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ffive

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well, I replied to the other message above, I see trans guys as cool brothers, and I think is wrong to putting them in a game as a LI/Sexual interest for hetero guys, is basically an option to rape them
The game makes it rather clear that treating Mason as a girl and pressuring him in such manner is something (only) an asshole Guy would do, as part of the "dark path". So yes, it's an option to "act wrong" just like it's possible for Guy to act wrong, going as far as rape, towards other LIs in the game.

That said, Guy is never explicitly stated to be heterosexual. You're free to play him as bi, and consider his sexual interactions with Mason as gay activity.
 

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It is not a monolith. Gender is a spectrum.
I'll post on it just once, and not reply to it again so as not to clutter the topic. If anyone disagrees, they disagree - no need to start a campaign on it.
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That said, Guy is never explicitly stated to be heterosexual. You're free to play him as bi, and consider his sexual interactions with Mason as gay activity.
That's a bit of a stretch, but I can see *someone* out there wanting to roleplay it that way in their head. Personally, I tend to stick to the code in our genes and how the characters are presented - Guy is a male, Mason a female. But roleplaying the MC I decided to keep it genomic in the bedroom where Mason is a female, and let Mason be a male in public out of respect. I don't think that is necessarily a dark path per-se, grey at worst and accurate at best. I guess it depends on personal mores and whether people self-insert themselves or their preferences into Guy.
 

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The game makes it rather clear that treating Mason as a girl and pressuring him in such manner is something (only) an asshole Guy would do, as part of the "dark path". So yes, it's an option to "act wrong" just like it's possible for Guy to act wrong, going as far as rape, towards other LIs in the game.

That said, Guy is never explicitly stated to be heterosexual. You're free to play him as bi, and consider his sexual interactions with Mason as gay activity.
yep, exactly
I just played in fast forward to check what happen choosing the asshole options for a few minutes and most girls escape in panic giving him nothing, which is awesome, I hope that path leads to a real bad end soon
 

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I know they are not the same, I wrote she/he cause the previous post I wrote in my bad english was confusing (this last too it seems)
he like to be called ''el'' (in spanish), I got no ''expectations'' except maybe to them be portrayed fairly in a game, is kind of insulting for a trans guy to be presented as a LI/sexual interested for a male hetero audience (every sex scene would be a rape basically)
I see my friend like my little brother

and I'm living in argentina right now were we got an alt-right gov who harrases them (and me as antifascista) so, yeah, I know how hard is it for them
I wonder if this is a thing where the queer movement has progressed a little further in America than it has in Argentina, and so certain gender expressions that might be viewed as more progressive here, seem almost regressive there. In any event, I pretty clearly laid out how Mason feels about his own gender presentation during the fitting room event with Guy, so I'll let the work speak for itself.

when is season 2 coming
I'm trying to get an alpha out before the month ends. But I contracted the flu over the holidays, and it had me all fucked up for three days, during which I got basically no work done. So, I'm kinda trying to play catch-up now that I'm not laying in bed and moaning.
 

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I wonder if this is a thing where the queer movement has progressed a little further in America than it has in Argentina, and so certain gender expressions that might be viewed as more progressive here, seem almost regressive there. In any event, I pretty clearly laid out how Mason feels about his own gender presentation during the fitting room event with Guy, so I'll let the work speak for itself.



I'm trying to get an alpha out before the month ends. But I contracted the flu over the holidays, and it had me all fucked up for three days, during which I got basically no work done. So, I'm kinda trying to play catch-up now that I'm not laying in bed and moaning.
Feels to me that Mason is still very much figuring that out. I figure you gave the pronoun choices to let the players be comfortable in their version of the playthrough but some choices makes him seems confused still. For instance if you use female pronouns during intimacy he seems to respond well enough even on the nicer route. Maybe I'm reading too much into it though.
 

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Guys, if i am not wrong, season 2 1st chapter will release before end of December right? If so, when can we expect the version to drop here??
Eh....Neon has been sick, and has a habbit of underestimating the quantity of work remaining. I've been saying January 5th for a while, mostly as a joke, but I wouldn't be surprised if I was right.

The $15 supporters tend to keep things pretty close, so probably not until at least the $5 supporters get it. Not sure if that is one week or two.

....is kind of insulting for a trans guy to be presented as a LI/sexual interested for a male hetero audience (every sex scene would be a rape basically)
Gender is not sexuality, and Mason is quite enthusiastic when Guy treats him well. Not sure how you could see that as insulting, and certainly not as rape. And this is a game where ACTUAL rape is on the table, so the difference is pretty clear.

I'm trying to get an alpha out before the month ends. But I contracted the flu over the holidays, and it had me all fucked up for three days, during which I got basically no work done. So, I'm kinda trying to play catch-up now that I'm not laying in bed and moaning.
I've had January 5th in the betting pool for a couple weeks now!
 

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Sometimes I wonder if I'm playing avns like FiN wrong.

I mean I see everyone else talking about this and that but I only really care about romancing the hotties I like. I know we have to defeat the bad guys and all that but more importantly for me is wooing my sweethearts.

Of course I'd also like some difficult choices down the line if possible.
 
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Sometimes I wonder if I'm playing avns like FiN wrong.

I mean I see everyone else talking about this and that but I only really care about romancing the hotties I like. I know we have to defeat the bad guys and all that but more importantly for me is wooing my sweethearts.

Of course I'd also like some difficult choices down the line if possible.
You are, it's just a case of "why did you climb the mountain ? because it was there".

I did start a dark path once but I broke at the same time Guy broke our little russian Princess. It was hot in it's own fucked up kind of way but it left me with a bad aftertaste. So I stoped. But you know, uRm sometimes...

But~~~, "cucking" Det Marsden and Ryan, threatening and fucking with Jamie is/would be a real pleasure, not as dark as the dark stuff, but sometimes impulses and stuff...
 
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I'll post on it just once, and not reply to it again so as not to clutter the topic. If anyone disagrees, they disagree - no need to start a campaign on it.
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That's a bit of a stretch, but I can see *someone* out there wanting to roleplay it that way in their head. Personally, I tend to stick to the code in our genes and how the characters are presented - Guy is a male, Mason a female. But roleplaying the MC I decided to keep it genomic in the bedroom where Mason is a female, and let Mason be a male in public out of respect. I don't think that is necessarily a dark path per-se, grey at worst and accurate at best. I guess it depends on personal mores and whether people self-insert themselves or their preferences into Guy.
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Not letting Mason be a man is dark. It's not that different than pushing Ashe's masochism too far, or forcing Brittani to finish the shoot.
 

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no no, I worded it bad, my english sucks, sorry :confused:

I'll try to explain myself better: based just on the 2 trans guys I know -meaning born girls that feel themselves male, one of them a friend of mine-, and a trans woman -born male- I do not know well, they are basically like this:

(may not be an example of ALL of them, obviously)

trans guys: both of them are masculine in traits, both really close to their dads (one helps me put with electric stuff which learned from his dad), none use make up at all; both are very open and funny once they like you (I'm a tall metalhead, for some reason one of them see me like an older brother and imitates me which is hilarious, like once I was standing cross armed with a boot on a step, look at the side and she/he was in the same position but half my height); for them to think about sex with a guy is as absurd as to is to any of us straight guys; both get more girls than me...:HideThePain: :ROFLMAO:
basically cool blokes who don't have a penis but don't need one to make girls happy, nowhere near to prostitution with men as clients (in these kind of games a trans guy could be the cool sidekicks of MC, to be a LI is insulting for them)

trans women: femenine in trait, close to their mothers, use women' make up/dress etc, mostly shy and low profile -unless they are partying-; the one I know is a well paid artist, but I heard is common for the ones with economic problems to prostitute themselves

Mason is written and modeled as a trans woman instead of trans guy (I think in one scene is even trying women's thights-??-), may it be possibly on purpose as a veiled gay fantasy for men? I don't know
I get where you're coming from, but truth is, people are weird and diverse in just about every way you can imagine. Female-to-male (FTM) trans might have a common presentation in the LGBT community or in media, but they can present in many different ways that you might not expect or see very often, and their sexual orientation is a separate issue entirely. Mason seems to be a bisexual femboy, or someone that's still figuring things out.

Add on to that the fact this is a porn VN that is meant to titillate and satisfy an audience's fantasies, as well as the author's prerogative that they can write whatever character they want. Imo, the only important thing I want satisfied in a VN like this is for a character to feel plausible, real, and multi-dimensional, and I think Mason (and the rest of the cast) passes that test, even if in the real world, they'd be a rare individual.

And personally, for me, Mason is absolutely a homoerotic fantasy. When I was younger, I'd be grossed out and turned off by this content. These days, I don't give a shit anymore and realize that there are parts of me that are pretty fuckin' gay, and now I can accept them and appreciate it more without moralizing it in my head or feeling ashamed or something. You know what'd make me love Mason as a LI even more? If he had a sexy cock. But he don't. :( Anyways, other people can play it very differently, especially if you go Mason's feminine route.

well, I replied to the other message above, I see trans guys as cool brothers, and I think is wrong to putting them in a game as a LI/Sexual interest for hetero guys, is basically an option to rape them
You can assault everyone in the game, it's just harmless fantasy.
 

ffive

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Feels to me that Mason is still very much figuring that out. I figure you gave the pronoun choices to let the players be comfortable in their version of the playthrough but some choices makes him seems confused still. For instance if you use female pronouns during intimacy he seems to respond well enough even on the nicer route. Maybe I'm reading too much into it though.
Mason responds "well enough" to Guy misgendering him because he's been on streets sucking dicks long enough that he knows better than rock the boat with his current benefactor just to feel good about his gender identity being respected. Doesn't mean it's something that he internally just shrugs off and is like whatever and doesn't mind at all.
 

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I've had January 5th in the betting pool for a couple weeks now!
Ugh. I was hoping to finally see some Season 2 progress (beyond what's been released) in the alpha before the end of my holidays. Went up to $15 since it was suppose to come out the 25th but things changed and happen. C'est la vie.
 
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Mason responds "well enough" to Guy misgendering him because he's been on streets sucking dicks long enough that he knows better than rock the boat with his current benefactor just to feel good about his gender identity being respected. Doesn't mean it's something that he internally just shrugs off and is like whatever and doesn't mind at all.
Please don't key in on one part of my post. I am specifically talking about how the choices in game make the character come across that way.
 

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Please don't key in on one part of my post. I am specifically talking about how the choices in game make the character come across that way.
I have offered alternative explanation to the part which you cited as reason you believe Mason to be "still confused". If you didn't want me to address it specifically you should've provided more than one case to support your point.

The player is given a choice in this matter since Guy's attitude towards Mason believing himself to be a man isn't prefixed. You can make your MC supportive or the opposite.
 
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Mason responds "well enough" to Guy misgendering him because he's been on streets sucking dicks long enough that he knows better than rock the boat with his current benefactor just to feel good about his gender identity being respected. Doesn't mean it's something that he internally just shrugs off and is like whatever and doesn't mind at all.
Didn't Ghost also say that Mason is more willing to go along with how the mc treats him until he gains the confidence to set boundaries?
 
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Is she actually willing to do that without any coercion or pressure at this point in the story (season 1)? Doesn't seem to fit
looked at the pictures in the folder, there a couple where si does a bj and gets photographed with the phone, not present in the rape/goodbye route, so i thought maybe there is a mild version
 

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I have offered alternative explanation to the part which you cited as reason you believe Mason to be "still confused". If you didn't want me to address it specifically you should've provided more than one case to support your point.

The player is given a choice in this matter since Guy's attitude towards Mason believing himself to be a man isn't prefixed. You can make your MC supportive or the opposite.
Yes, I have tried all the Mason routes (best to my knowledge) and as a whole think the character is inconsistent enough to come off as confused. I didn't want to recite every instance or thought that I needed to.
 
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