VN Ren'Py Friends in Need [S1 v0.85c] [NeonGhosts]

[Dogorti]

And why isn't it? Be careful making assumptions there....only bad because you think it's bad...she a legal adult...she can do as she pleases. Don't infantacise young, legal adult women please.

Well, in theory, an 18-year-old girl should be studying with hardly any income of her own, while a 30-year-old person should already be more stable. Furthermore, a person of 18 can be more manipulable than a person of 30. Being 18 does not make you a mature adult as many believe, many people of that age are still very immature and dependent on their parents. so I do see a power imbalance.

 

[Maviarab]

Well, in theory, an 18-year-old girl should be studying with hardly any income of her own, while a 30-year-old person should already be more stable. Furthermore, a person of 18 can be more manipulable than a person of 30. Being 18 does not make you a mature adult as many believe, many people of that age are still very immature and dependent on their parents. so I do see a power imbalance.

And if this forum is anything to go by, many adults are also incredibly immature

Age has very little to do with maturity. There is also a serious power imbalance with every LI in this story, what makes Gabby any different just because she is 18? Idiot thinking, usually from people in the States who tend to have an issue with what other people do and who they date and think anything more than a 2 year age gap is weird (regardless of any 'perceived' power imbalances).

Look at all the shit Dicaprio gets (mostly online, where these people hang out)...do you really think these women are blind to his habits and what he is like? Do you think they are all just mindless dumb children who don't know what they are doing and are being taken advantage of? Pfff....

My original statement stands.

 

[Joshy92]

Fuck power imbalance I'll treat my angels (Mason & Nicki) with lots of love. I hope they understand I like lots of cuddles and romantic dates.

 

[Dogorti]

And if this forum is anything to go by, many adults are also incredibly immature

Age has very little to do with maturity. There is also a serious power imbalance with every LI in this story, what makes Gabby any different just because she is 18? Idiot thinking, usually from people in the States who tend to have an issue with what other people do and who they date and think anything more than a 2 year age gap is weird (regardless of any 'perceived' power imbalances).


My original statement stands.

Yeah, that's exaggerated and I agree, obviously everything depends on maturity and stuff, I'm just saying that in theory an 18-year-old should be more immature than a 30-year-old. But hey, this is fiction so who cares.

 

[Joshy92]

Yeah, that's exaggerated and I agree, obviously everything depends on maturity and stuff, I'm just saying that in theory an 18-year-old should be more immature than a 30-year-old. But hey, this is fiction so who cares.

True. I mean I've had people say I'm more immature than a teenager before lol.

 

[PHIL101-YYouPPHard]

some brows getting a good workout with this latest discussion lol

this games a nice fantasy which lets us explore things that wouldn't be healthy or moral or legal in the real world. thats as far as id wanna go, i see no reason to defend any of it in the real world

 

[Joshy92]

some brows getting a good workout with this latest discussion lol

this games a nice fantasy which lets us explore things that wouldn't be healthy or moral or legal in the real world. thats as far as id wanna go, i see no reason to defend any of it in the real world

So, you wouldn't approve of me dating Mason? what about Nicki?

 

[Dogorti]

So, you wouldn't approve of me dating Mason? what about Nicki?

Are you 40 years old Joshy?

 

[Joshy92]

Are you 40 years old Joshy?

32 bruh.

 

[TigerWolfe]

32 bruh.

If we're being honest joshy, I think those of us concerned about power dynamics would always feel like you were the one being taken advantage of.

 

[Dogorti]

32 bruh.

You could be my father man.

nah, joking

 

[Tigas]

Im gonna turn Mason into Maisie with my dick and then ill impregnate her.

 

[ename144]

Age has very little to do with maturity. There is also a serious power imbalance with every LI in this story, what makes Gabby any different just because she is 18? Idiot thinking, usually from people in the States who tend to have an issue with what other people do and who they date and think anything more than a 2 year age gap is weird (regardless of any 'perceived' power imbalances).

I diagree, age has a substantial effect on maturity. There's certainly variation within any given age bracket and plenty of overalp across ages, but the center of the maturity bell curve goes up with age. There really is no substitute for experience and the younger you are the less time you've had to experience new situations.

Gabby exacerbates that issue because she's already on the lower half of her particular curve. Neon pointed out her physical traits and domestic situation, which is certainly valid, but I think it runs deeper than that. Gabby acts like a child. She rebels against her stepmother, she lashes out whenever anyone defies her, and she absolutely refuses admit her real feelings - even to herself. And of course her childish behavior results in people continuing to treat her like a child, which only intensifies her frustration causing her to lash out even farther. I'd argue it's only in the previous update (where she mutes her normal hair color before going to see her father in jail) that she finally shows signs of the adult she's growing into.

This is obviously not to say Gabby is a kid or that her portrayal is flawed, just that I think there are very good reasons to treat the MC romancing her with a more skeptical eye than most of the other LIs despite their similar financial issues.

 

[Dessolos]

I diagree, age has a substantial effect on maturity. There's certainly variation within any given age bracket and plenty of overalp across ages, but the center of the maturity bell curve goes up with age. There really is no substitute for experience and the younger you are the less time you've had to experience new situations.

Gabby exacerbates that issue because she's already on the lower half of her particular curve. Neon pointed out her physical traits and domestic situation, which is certainly valid, but I think it runs deeper than that. Gabby acts like a child. She rebels against her stepmother, she lashes out whenever anyone defies her, and she absolutely refuses admit her real feelings - even to herself. And of course her childish behavior results in people continuing to treat her like a child, which only intensifies her frustration causing her to lash out even farther. I'd argue it's only in the previous update (where she mutes her normal hair color before going to see her father in jail) that she finally shows signs of the adult she's growing into.

This is obviously not to say Gabby is a kid that her portrayal is flawed, just that I think there are very good reasons to treat the MC romancing her with a more skeptical eye than most of the other LIs despite their similar financial issues.

While personal experience helps I don't think it is all needed either when it comes to maturity. I have little to no life experience in alot of things ( to little for my age) but after a certain age it's just like I randomly woke up had a different view on things, wanted to better my self etc etc.

 

[PHIL101-YYouPPHard]

So, you wouldn't approve of me dating Mason? what about Nicki?

I think anything goes in fantasies & games I just think the real world demands a lot more thought and consideration, if not outright asceticism, for things like age gaps, temptation notwithstanding.

 

[Skep-tiker]

Well, in theory, an 18-year-old girl should be studying with hardly any income of her own, while a 30-year-old person should already be more stable. Furthermore, a person of 18 can be more manipulable than a person of 30. Being 18 does not make you a mature adult as many believe, many people of that age are still very immature and dependent on their parents. so I do see a power imbalance.

Regarding stable and harder to manipulate, let me introduce the trope of the 30 y.o. single mother who's trying to make ends meet and is starved for male attention beyond a quick lay...

 

[Maviarab]

I diagree, ......

Of course you do.

 

[PHIL101-YYouPPHard]

Regarding stable and harder to manipulate, let me introduce the trope of the 30 y.o. single mother who's trying to make ends meet and is starved for male attention beyond a quick lay...

Haha, true! Can't tell if you're disagreeing with us, but your example is a dynamic born of circumstance. Anyone can be vulnerable from circumstance. But, I think the point we're trying to make in general is that an 18 year-old (or younger..) specifically is just undeveloped in multiple dimensions; brain, life experience, independence, etc. I mean, I won't judge people for their attractions or their thoughts, it's really only natural, but.. there's definitely a creep factor when someone much older pursues them. Even if every situation is unique and I can entertain that some age-gap relationships might be healthy, too many of them just aren't straight out of the gate. I definitely wouldn't want my 18 year-old daughter dating someone much older. Or son for that matter. My bad if you already agree with this.

 

[Skep-tiker]

Haha, true! Can't tell if you're disagreeing with us, but your example is a dynamic born of circumstance. Anyone can be vulnerable from circumstance. But, I think the point we're trying to make in general is that an 18 year-old (or younger..) specifically is just undeveloped in multiple dimensions; brain, life experience, independence, etc. I mean, I won't judge people for their attractions or their thoughts, it's really only natural, but.. there's definitely a creep factor when someone much older pursues them. Even if every situation is unique and I can entertain that some age-gap relationships might be healthy, too many of them just aren't straight out of the gate. I definitely wouldn't want my 18 year-old daughter dating someone much older. Or son for that matter. My bad if you already agree with this.

I try not judging unconventional relationships of any kind*, which aren't involving myself. If someone else dates the opposite gender, the same gender or someone older or younger within the legal framework is simply not my business at all.

*sometimes it's hard, especially if joshy is involved...

 

[Maviarab]

Haha, true! Can't tell if you're disagreeing with us, but your example is a dynamic born of circumstance. Anyone can be vulnerable from circumstance. But, I think the point we're trying to make in general is that an 18 year-old (or younger..) specifically is just undeveloped in multiple dimensions; brain, life experience, independence, etc. I mean, I won't judge people for their attractions or their thoughts, it's really only natural, but.. there's definitely a creep factor when someone much older pursues them. Even if every situation is unique and I can entertain that some age-gap relationships might be healthy, too many of them just aren't straight out of the gate. I definitely wouldn't want my 18 year-old daughter dating someone much older. Or son for that matter. My bad if you already agree with this.

Maybe all you moralistic advocates should all write to your local politicians then and petition to raise the legal adult age to 21 then. Or maybe 25, because you most likely believe in that bullshit theory too (as awell as the ridiculous made up half your age plus seven rule...).

Hell, while you're infantilising legal adults (especially women), why not make everything 25 eh? Voting, drinking, credit, marriage, having kids, joining armed forces, driving....college...after all, they just aren't devloped enough and have the experience to be making serious decisions for themselves....

Are they?