in a new GPU is the PSU. Based on what I've read re: compatibility requirements, it'd probably be smart to upgrade to a 1000W unit either way. But, do I need to worry about cooling? I've read some of these beefier GPUs can run pretty hot, and I don't have any kind of fancy liquid cooling setup.
TL;DR You should still be good on PSU for the 4080, the 3090 might be problematic.

Your CPU maxes out at 150W unless you're overclocking it, so a lot of power left for your GPU from that PSU. Suggested PSU for the 3090 is 750W, it's rated as using 350W (and could be higher depending on manufacturer/version). Suggested PSU for the 4080 is 700W, it's rated at 320W.

I'd stick with air cooling for simplicity, but an all-in-one radiator and waterblock for your CPU might help it if it's getting thermally throttled or just running hotter than you like. If your temps do go up, you can always look at adding more case fans or getting ones that move air more efficiently. Noctua are what I use for heavy duty, high air flow. For less noise you can always check if you can up your case fan size if they are 120mm to 140mm (your case supports 140mm fans in front and up top).
 

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TL;DR You should still be good on PSU for the 4080, the 3090 might be problematic.

Your CPU maxes out at 150W unless you're overclocking it, so a lot of power left for your GPU from that PSU. Suggested PSU for the 3090 is 750W, it's rated as using 350W (and could be higher depending on manufacturer/version). Suggested PSU for the 4080 is 700W, it's rated at 320W.

I'd stick with air cooling for simplicity, but an all-in-one radiator and waterblock for your CPU might help it if it's getting thermally throttled or just running hotter than you like. If your temps do go up, you can always look at adding more case fans or getting ones that move air more efficiently. Noctua are what I use for heavy duty, high air flow. For less noise you can always check if you can up your case fan size if they are 120mm to 140mm (your case supports 140mm fans in front and up top).
Isn't the issue with the PSU that ideally you want at least double the rated maximum wattage available? IIRC the new ATX standard allows 700w PSU's to safely output a maximum of 1400w in the spikes these modern GPU's have.

Any tech-savvy folks wanna help a luddite out?
If it were up to me, I would probably go for a 1000w PSU, simply because it would reduce load a bit, which should reduce wear on it.

Cooling should be fine, as the card's cooler itself is adequate for cooling it. Fresh air supply might be a constraint, though, because it's not a mesh front case (if I'm looking at the right model). You could always add some fans to the top, and replace your current fans with Noctua's if that's not enough. Alternatively, just remove the front panel, and run the fans at full speed...

As for the GPU, if you deem 16gb VRAM enough, the 4080 would be better, as it simply performs better. Ultimately it's a question of time versus VRAM. If you want more complex scenes, and aren't really time-constrained with your renders, picking the card with more VRAM would allow that, it would just be slower.
 

minoslune

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Question, does taking the allergy pills do anything? feels kinda random to just go into the bathroom and stealing them haha, Im not sure what the implications are
 
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If you treat her well she jumps on your dick. So let's see:
- She has a boyfriend.
- She just met the MC.
- She repays kindness with sex.
Looks like a deviant to me :WeSmart:
Keep in mind she also
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, so.... I think that completely changes her situation. In that light, she's absolutely an innocent like Viola. :cry:

Now I want a pimp route just to see the world burn :BootyTime:
Haha, ok, don't judge me too hard guys, but... my opinion on sharing has been changed slightly (read: drastically) by Desert Stalker, so.... I'd actually be down for some dominant sharing by MC, i.e. pimping a LI, making her pleasure another preferably nameless faceless guy, things like that. That wouldn't be NTR strictly speaking, as there's no betrayal or shaming of the MC; it'd be sharing/swinging, though a darker more dominant version of it in my example. People are honestly way too quick to shove everything into the NTR umbrella, which I'd argue is a very different kink compared to sharing. Or hell, even having a more open relationship wouldn't be that bad for like one or two girls, even though that's not my cup of tea. Regardless, don't think any of this is planned by Neon so not going to happen, but just saying... your comment has sparked some ideas in me :ROFLMAO:

Oh I like Nikki Character, it's heresy to remove her.
Still no pity for her at all, noone forced her to date an asshole (for how long?) and it's surely not a surprise for her, so let her meet consequences. Bad choise, one bad choise... oh c'mon women are not that stupid and still choose "Alpha bad Boys" instead "Beta good boys", and then cry 'bout one bad decision and "I though he'll change in time" bullshit :HideThePain:
I understand your perspective entirely, but keep in mind that some people literally have a personality that's more susceptible to being taken advantage of to the point that some of them require training by professionals to protect themselves from falling prey to these abusers over and over again. Some of these women were born that way, but others developed that personality due to abuse (perhaps even sexual..) in their past. Why do they develop that personality? Well, you can imagine a young adolescent finding out the hard way that indulging their abuser leads to less pain and suffering than resisting... and that rewires their brain and affects them for the rest of their life. Disgusting, isn't it? So, what may look on the surface like a person being naive, foolish, or stupid may in fact be a survival strategy they were forced into early on in their life that only now in adulthood away from their childhood abuser runs counter to their survival (assuming the original abuse is not ongoing, which is not always the case).

Also remember that some of these men who do the abusing specifically use strategies, whether conscious or subconscious, to prevent these women from escaping. This is observed by professionals on the matter, btw, not just me giving my opinion. For example, men who ruthlessly stalk women will many times scare any and all potential new male interests away from the woman (through intimidation, violence, etc.) to the point where she will feel helpless but to accept him... I understand that not all women are victims and not all their circumstances are as sympathetic as they let on or that society tells us, but there are plenty of women who legitimately have such sad predicaments fully worth our empathy. Not entirely sure what Neon has in mind for Nikki, but it's entirely possible that she's in this category I've just described instead of simply being "stupid, naive" etc.

But, I do keep toying with the idea of having one dark romance option, with a girl who indulges your darker impulses. But, I'd have to figure out how to approach it.. It's one of those things that's easy to go a bit cartoonish with. But yeah, unsympathetic girls are definitely cumming.
There are people who literally orgasm every time they shit, we're already in a cartoon world brother! So anything's possible I guess? :p:ROFLMAO:
 
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Question, does taking the allergy pills do anything? feels kinda random to just go into the bathroom and stealing them haha, Im not sure what the implications are
It might just be a stab at satire as almost every sandbox game has a scene where the MC steal pills to drug the love interests in order to get a sleepy sex scene. Perhaps this time it will be subverted and it will just cause Gaby's dad to not have any relief from his hay fever when he comes home.
 
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