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TigerWolfe

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Maybe just enjoy what you enjoy and let others enjoy what they enjoy? I find it quite sad that in a thread of a quality game like this one, the romance fans again and again try to kink shame the people who enjoy the dark path.

The path is in the game for a reason, obviously Neonghost wanted to write it, so maybe if you like his game, show some respect for his work and don't treat people who enjoy a different part than you do as if they are to be condemned for that.
Certainly, there is absolutely no need to gloat and be happy that some are disappointed by the direction their path took.

I can even kind of understand them, the game spends a lot of time just letting you be really dark in your behaviour towards the girls, and I honestly didn't expect a change in tone that strong.
It doesn't affect me personally, because I only check the dark path out of curiosity sometimes, but I think if I played the dark path, the last chapter would have surprised me as well.
But I like the girls too much (except for Risa, she honestly annoys the hell out of me for now).
My response to anyone who feels the need to tell the dev how they'll quit playing the game if the dev doesn't bend to their whims is the same. The fact that they're rape fetishists had nothing to do with my post other than them being the ones bitching.

I do tend to add them to list though because the posting of their fantasies, does disrupt my day in a negative manner.

I didn't take it as kink shaming, more making fun of those who like it leaving because there's consequences.
Exactly.
 
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Joshy92

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Guys I have a sexy idea for an update.

It starts with me talking to Mason which quicky turns into sex.
We then go out for lunch and when we get back home, we have sex.
Later in the day we go shopping and when we get home, we have sex.

Then I hear a knock on the door, so I open it and see that Nicki has come over to visit.
She then sees that Mason is naked in my bed, so she goes over and starts making out with him.
I watch for a bit and then we end up having a wild threesome that lasts all night.

Oh, and Brittani saw everything and is fingering herself while watching.
But that's a story for another day.

I'm no writer dudes. But that sounds hot to me.
 

soldano

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Yup! It'll be fairly substantial, with a lot more setup for MC, Nicki, Brent, etc. Plus, an earlier glimpse at Carolina.
Yesterday I played again from the beginning to unlock the scene where you twist Britanni's nipples, and that beginning really needs a revamp. I liked it at the time, but right now it looks very shoddy compared to the rest of the game.
 
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novaen

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I downloaded the new update but my saves don't go past the previous chapter (ending after the night with ashe) what's up with that?
 

NeonGhosts

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Yesterday I played again from the beginning to unlock the scene where you twist Britanni's nipples, and that beginning really needs a revamp. I liked it at the time, but right now it looks very shoddy compared to the rest of the game.
I did a couple of playthroughs yesterday, and I'd honestly love to redo the first three chapters, eventually.

Chapter One just needs a comprehensive rework. But with Chapter Two and Three, I was still struggling to figure out how to frame things, use assets, etc. A lot of the expressions are just a bit too broad and crazy, the lighting isn't very good, and a lot of the poses are lacking. I was also over-narrating stuff a lot back then.. Something which I'm still working on.

I think with Chapter Four, where Brittani comes in to model, I basically found my style for the art. I used a lot more locked-off camera positions, as well as mixing in POV shots for conversations, and 'dramatic' shots for big moments. The expressions and poses got more subtle, I started making better use of DForce objects, and on and on.

I think that, once the game is done, I'll likely go back and redo some of the art for Chapters 2/3, and then excise a lot of my redundant narration. But, that's a lonnnnng ways away, and something I consider low priority.
 

Joshy92

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Hmm I don't think I have ever really paid attention to stuff like lighting with these games.
My focus is more on how the mc acts and stuff like that.
 
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Hmm I don't think I have ever really paid attention to stuff like lighting with these games.
My focus is more on how the mc acts and stuff like that.
A lot of it's stuff that's not really a huge deal.. But does still bug me. :'D

The low-res bricks and graffiti in this asset, which I could change with a couple shaders..
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The super unnatural way Guy's sleeping/covered in this image..
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Gabby being lit up like the sun here, and the ceiling having two separate textures..
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A couple of profoundly weird facial expressions..
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Guy's goofy shopping bags..
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It's not a ton of stuff, really. I'd probably fully re-render the initial Barron Books scene, and mayyyybe the stuff where you first go to Gabby/Madison's house. Besides that, a lot of it's just tweaks. I still have all the DUF files for these chapters, so I can just reload them, create a set of lights/refined objects, drop them into the scene, save them, and set them up to run via RenderQueue. It'd be a little annoying, but not terrible.

Like I said though, that'll be one of those, "Neon finished the story and now wants to fiddle with things.." updates.
 

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A lot of it's stuff that's not really a huge deal.. But does still bug me. :'D

The low-res bricks and graffiti in this asset, which I could change with a couple shaders..
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The super unnatural way Guy's sleeping/covered in this image..
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Gabby being lit up like the sun here, and the ceiling having two separate textures..
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A couple of profoundly weird facial expressions..
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Guy's goofy shopping bags..
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It's not a ton of stuff, really. I'd probably fully re-render the initial Barron Books scene, and mayyyybe the stuff where you first go to Gabby/Madison's house. Besides that, a lot of it's just tweaks. I still have all the DUF files for these chapters, so I can just reload them, create a set of lights/refined objects, drop them into the scene, save them, and set them up to run via RenderQueue. It'd be a little annoying, but not terrible.

Like I said though, that'll be one of those, "Neon finished the story and now wants to fiddle with things.." updates.
It's the little small details. They make the image and the story. It's already great..but small aesthetic details...would elevate this into truly top tier territory.
 

soldano

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Chapter 3 doesn't seem so bad to me. In fact, I think there is a lot of improvement compared to 2 and, especially 1. Some of Ashe's expressions in 2 do seem exaggerated to me, but in 7 (I think it's 7. The one at dinner, I say) you can also see Ashe with exaggerated expressions. What I do agree on is the light. There is a tremendous improvement between chapters 1 and 2, and the photo session with Britanni.

anyway, I don't care that much about the renders. As long as they're decent, that's enough for me. I care much more about the story, and that's where FiN shines. But it is appreciated that you have taken the trouble to try to improve them. Actually between chapters 1 and 8 there is a real gap. Although I also think that the renders of chapter 1 were not made by you, and it shows that Guy and Nicki look different than they do later.
 

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Chapter 3 doesn't seem so bad to me. In fact, I think there is a lot of improvement compared to 2 and, especially 1. Some of Ashe's expressions in 2 do seem exaggerated to me, but in 7 (I think it's 7. The one at dinner, I say) you can also see Ashe with exaggerated expressions. What I do agree on is the light. There is a tremendous improvement between chapters 1 and 2, and the photo session with Britanni.

anyway, I don't care that much about the renders. As long as they're decent, that's enough for me. I care much more about the story, and that's where FiN shines. But it is appreciated that you have taken the trouble to try to improve them. Actually between chapters 1 and 8 there is a real gap. Although I also think that the renders of chapter 1 were not made by you, and it shows that Guy and Nicki look different than they do later.
Ashe's expressions are exactly how Ashe intends them to be.

Less Ashe bashing!

Or else....

Damn I need more coffee.
 
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Chaosguy

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A lot of it's stuff that's not really a huge deal.. But does still bug me. :'D

The low-res bricks and graffiti in this asset, which I could change with a couple shaders..
View attachment 3229721

The super unnatural way Guy's sleeping/covered in this image..
View attachment 3229739

Gabby being lit up like the sun here, and the ceiling having two separate textures..
View attachment 3229756

A couple of profoundly weird facial expressions..
View attachment 3229766

Guy's goofy shopping bags..
View attachment 3229783

It's not a ton of stuff, really. I'd probably fully re-render the initial Barron Books scene, and mayyyybe the stuff where you first go to Gabby/Madison's house. Besides that, a lot of it's just tweaks. I still have all the DUF files for these chapters, so I can just reload them, create a set of lights/refined objects, drop them into the scene, save them, and set them up to run via RenderQueue. It'd be a little annoying, but not terrible.

Like I said though, that'll be one of those, "Neon finished the story and now wants to fiddle with things.." updates.
It's part of the charm. Also since you done these scene's you've probably learned a lot more about daz. So it's a learning experience for the later scenes. ;)
 

Master of Puppets

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I do hope that the chapter one rework won't be changing things too much. The same story, but with improvements in writing and visuals rather than something very different. And I think the option not to have sex with Nicki has been mentioned, that's probably a good idea, since every other sex scene has been optional.
 

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I did a couple of playthroughs yesterday, and I'd honestly love to redo the first three chapters, eventually.

Chapter One just needs a comprehensive rework. But with Chapter Two and Three, I was still struggling to figure out how to frame things, use assets, etc. A lot of the expressions are just a bit too broad and crazy, the lighting isn't very good, and a lot of the poses are lacking. I was also over-narrating stuff a lot back then.. Something which I'm still working on.

I think with Chapter Four, where Brittani comes in to model, I basically found my style for the art. I used a lot more locked-off camera positions, as well as mixing in POV shots for conversations, and 'dramatic' shots for big moments. The expressions and poses got more subtle, I started making better use of DForce objects, and on and on.

I think that, once the game is done, I'll likely go back and redo some of the art for Chapters 2/3, and then excise a lot of my redundant narration. But, that's a lonnnnng ways away, and something I consider low priority.
You did mention wanting to tweak a few things beyond chapter 1 though, or am I wrong? Like fleshing out the dark path with Ashe in the previous update and adding some choices to Risa, I think.
 

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Chapter 3 doesn't seem so bad to me. In fact, I think there is a lot of improvement compared to 2 and, especially 1. Some of Ashe's expressions in 2 do seem exaggerated to me, but in 7 (I think it's 7. The one at dinner, I say) you can also see Ashe with exaggerated expressions. What I do agree on is the light. There is a tremendous improvement between chapters 1 and 2, and the photo session with Britanni.

anyway, I don't care that much about the renders. As long as they're decent, that's enough for me. I care much more about the story, and that's where FiN shines. But it is appreciated that you have taken the trouble to try to improve them. Actually between chapters 1 and 8 there is a real gap. Although I also think that the renders of chapter 1 were not made by you, and it shows that Guy and Nicki look different than they do later.
Yeah, the Nicki from the anti-Nicki patch kind of shows how my Nicki will likely look for the do-over. But, her hair asset here is a giant pain in the ass, so I may go with a similar but different one.

np011.png Nicki 4.png

I do hope that the chapter one rework won't be changing things too much. The same story, but with improvements in writing and visuals rather than something very different. And I think the option not to have sex with Nicki has been mentioned, that's probably a good idea, since every other sex scene has been optional.
It's going to be pretty different, I'm afraid. I've said this before, but the 0-to-60 dark path in Chapter One makes Nicki's reappearance a little harder to believe, in my view. I think it'd be better for the story if it was something where Nicki can reasonably feel betrayed and hurt, but still willing to give Guy the benefit of the doubt.

Plus, originally I'd kind of written Nicki to be more like a work friend, not a best friend. Over time that shifted, and I made it clear that Nicki and Guy saw each other outside work quite a bit. So, some of her characterization in Chapter One stands at odds with how she is later.

And yeah, the sex scene will be optional.

You did mention wanting to tweak a few things beyond chapter 1 though, or am I wrong? Like fleshing out the dark path with Ashe in the previous update and adding some choices to Risa, I think.
That's still very much on the docket. I was giving some thought to doing those Ashe scenes now, as sort of a bonus update.. But speaking of Ashe, I also want to clean up her reactions to Guy, once she sees him rollerblading and later. So, when I relaunch I'll add a tag to make Ashe pissed/hateful if Guy acts like a creep at his condo, even if he doesn't sleep with her. Right now you can make her strip, not have sex with her, and she only responds to you with mild skittishness. I'd also like to work on giving her a lighter corruption route to start in Chapter Two, where you can actually focus on trying to make her enjoy the sex, instead of just fucking her with the intent to degrade her.

That'd allow for a slightly easier transition into her later corruption path, where she's interested in fucking you, despite having a bit of animosity for you. And I could solve that with a few partial renders to make Guy nicer and Ashe happier. So, not a ton of time/effort investment.
 

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I'd also like to work on giving her a lighter corruption route to start in Chapter Two, where you can actually focus on trying to make her enjoy the sex, instead of just fucking her with the intent to degrade her.

That'd allow for a slightly easier transition into her later corruption path, where she's interested in fucking you, despite having a bit of animosity for you. And I could solve that with a few partial renders to make Guy nicer and Ashe happier. So, not a ton of time/effort investment.
*gasps*

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bolondro2

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I have downloaded the "chapter 8 v 0.55" but in the game say V0.4. Have I messed the things someway?
 

Joshy92

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A lot of it's stuff that's not really a huge deal.. But does still bug me. :'D

The low-res bricks and graffiti in this asset, which I could change with a couple shaders..
View attachment 3229721

The super unnatural way Guy's sleeping/covered in this image..
View attachment 3229739

Gabby being lit up like the sun here, and the ceiling having two separate textures..
View attachment 3229756

A couple of profoundly weird facial expressions..
View attachment 3229766

Guy's goofy shopping bags..
View attachment 3229783

It's not a ton of stuff, really. I'd probably fully re-render the initial Barron Books scene, and mayyyybe the stuff where you first go to Gabby/Madison's house. Besides that, a lot of it's just tweaks. I still have all the DUF files for these chapters, so I can just reload them, create a set of lights/refined objects, drop them into the scene, save them, and set them up to run via RenderQueue. It'd be a little annoying, but not terrible.

Like I said though, that'll be one of those, "Neon finished the story and now wants to fiddle with things.." updates.
I honestly never really noticed that stuff until now.
I was too busy thinking about plowing all these sexy babes.

I'm glad you're waiting to redo stuff though.
I think a lot of devs get trapped in remaking parts of their games.
 
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