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Why does any of that even matter? Just curious. As I really am not comfortable with knowing certain things. Like with my RL sister, I don't ask many questions when she pops up. Mainly if she's ok and do I need to kick someone's ass. Nothing else really matters to me. But, at least my sister would dump a piece of shit like Nicki's bf.
The thing is, she is not MC's sister; she is her main love interest. She is practically using him and emotionally blackmailing him. The developer says they are good friends and have always helped each other in the past. Even mentioned in game, but after people make up their minds about her, she helped him when he needed it and he helped her when she needed it; and she was with her boyfriend out of necessity, not love; but it was too late for the decision. So, it matters because we can make educated decisions about her; we would have a positive bias about her. Up until the decision point, she did not even deserve to be heard after she mentioned money.

For example, MC mentioned he lost his car and had to cycle to work every day, and she didn't even know about it. If we know the background of it, this could swing both ways. If she didn't even notice MC cycling to work, if she didn't even bother to ask, then she is not a friend, just a leech trying to suck money off of MC for her boyfriend's debts while she knew MC was in love with her. Or maybe she dug; she wanted to know, but MC did not tell her out of his pride. She might have tried to help him, tried to give him some money for the bus when it rained, but MC refused. You cannot blame her for this, can you? So like I said without background of events, things can swing both ways.

Now, when you try to tell a story and you are vague about something, you are risking having readers fill in the gaps with their own ideas. When they fill the gaps, it's nearly impossible to change them. If this is about some side character, it won't matter too much and even can add some depth to the story, but if you are doing it for the main focused character, it is an incredible risk. Clearly, dev doesn't want us to fill those gaps with negative things, so it is important that dev fill these gaps themselves. That's why that matters.

Like you said, if you see your sister in Nicki, you fill these gaps positively; if someone else sees their toxic ex, they fill the gaps negatively; if someone like me, who approaches everything with a grain of salt, expects the worst from her, and so on. Leaving some plot points vague and letting readers fill them is an extremely good branching method; you let people decide what they think about certain people, then branch accordingly, but if you want people to think a certain way, you should tell them. How you do that would be your writing skill, but you have to.
 
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The thing is, she is not MC's sister; she is her main love interest. She is practically using him and emotionally blackmailing him. The developer says they are good friends and have always helped each other in the past. Even mentioned in game, but after people make up their minds about her, she helped him when he needed it and he helped her when she needed it; and she was with her boyfriend out of necessity, not love; but it was too late for the decision. So, it matters because we can make educated decisions about her; we would have a positive bias about her. Up until the decision point, she did not even deserve to be heard after she mentioned money.

For example, MC mentioned he lost his car and had to cycle to work every day, and she didn't even know about it. If we know the background of it, this could swing both ways. If she didn't even notice MC cycling to work, if she didn't even bother to ask, then she is not a friend, just a leech trying to suck money off of MC for her boyfriend's debts while she knew MC was in love with her. Or maybe she dug; she wanted to know, but MC did not tell her out of his pride. She might have tried to help him, tried to give him some money for the bus when it rained, but MC refused. You cannot blame her for this, can you? So like I said without background of events, things can swing both ways.

Now, when you try to tell a story and you are vague about something, you are risking having readers fill in the gaps with their own ideas. When they fill the gaps, it's nearly impossible to change them. If this is about some side character, it won't matter too much and even can add some depth to the story, but if you are doing it for the main focused character, it is an incredible risk. Clearly, dev doesn't want us to fill those gaps with negative things, so it is important that dev fill these gaps themselves. That's why that matters.

Like you said, if you see your sister in Nicki, you fill these gaps positively; if someone else sees their toxic ex, they fill the gaps negatively; if someone like me, who approaches everything with a grain of salt, expects the worst from her, and so on. Leaving some plot points vague and letting readers fill them is an extremely good branching method; you let people decide what they think about certain people, then branch accordingly, but if you want people to think a certain way, you should tell them. How you do that would be your writing skill, but you have to.
I understand your reasoning and I don't fault you for it. I would feel the same if it was an ex. I wouldn't want anything to do with her.
 

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Yeah, there's always going to be random games that hit a little too close to home for a particular person. There's one game in particular that has a niece (sorry, step-niece) who has the same name as my IRL niece, and she's a mandatory LI, so I noped out of that one real quick. Doesn't mean it's a bad game, just an unfortunate coincidence that squicks me out too much.
 

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Funny af. But, I don't fap to games. That's what is for.
That's also what porn games are for lol. Imagine someone telling you they watch pornhub purely for the stories and then saying "that's what girlfriends are for" if they want to cum :LOL: Not that these stories can't be good obviously, but most people read books or watch movies if they're just looking for stories and that's where you'll get the best of the best writing. But you're like the 3rd person I've encountered on this site who feels that way and it always throws me off haha

Yeah, there's always going to be random games that hit a little too close to home for a particular person. There's one game in particular that has a niece (sorry, step-niece) who has the same name as my IRL niece, and she's a mandatory LI, so I noped out of that one real quick. Doesn't mean it's a bad game, just an unfortunate coincidence that squicks me out too much.
Can probably edit the character's name to get around that :D Not that it's any of my business, just saying that if you really wanted to play it, there's a solution :)
 

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That's also what porn games are for lol. Imagine someone telling you they watch pornhub purely for the stories and then saying "that's what girlfriends are for" if they want to cum :LOL: Not that these stories can't be good obviously, but most people read books or watch movies if they're just looking for stories and that's where you'll get the best of the best writing. But you're like the 3rd person I've encountered on this site who feels that way and it always throws me off haha
I guess it's the new "I read Playboy for the articles." ;)

Can probably edit the character's name to get around that :D Not that it's any of my business, just saying that if you really wanted to play it, there's a solution :)
Yeah, it wasn't stored as a variable, it was hardcoded, and at the time I didn't know about that name-changer mod mentioned a few pages back. I'll definitely be making use of that, though probably not on that game specifically, since the uncle-niece relationship still kind of squicks me out even without the unfortunate naming. Weirdly, father-daughter doesn't gross me out the same way, probably because I don't have my own kids so it's farther from reality.
 

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I guess it's the new "I read Playboy for the articles." ;)
That would've been a better analogy actually lol I'm really not trying to judge people because I definitely have some judge-worthy kinks, but damn if I'm not confused :ROFLMAO:

Yeah, it wasn't stored as a variable, it was hardcoded, and at the time I didn't know about that name-changer mod mentioned a few pages back. I'll definitely be making use of that, though probably not on that game specifically, since the uncle-niece relationship still kind of squicks me out even without the unfortunate naming. Weirdly, father-daughter doesn't gross me out the same way, probably because I don't have my own kids so it's farther from reality.
Well, tbh, sometimes URM's naming feature isn't enough because, as you say, if it's hard-coded by the author, I don't think you can change the character's nameplate.. which is fucking irritating as you can imagine. I guess I'm going to sound entitled here, but I really wish all authors would store names as a variable. And now I'm going to armchair too, but I mean, I'd be very conscious of one of my players encountering one of my character's names that was really unfortunate... like if the MC's mom has the SAME name as the player's mom... way too fucking weird... happened to me once... thankfully I was able to change the name I think. But if I couldn't... yeah, I would've noped out too. I already have enough guilty regrets as is :ROFLMAO:
 
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Any idea *how soon* today? As in, will it be before my wife gets home from work? :LOL:
Mm, I've still got 170 images to place, and then I need to do a few renders that I missed on my initial pass. Then I've got one thing that's kind of broken in a scene, because I screwed up when I coded Viola's paths. I'd expect it to be on Patreon around 7 PM EST, but possibly earlier.
 

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That would've been a better analogy actually lol I'm really not trying to judge people because I definitely have some judge-worthy kinks, but damn if I'm not confused :ROFLMAO:
I think I'm kinda in the same boat as them, I'll attempt to explain. I don't read these to crank one out it's an enjoyable amount of titillation and I often click through overlong sex scenes pretty quickly. Does the occasional scene get to me, yeah, but the goal isn't the same as if I load up the hub. It's like before they neutered r/all I didn't go to reddit for batin' purposes but I did enjoy the random TnA that'd pop up while I was scrolling.

I passively consume these on my phone read story during dull moments and hey some titties or ass every once in a while. Yay! Rather than playing like brick breaker or some shit. I drop AVNs like crazy if the reading is too rough (bad translations mostly).
 

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I'm the opposite, anything too sexual makes me want to do something about it, which means it's incredibly frustrating if I'm in a situation where I can't.

Not a fan of strippers for similar reasons. :LOL:
 
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I'm the opposite, anything too sexual makes me want to do something about it, which means it's incredibly frustrating if I'm in a situation where I can't.

Not a fan of strippers for similar reasons. :LOL:
I've only been to a strip club once and was incredibly uncomfortable the entire time... I've gotta have an emotional connection to someone before my brain let's me do the sexy times so when dealing with real people I'm pretty closed off sexually. No one night stands for me ever due to that. Porn or avns or what have you aren't quite the same, but it's way more effective if there's story and build up to the sexy times for me.
 
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Oh I definitely agree AVNs are more effective with a story. Actual porn videos it kinda depends on the style of the production whether I feel like it needs a justification for the fucking.
 
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If beta is today when will the full release come out?
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I’m planning to put out the Beta to $15 subs later today. Currently setting images, and then I’ll have to do some quick bug-testing/squashing.

The $5 version will be available next Friday.

The scope of the chapter kept growing, so the release date unfortunately kept getting knocked back.
(This is from one page back btw ...)
 

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Took a bit longer than expected, but patrons.

I should note that while I'm calling this a Beta version, all the planned content is in the build, all variables are set, etc. I just want some time to polish up a few images, add a few animations, and do a comprehensive bug check, before I call it the final version.

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As a reminder, the release schedule is as follows:
  • Friday 4/14 - $15+
  • Friday 4/21 - $5+
  • Tuesday 4/25 - $2+
  • Friday 4/28 - Public
 
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I think I'm kinda in the same boat as them, I'll attempt to explain. I don't read these to crank one out it's an enjoyable amount of titillation and I often click through overlong sex scenes pretty quickly. Does the occasional scene get to me, yeah, but the goal isn't the same as if I load up the hub. It's like before they neutered r/all I didn't go to reddit for batin' purposes but I did enjoy the random TnA that'd pop up while I was scrolling.

I passively consume these on my phone read story during dull moments and hey some titties or ass every once in a while. Yay! Rather than playing like brick breaker or some shit. I drop AVNs like crazy if the reading is too rough (bad translations mostly).
You guys remind me of that guy on Tom Segura's podcast, YMH (Your Mom's House) :LOL: The one who can maintain erection but can't cum while having sex with girls. It's like some odd super power or something! :p
 

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As a reminder, the release schedule is as follows:
  • Friday 4/15 - $15+
  • Friday 4/21 - $5+
  • Tuesday 4/25 - $2+
  • Friday 4/28 - Public
shouldn't that be

Friday 4/15 - $15+
Friday 4/22 - $5+
Tuesday 4/26 - $2+
Friday 4/29 - Public

Usually 7 days in a week :)
 

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But those aren't porn games. Those are adult visual novels. Big difference. They have sexual elements of course but the story is also very important.
It's a porn game because the purpose is to keep building sexual tension until you want to cum, it's just one that happens to have good writing. The distinction is nonexistent to me. It's like separating an Adam Sandler popcorn comedy from an extremely intellectually crafted master piece just because they have different qualities of writing; they're still movies with the exact same purpose, to entertain you for a few hours. Or separating a porn magazine with excellent articles from a porn magazine that almost ignores it. Everyone still basically buys it for the same purpose
 
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