If im reading the progress report correctly it looks like theres less than 10 scenes left to add to the game before its officially "released"
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Look again, the progress report also has the "remaining programming" category that includes Bug fixes, Win 11 optimization etc.
Some of those things can be used to further stall release date for a few months.
In game it looks even worse, they are saying the next demo will only be level 1 of the game and somehow thats considered a finished game release. They have shown at least 5 levels over the years so this thing could potentially take years more to make.
Hey HW I know you saw my post cuz you're crying on Discord about it. I give a lot of H games a shot even if everything isn't for me. Mad isn't even a descriptor here, I'm disappointed. So much of your effort went into the terminals and story, i know you made it so you could skip it but I gave it a shot. How is your take away that I'm mad it wasn't for me? Childish.
I TRIED to opt into the dialog and it wasn't engaging, those are my thoughts. What sort of response can I have if your defense is "mad cuz not for you". Launch day is gonna be rough for you, buddy. Can't just plug your ears and scream "LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU" forever. I purposefully didn't post on the review page because I didn't want to rate my experience as stars and tank the thread rating over how I personally felt about what you've presented.
I look forward to this one screen capped and posted to your hugbox.
I TRIED to opt into the dialog and it wasn't engaging, those are my thoughts. What sort of response can I have if your defense is "mad cuz not for you". Launch day is gonna be rough for you, buddy. Can't just plug your ears and scream "LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU" forever. I purposefully didn't post on the review page because I didn't want to rate my experience as stars and tank the thread rating over how I personally felt about what you've presented.
I look forward to this one screen capped and posted to your hugbox.
I stopped being a patreon supporter back in 2019 do to the lack of demos coming out, It's kinda nuts how it's not finished yet.
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i can't believe this game is still not only being worked on! But that people are still giving money to the devs this game had so much potential way back in the day key part there being (back in the day). but hey do what you will with your money i've fallen for a few money traps in my day looking at you MGI. if the devs actually manage to release the game i'll give it a shot! and if not it'll be thrown back into the dark a forgotten corners of the net.
This honestly feels like a completely different game and I don't know how to feel about it. I feel like other people have already said the things that I am feeling as well such as PM21 so I don't want to retype what has already been said. The one thing I will say is the personalities on some of the enemies are very off putting and annoying especially the Flame Trooper which was actually a boner killer.
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Maybe you could do what that other guy said, but you should be able to just jump from below them as they're on and get up.
It's easier if you wiggle left and right as you're trying to ascend, the moment you're out of the draft gravity yanks you back down, also holding space will propel you higher faster.
Hilariously enough, it's not. Except for the addition of a lot of static NPCs to converse with, this demo is almost identical to the v0.49 Fire Level demo from February of 2021.
The intro to the level itself is mapped out slightly different, the room layout before dropping onto the main save pad was altered. But the only additions seem to be talking to the king at the start, and then a bunch of voiced words.
I saw basically everything you can in one go of the demo, got almost every achievement too. But I spent way, way more time talking to NPCs than actually playing a videogame.
I finally got an explanation that foreshadows why Talia turned into a blue demon in the boss loss scene from like 8 years ago, but the writing overall was very dry. As others said, the porn wasn't very erotic, and the scenes were finished long before I could.
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I havent try the demo yet, so i jus want to know before trying the demo, any cutscene in it?
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After playing the new demo, I'm gonna have to agree with PM21's review on the point of there being so much text for the databanks. If it was maybe just one paragraph or even one page it'd probably be fine, but having to read through several boxes of text or just mash your way through the dialogue gets tedious verrrryyy fast. Granted it's not mandatory, but when the focus of an action-oriented game appears to be, in part, to tell a story with detailed worldbuilding, you run into a situation where you have two core tenets of the game that feel like they're competing for your attention to get the full experience. However, the way those tenets have been implemented (platforming and storytelling) directly conflicts with each other.
Action-oriented games are, by design, supposed to keep the player engaged and moving all about a level, so having that gameplay flow be interrupted by what feels like pages out of a novel is jarring to say the least. Conversely, rich worldbuilding stories are typically read at a slower and gradual pace, contrary to pace of an action-oriented game. It's not like this balance can't be reached either, the Metroid Prime games do this with the scan visor. You scan a thing while you can still move, it gets recorded, and you can either read a short blurb there or enter a menu to read all the detailed lore and entries. Why a similar function couldn't be a part of this game, I don't know. If there was a way to quickly interact with a databank without having to bring the game to a screeching halt, that would overall improve the gameplay imo.
Action-oriented games are, by design, supposed to keep the player engaged and moving all about a level, so having that gameplay flow be interrupted by what feels like pages out of a novel is jarring to say the least. Conversely, rich worldbuilding stories are typically read at a slower and gradual pace, contrary to pace of an action-oriented game. It's not like this balance can't be reached either, the Metroid Prime games do this with the scan visor. You scan a thing while you can still move, it gets recorded, and you can either read a short blurb there or enter a menu to read all the detailed lore and entries. Why a similar function couldn't be a part of this game, I don't know. If there was a way to quickly interact with a databank without having to bring the game to a screeching halt, that would overall improve the gameplay imo.
I'm in agreement for the most part. I can't really comment on the overall quality of the writing if I'm skipping through much of it - I will give props for having reactive and interlinked side/sub-plots within the levels, but it feels like that much effort and intricacy would be best reserved for a project of its own - because so much of it is disconnected from most of the audience's motivation for playing the game - much of it isn't erotic in nature - and this especially shows in the H-scenes themselves.
With the team, talents and resources they have - the art is good, the gameplay and level design are at least competent, and while maybe not befitting a porn game, branching/reactive dialog sequences and side-quests and morality systems with consequences aren't trivial things to develop, and like it or not people are willing to fund its development - they could easily (""easily"") make an S-tier H-game.
They just need to refactor where the efforts and resources go. Give us a boilerplate "majik gurl save da worl!! Rapey monsters o noe!!1!" or basically any other premise, an intro cutscene or even just a blurb to establish the setting, the character, their goal and their obstacles. Pump the majority of the effort into creating the enemies, their animations and any other H-scenes, and if you want to spice things up, systems that tie in to that - arousal, corruption, status effects, clothing destruction etc.
The levels this takes place in don't need to be elaborate, puzzling or challenging to figure out. Shit, Guilty Hell and its sequel are amongst the most highly-anticipated and well-regarded H-games out there, and their levels are mostly flat left-right side-scrolling with a minimum of platforming and the occasional gimmick. What carries them is their atmosphere for one, but mainly the content they contain. Some of that is dialog, but with most of it being untranslated, it gets skipped through just the same.
When I talk S-Tier, Mission Mermaiden and its upcoming sequel Hachina Ghost Story (
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) are amongst the examples I'd give. Most of its enemies die in one hit its levels are basic with some platforming. IIRC only the main character and antagonists are voiced. It's not going to pick up many points in the gameplay or story department and it's not trying to - instead its focus is on the H-content, with ample enemy variety and status-effects that can each re-contextualize the scenes, in a more immediate sense.Even Kooonsoft's games, while not terribly ambitious even on the scale of H-games - they don't fuck around, they just get straight to the fucking. Dead simple gameplay, practically no plot, and a relative wealth of smut content compared to its length and the investment it asks of the player.
This doesn't mean there's no room for story and characters and all that jazz - but I feel these things are best treated as a fine spice.
All this to say, I hope that once they're finally done with FF and are ready to start a new project, they go with something more straight-forwards - less voice-acting, less writing, more fucking and faster turn-around.
OmniFurious
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To Noble 6,
Hey friend, it's me again. Can you clarify whether you meant that you "saw everything there is in the demo in one run", or that "you saw everything one run lets you see".
Thank you, have a blessed day
OmniFurious
I did, but I think I worded it poorly. I saw as much as I could if you only do one runthrough.
Anything else would require a second save file to be done, but I also don't feel what I saw justifies a second playthrough of it. The platforming isn't very exciting, and the writing isn't engaging enough to make me do it all a second time.
The only thing I missed was the one imp on the bottom left. He refused to talk to me, presumably because of my alignment.
Yep, this is its first and biggest problem. The two don't mesh together in the slightest, at least in the way this game attempts them.
Yeah you're on the money. Though you are forgetting the third element in this proverbial tug-of-war - and this applies on both the player and developer side - that's the adult content. It already competes with the gameplay its self in a sense - if you're watching a scene, you've lost or brought yourself closer to losing - and interrupted the action gameplay and progression therein. Having long dialog sequences, cutscenes and lore dumps diminshes it even further. This town (ie my attention span and why I'm invested in playing any given H-game) aint big enough for the three of them.
I think there's some merit to this, though I don't know if I entirely agree.
But as an example, another platformer got posted here recently, Kiera Chase & the God Game, a sidescroller. It had very good scenes, and the art is nice. But the actual action-platformer segments didn't have anything to do with the rest at all. So people (myself included) suggested removing the instakill spike segments, but keeping the presentation of a sidescroller walkaround.
This game has the same problem, but it's too far along. You're either doing a platformer segment, a dialogue/terminal segment, or the very brief sex segments (many of which are only scene if you somehow died). But you can't do all three at once, or even two at once.
This wasn't as apparent in the past. Previous demos lacked most of these NPCs, so most text was kept to the terminals, but even back then people would suggest mashing through them. Now we have twice as much of that.
I read the dialogue of every NPC I met this time, but man some of those drone on. Several minutes, if you let their full voiceclips play out. I always feel like I have to readjust back to playing a platformer after that, like my eyes readjusting after turning the lights on.
