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PHIL101-YYouPPHard

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I didn't mean to offend anyone, I just expressed my opinion.
Well, we'll wait and see how the sale goes without the NSFW elements.
I was more passive-aggressive than I should've been, my bad. Let me rephrase it more respectfully: I think the characters and writing of FiN are strong enough that even a censored experience could easily reverberate with a large audience.

If I'm being honest, I probably would've never started this game if the ludes and especially the dark route didn't lure me in. So, I get what you're saying. But I have no idea how representative I am.

The idea of a player with a censored steam version discovering there's a taboo patch, though, is pretty funny. Discovering a game you like has a porn aspect to it you weren't aware of? And a dark route? You can do what to Nicki!? :BootyTime: Woah... whole new replay value lol
 
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I was more passive-aggressive than I should've been, my bad. Let me rephrase it more respectfully: I think the characters and writing of FiN are strong enough that even a censored experience could easily reverberate with a large audience.

If I'm being honest, I probably would've never started this game if the ludes and especially the dark route didn't lure me in. So, I get what you're saying. But I have no idea how representative I am.

The idea of a player with a censored steam version discovering there's a taboo patch, though, is pretty funny. Discovering a game you like has a porn aspect to it you weren't aware of? And a dark route? You can do what to Nicki!? :BootyTime: Woah... whole new replay value lol
I'm pretty sure there have been censored versions of Rance games where this has happened
 

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I'll say the sex scenes to me are like the cherry on top of this delicious sundae that is FiN. I don't 'need' them, but if they are there I'll watch them, especially any hot lesbian action.

I feel, either way, this will be popular on steam because of the writing and characters. NG deserves to make so much money on this gem, so I hope he sells like a billion copies.

Anyway, now to go back to fantasising about Cassie seducing my girlfriends like the horny bastard I am.
 

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Jesus I read that without proper context and was very judgemental for a moment!
You're forgiven. :) Considering where we are your reaction was the obvious one.

I really enjoy the interactions with Nickizilla, Maya, (I can't believe I'm forgetting her name again!), Maya's mum and Guy. They are sweet, fun, wholesome and just really enjoyable.
Now, if we could have a throuple path with these two ladies (the adult ones, for crying out loud) I'd be a very, very happy man.
 

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You're forgiven. :) Considering where we are your reaction was the obvious one.

I really enjoy the interactions with Nickizilla, Maya, (I can't believe I'm forgetting her name again!), Maya's mum and Guy. They are sweet, fun, wholesome and just really enjoyable.
Now, if we could have a throuple path with these two ladies (the adult ones, for crying out loud) I'd be a very, very happy man.
Maya's mom? Carolina.
 
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I was more passive-aggressive than I should've been, my bad. Let me rephrase it more respectfully: I think the characters and writing of FiN are strong enough that even a censored experience could easily reverberate with a large audience.

If I'm being honest, I probably would've never started this game if the ludes and especially the dark route didn't lure me in. So, I get what you're saying. But I have no idea how representative I am.
As much as I agree in part I can't agree overall, but I want to make it clear that this isn't meant as a slight on Neon's writing. I find the characters in this game extremely engaging as well, and I've already gone ahead and played it while skipping most of the lewd content. The idea that the game could be worth playing without pornographic content is by no means farfetched.

Nevertheless, I still think it's a step too far to say this game could therefore be 'tweaked' into a Safe For Work version that's ready to ride out the censor-pocalypse we seem to be headed for. Despite the prevalence of SFW material in this game, IMHO the lewd material is still serving a structural role - which means we need something else structural to replace it or we're going to be left with a shapeless pile of good ideas.

I'd go so far as to say that's indisputable for the dark paths: no there's no level of cutting to black ominous enough to replace the levels of depravity the MC can sink to. But even on the lighter paths I maintain the game is paced around getting access to the various girls' naughty bits and deciding what the MC wants to do with them. Yes, there are also plenty emotional and plot developments that make a significant contribution to the game, but on their own those aspects lack the depth and detail needed to replace, say, the numerous different ways we can explore kinks during Ashe's date. The game - as it currently stands - doesn't focus enough on the mechanical aspects of those emotional and plot points to provide a basic gameplay loop in the absence of the various sex scenes. At best it would feel like a kinetic novel.

To my mind, saying Neon could make a SFW version of this game is like saying you could make a version of Star Wars without special effects. I think there's plenty to love about that movie beyond the landmark effects, but I also think a version without those effects would either be a gutted mess or an entirely different experience. Likewise, while I believe Neon could write an equivalent version of this game that's well within an "R" rating, I think the work involved would be tantamount to writing a second game in parallel with the original version. I do not see that as a good investment of his time (unless he's willing to ditch the lewd version of this game entirely, which I think we'd all prefer he didn't).

The idea of a player with a censored steam version discovering there's a taboo patch, though, is pretty funny. Discovering a game you like has a porn aspect to it you weren't aware of? And a dark route? You can do what to Nicki!? :BootyTime: Woah... whole new replay value lol
It may be funny, but it's a horrible idea if you're desperate to avoid the censor's noose. Witch hunts are not the time to rely on technicalities and loopholes to protect you from the mob. I'm not going to think less of Neon if he's worried about protecting his livelihood (or even his hobby), but if that's the goal don't risk everything for half measures.
 

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At this point I'm going to assume that Neon has gotten all of the feedback that he needs. In addition to this forum, he has one of the best, smartest, friendliest, Dischords I've seen. Unless I come up with a miracle solution that will please everyone (from the most depraved pervert on F95 to the corporate offices at Mastercard) I'm going to STFU on the subject and let Neon do what makes the most sense for him and his story. He's gotten it this far, even with people constantly yelling at him and demanding more or less of one thing and/or another.
 

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I'm pretty sure there have been censored versions of Rance games where this has happened
Where what has happened? Poor sales? Or good sales?

Honestly, I'd imagine it's really challenging to analyze a game's success or failure. Sometimes, really, really fantastic games just don't do all that well. And meanwhile, games that I personally find pretty mediocre shoot into the stratosphere. Is it because one game did something wrong and the other didn't? Is one game just more of what the overall audience wants and the other isn't? Was it just getting really lucky with reach, word of mouth and so on, while the other didn't?

As much as I agree in part I can't agree overall, but I want to make it clear that this isn't meant as a slight on Neon's writing. I find the characters in this game extremely engaging as well, and I've already gone ahead and played it while skipping most of the lewd content. The idea that the game could be worth playing without pornographic content is by no means farfetched.

Nevertheless, I still think it's a step too far to say this game could therefore be 'tweaked' into a Safe For Work version that's ready to ride out the censor-pocalypse we seem to be headed for. Despite the prevalence of SFW material in this game, IMHO the lewd material is still serving a structural role - which means we need something else structural to replace it or we're going to be left with a shapeless pile of good ideas.

I'd go so far as to say that's indisputable for the dark paths: no there's no level of cutting to black ominous enough to replace the levels of depravity the MC can sink to. But even on the lighter paths I maintain the game is paced around getting access to the various girls' naughty bits and deciding what the MC wants to do with them. Yes, there are also plenty emotional and plot developments that make a significant contribution to the game, but on their own those aspects lack the depth and detail needed to replace, say, the numerous different ways we can explore kinks during Ashe's date. The game - as it currently stands - doesn't focus enough on the mechanical aspects of those emotional and plot points to provide a basic gameplay loop in the absence of the various sex scenes. At best it would feel like a kinetic novel.

To my mind, saying Neon could make a SFW version of this game is like saying you could make a version of Star Wars without special effects. I think there's plenty to love about that movie beyond the landmark effects, but I also think a version without those effects would either be a gutted mess or an entirely different experience. Likewise, while I believe Neon could write an equivalent version of this game that's well within an "R" rating, I think the work involved would be tantamount to writing a second game in parallel with the original version. I do not see that as a good investment of his time (unless he's willing to ditch the lewd version of this game entirely, which I think we'd all prefer he didn't).


It may be funny, but it's a horrible idea if you're desperate to avoid the censor's noose. Witch hunts are not the time to rely on technicalities and loopholes to protect you from the mob. I'm not going to think less of Neon if he's worried about protecting his livelihood (or even his hobby), but if that's the goal don't risk everything for half measures.
I don't think it would be a kinetic novel, not at all. Still plenty of decisions to make, plenty of characters to affect. And I think the darker decisions can have effective ominous impact if you leave it to the player's imagination and just show the aftermath of it. Picture being unkind to one of the LIs throughout a date, for example, the noticeable effect it's having building and building, until the decision arrives - and while it wouldn't say 'rape her' lol, it could still be something that's skated around, but still clear to most people - then it fades to black, and the very next scene is the LI leaving in tears. That's really all the player needs, imo. Especially if Neon edits it just right and adds music to it, i.e. proper pause during fade to black, audio cues, and so on to create tension. He might have to add some extra renders or narration? But, I think it still works very well.

I do agree that you obviously lose some things; I mean, the game was designed with lude scenes in mind. So yeah, Ashe's date feels less interesting because you can discover a lot of things about someone through it, for both Ashe and Guy. That angle of character development would just be gone in a censored version. But I still think it's doable and would work on the whole.
 
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Im going to step in - been quite here. Ive played many AVNs all the ones with good stories Chasing Sunsets, Leap of Faith Being a Dik, U4ia etc. I am a fan of good stories. However these are also aimed at ADULTS and the sex is part of LIFE. If he wants to make an Adult Visual Novel with out sex that is fine, but that should be the Option to not see it, and not the base.

I personally would love to see Leap Of Faith with nudity and fade away from sex scenes just due to what it would do to help others but not at all the right thing for most AVNs
 
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Im going to step in - been quite here. Ive played many AVNs all the ones with good stories Chasing Sunsets, Leap of Faith Being a Dik, U4ia etc. I am a fan of good stories. However these are also aimed at ADULTS and the sex is part of LIFE. If he wants to make an Adult Visual Novel with out sex that is fine, but that should be the Option to not see it, and not the base.

I personally would love to see Leap Of Faith with nudity and fade away from sex scenes just due to what it would do to help others but not at all the right thing for most AVNs
So, you completely missed the point of the conversation.

It's not that Neon WANTS to make a SFW version, it's that it may be required to sell through Steam, which is a source of income which can not just be ignored, as there is NO other platform which has the same kind of ceiling.
 
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This is the scene where I fell in love with Britt.
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Look at those beautiful blue eyes. I looked into them and I knew she was special.
Yes, so beautiful and perfect. She is easily my number one. Part of me wanted to tell her to act domiant here, but couldn't do it. I had to tell her I wanted her to be herself, cause she absoulutely deserves nothing but the best, and deserves to just be herself and comfortable and know she is loved.
 
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This is the scene where I fell in love with Britt.
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Look at those beautiful blue eyes. I looked into them and I knew she was special.
You do realize that look she's giving is because she's scared, right? I'm pretty sure NeonGhosts has said that Britt would never do things like this. But I could be wrong. Maybe I misread or misunderstood what he said. Hell, I could've even taken it out of context.
 

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You do realize that look she's giving is because she's scared, right? I'm pretty sure NeonGhosts has said that Britt would never do things like this. But I could be wrong. Maybe I misread or misunderstood what he said. Hell, I could've even taken it out of context.
I haven't played her path, so don't have the proper context but just looking at the pic, I agree. She looks scared to me.
 
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I haven't played her path, so don't have the proper context but just looking at the pic, I agree. She looks scared to me.
The takeaway here is that some people like when their perfect women look scared. It's interesting.

There's also the "I hope I'm doing this right" face.
 
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You do realize that look she's giving is because she's scared, right? I'm pretty sure NeonGhosts has said that Britt would never do things like this. But I could be wrong. Maybe I misread or misunderstood what he said. Hell, I could've even taken it out of context.
I haven't played her path, so don't have the proper context but just looking at the pic, I agree. She looks scared to me.
She actually doesn't do it because she is scared. She even initiated it.she does it more cause she felt comfortable and relaxed around you. I am pretty sure you have to be nice to her during shoot to even get scene.

What she does feel is some regret. She gets caught by Jamie. She feels bad it happened, then later she is a bit more nervous or reserved around you cause of it, but not really, she is still pretty friendly still. The only difference is she may show her bra under her shirt.

So she didn't do it out of fear or anything. That is false.
 

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The takeaway here is that some people like when their perfect women look scared. It's interesting.

There's also the "I hope I'm doing this right" face.
Well the fear face does sort of trigger my protective instincts - but not if they're afraid of me.
 
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