VN Ren'Py Friends in Need [S1 v0.85c] [NeonGhosts]

[RainbowRobo]

Not that bizarre. It's less about posessive and more about feeling valued in the relationship. When there are more than two people involved, if one of them start to favor one person over another in the throuple, it breeds that jealousy you're talking about. It's about keeping things in balance. Not so much possessing but feeling secure in a relationship that you won't be left behind by the others in the relationship.

In the real world? Yeah, sure, jealousy is killer in relationships and the more people, the more sources of jealousy. Hell 'that' jealousy often comes just fine from the two sources of insecurity and misunderstanding in perfectly faithful monogamous relationships. In fiction? I don't get it. Especially fiction which otherwise exemplifies a celebration of... well... sluttery. Here for instance. Guy is totally getting his wick wet in a dozen girls. But somehow it's preferable that he excludes all others for a single one at some point because "that's romance" isn't something I understand. Granted, I don't know where this story is ultimately going, NeonGhosts might well pair Guy off with a single girl in a way that works in the narrative, and thusfar that's more or less what I'm expecting. But as it stands that only seems to be really a thing with Ashe, and even then she seems open sexually to threesomes, and is more against the emotional infidelity. Which strikes me as realistic and pertinent to her character, but also ends up more or less forcing a choice where Guy has to decide if she's 'worth it' (along with sub branches of infidelity). which is where I'm going "nah, brah"

I at least understand the harem games where the MC is all like "I'm the only one you can sleep with, but I get anyone I want" without jealousy ever coming into play. Dickishly selfish it may be, it's fiction, and fictional people can be well fleshed out and deeply complex and be satisfying without being overly wishfullfillmenty. Like "WVM"s first two LI have absolutely workable motivations and justifications that can be woven into far more interesting and complex stories. (To be clear, WVM is not that interesting, narratively speaking.)

 

[Dessolos]

never understood this. Like... Monogamy is such a strange concept to me. I know people get jealous and possessive, but monogamy always feels a little too close to codependent to me. And when in fantasy? Like disney princess style romance pairing off can make sense sure, if it's a tale of romance about just two people involved with maybe a teased 3rd for a love triangle for drama. But even then(especially then. Cut the knot, pair the spare in a one true threesome time!), why aren't poly relationships more normalized in fiction? I know more successful poly relationships in real life than I've seen in (non-porn) fiction.

Such a bizarre thing to me.

This is a bit hard for me to explain for while I do like Monogamy in these games.

When it comes to games / AVN's i'm not 100% sure why I prefer only 1 LI at a time even if I may have a hard time picking just one. I want to say some of it comes down to immersion for me and perhaps I self insert that aspect of me. Because I find it highly unlikely id be able to handle more than 1 girl and even if I liked more than 1 girl, I wouldn't want to try to be with more than 1 girl in Real Life either. Forget the whole remaining faithful aspect for a minute. I feel if I can't be in the relationship with said girl 100% it just wouldn't be fair to her if I had to split the attention / relationship with another partner romantically and I guess that part just just spills over into AVN's and helps me enjoy the games a bit more. Now I don't abide by these rules 100% in AVN's but I do once I pick a LI for that save unless the game is meant to be played like a manslut / harem. Now with that being said those would be just rules I abide by personally.

Because of all that I just find it more immersive to treat the LI like I actually would and be as faithful as I can. Since I play these games more for the relationship building, I try to treat these games a bit like a dating sim, where I want to get to know them, be kind, be romantic everything. It really comes down to that immersion is how I get my enjoyment out of these games. As I find it a bit boring to go around trying to have sex with anything that has a pulse as to me that just feels meaningless even if it's just a game. As I personally dont care about the porn aspect of these games they are just a bonus to me. Doesn't mean I don't do that when I have a hard time picking a LI or I play the harem once in awhile but it's rare.

This probably still doesn't make sense or still seems a bit bizarre to you but it's late and I tried my best to explain my personal point of view.

 

[MF_DOOM]

never understood this. Like... Monogamy is such a strange concept to me. I know people get jealous and possessive, but monogamy always feels a little too close to codependent to me. And when in fantasy? Like disney princess style romance pairing off can make sense sure, if it's a tale of romance about just two people involved with maybe a teased 3rd for a love triangle for drama. But even then(especially then. Cut the knot, pair the spare in a one true threesome time!), why aren't poly relationships more normalized in fiction? I know more successful poly relationships in real life than I've seen in (non-porn) fiction.

Such a bizarre thing to me.

The problem with polyamory or open relationships in such games is most people will not accept some other dude(or a gal) sleeping with their women and start bitching and moaning about forced NTR, except the people who are actively looking for such games.

 

[Bombmaster]

I find throuple the perfect number for a relationship in games,cuddle and sleep together.
harem break the fantasy is just to fuck and be damned and normally girls get more fleshed and have more emotional investment in games you can follow her route.

If in the story mc is a king or a master wizard from another dimension maybe girls would enter in line to be impregnated. but as stands most common protagonists have no pull to keep a harem, fucking everyone without consequences is another thing entirely.

Guy is rich and probably could have some baby girls around, but I expect like someone pointed out,
Ashe would need to be the first girl, have authority in their relationship to work?
She is already jealous about the milk Nicki thing tho.

 

[melwen]

I love the character design! Just started but looking superb.

 

[blkcrow20]

IRL, I have my wife and love her. But this is a game and I like having multiple LIs. I really don't like when I'm forced to choose just one, especially if the dev has done a good job and made multiple LIs interesting.

 

[Ragnar]

never understood this. Like... Monogamy is such a strange concept to me. I know people get jealous and possessive, but monogamy always feels a little too close to codependent to me. And when in fantasy? Like disney princess style romance pairing off can make sense sure, if it's a tale of romance about just two people involved with maybe a teased 3rd for a love triangle for drama. But even then(especially then. Cut the knot, pair the spare in a one true threesome time!), why aren't poly relationships more normalized in fiction? I know more successful poly relationships in real life than I've seen in (non-porn) fiction.

Such a bizarre thing to me.

Ask biology about it. Monogamy has been the way to go for most people since ancient times. Harems and the such have been always for the most rich and powerful like Epstein's Island.
On the other hand this is a game so it wouldn't be difficult to come up with some harem sceneraios if the dev wants.

 

[SlapE]

Ask biology about it. Monogamy has been the way to go for most people since ancient times.

What? It's literally the opposite, lmao. Humans were a largely polyamorous species all the way back then. Then as time went on, humans became more and more monogamous as society developed and advanced. It's a social construct, it's not the natural way of things whatsoever, but it's what works for most of society, and I don't see a problem with that.

 

[soprano31]

Ask biology about it. Monogamy has been the way to go for most people since ancient times.

 

[MF_DOOM]

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It's biologically not very correct, sticking to one mate will restrict your ability to produce as many offsprings as possible.
I read a few studies about it and there is no conclusive answer on that one tho.

 

[Bombmaster]

Bro not because our hunter gatherers fucked when possible because their circumstances were very different. How the fuck that could work in a current timeline. Poly relationship are the new fad but let be real is one girl 4 Joshy's.

 

[soprano31]

sticking to one mate will restrict your ability to produce as many offsprings as possible.

What does producing as many children as possible have to do with relationships or being monogamous?
Fewer and fewer people want to raise children in this world,especially with all the current problems.
just enjoy each other,
in a monogamous relationship or with several persons,
you really don't have to have children in life to be happy !!

 

[Maviarab]

It's biologically not very correct, sticking to one mate will restrict your ability to produce as many offsprings as possible.
I read a few studies about it and there is no conclusive answer on that one tho.

Which with 8 fucking billion people on the planet...and the most longevity of our species ever...why your great grandparents had like 58 kids...because 55 of them would most likely be dead before the age of 20.

Really isn't needed anymore is it?

 

[MF_DOOM]

What does producing as many children as possible have to do with relationships or being monogamous?
Fewer and fewer people want to raise children in this world,especially with all the current problems.
just enjoy each other,
in a monogamous relationship or with several persons,
you really don't have to have children in life to be happy !!

It has nothing to do with today's times, we are biologically programmed to do it and that's about it.
Some biological impulses are hard to bypass.

 

[Joshy92]

The reason I want to be able to choose a single girl is simple.
I don't like harems I don't even usually try games that have the tag.

And honestly, I'm already thinking of how awesome it would be if I can marry Mason or Nicki.

Actually, I'm pretty sure Neon said once that Nicki's romance ending could include marriage.
That would be awesome.

 

[ename144]

In the real world? Yeah, sure, jealousy is killer in relationships and the more people, the more sources of jealousy. Hell 'that' jealousy often comes just fine from the two sources of insecurity and misunderstanding in perfectly faithful monogamous relationships. In fiction? I don't get it. Especially fiction which otherwise exemplifies a celebration of... well... sluttery. Here for instance. Guy is totally getting his wick wet in a dozen girls. But somehow it's preferable that he excludes all others for a single one at some point because "that's romance" isn't something I understand. Granted, I don't know where this story is ultimately going, NeonGhosts might well pair Guy off with a single girl in a way that works in the narrative, and thusfar that's more or less what I'm expecting. But as it stands that only seems to be really a thing with Ashe, and even then she seems open sexually to threesomes, and is more against the emotional infidelity. Which strikes me as realistic and pertinent to her character, but also ends up more or less forcing a choice where Guy has to decide if she's 'worth it' (along with sub branches of infidelity). which is where I'm going "nah, brah"

I at least understand the harem games where the MC is all like "I'm the only one you can sleep with, but I get anyone I want" without jealousy ever coming into play. Dickishly selfish it may be, it's fiction, and fictional people can be well fleshed out and deeply complex and be satisfying without being overly wishfullfillmenty. Like "WVM"s first two LI have absolutely workable motivations and justifications that can be woven into far more interesting and complex stories. (To be clear, WVM is not that interesting, narratively speaking.)

Personally, I think it comes down to verisimilitude. Sure, in a work of fiction it's entirely possible to have a harem full of girls who are all happy to share the MC without issue, but in my experience games that do that come across as, well, fake. People just don't generally act like that, so having more than one (or maybe two) LI eager to join a time share either requires all the LIs have the same 'rare' personality, or it requires they act wildly out of character for the sake of the harem.

I'd much rather bite the bullet and allow the girls to react 'normally,' even if it's sometimes hard to choose. It keeps things grounded, and makes the romance feel more meaningful. Plus, it allows the rare girls who are into sharing to stand out - as they should.

That's how I see it, anyway. I suspect personal preference plays a very large role in this.

 

[Maviarab]

Personally, I think it comes down to verisimilitude. Sure, in a work of fiction it's entirely possible to have a harem full of girls who are all happy to share the MC without issue, but in my experience games that do that come across as, well, fake. People just don't generally act like that, so having more than one (or maybe two) LI eager to join a time share either requires all the LIs have the same 'rare' personality, or it requires they act wildly out of character for the sake of the harem.

I'd much rather bite the bullet and allow the girls to react 'normally,' even if it's sometimes hard to choose. It keeps things grounded, and makes the romance feel more meaningful. Plus, it allows the rare girls who are into sharing to stand out - as they should.

That's how I see it, anyway. I suspect personal preference plays a very large role in this.

Or if going to force the harem...at least have writing skills (and actual knowledge of the human pysche and how people act) and force a lot of drama at times betwen the girls, forcing us (the MC) to deal with said jealousy/time-share/personality problems that inevitibly, as you say, in real life will always occur (and if you screw up girls will leave etc).

Now that would be a haram game at the top of my to play list.

 

[Bombmaster]

Or if going to force the harem...at least have writing skills (and actual knowledge of the human pysche and how people act) and force a lot of drama at times betwen the girls, forcing us (the MC) to deal with said jealousy/time-share/personality problems that inevitibly, as you say, in real life will always occur (and if you screw up girls will leave etc).

Now that would be a haram game at the top of my to play list.

That and why 5 girls would share the same resources of said man if they can get better deals. Unless said man is king, wizard, post apocalypse survivor might makes right. Make no fucking sense. Yeah they can all fuck him but being loyal to one man?

As I said before a man have two arms one for each bride. Perfectly balanced.

Trauma is a good way to ensure a semi harem mesh, like incest the sister can't marry bother so having a second wife is needed and so on.

 

[Ragnar]

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Yeah David, but somehow that's how is has been since forever

 

[Dark Silence]

It has nothing to do with today's times, we are biologically programmed to do it and that's about it.
Some biological impulses are hard to bypass.

I think you've been puff puff passin too much, bruv.