Others Girl Games [v0.5.6 Hotfix] [danasavage]

[f96zonetrooper]

Yeah, more M/M will be available soon, don't worry. Hopefully on the next update!

You are speaking about the Glory Hole scene where mc has the option to suck an anonymous dick and which was present in earlier versions but not in current version?

On tfgames.site the game does not have the MM tag.
Here somebody added the gay tag allthough in current content the mc is still in MF mode trying to get closer to some girls (Amy, Heather, Jennifer). Maybe he feels uncomfortable when seeing another male with a bigger dick in the shower, but having a small dick does not make a guy gay.

There are many games here and on tfgames.site with that theme and most follow the same pattern :
sandbox game, heterosexual (beta) male meets dominant girl, is tricked or blackmailed to crossdress, turns (magically) bi/gay (kinetic novel writing) and ends as cum dump for males. (M2F transformation optional)
It seems there is a strong community (not me!) who expect games to follow that pattern.

On your homepage (linked in OP) you mention that the game is based on a novel (ca 135p) and you published about 200 short novels (most ca 45p)(it seems all : transgender novels / First Time Feminization)) (all available via amazon as part of kindle unlimited). (I have not read any of them, so I don't know how they end in general.)

Will the player have options to control the mc's sexual orientation or will the game force mc on a gay path anyway?
Based on current characters I would expect a variety of paths :
- Amy : vanilla sex or light femdom, crossdressing optional
- Heather : crossdressing + vanilla sex
- Jennifer : crossdressing + femdom, slavery
- roommate or the male model : gay path, crossdressing optional
But that is just a guess ... I have not read the novel, so I don't know what you have planned.

In case that the game's long term story is limited to just tell mc's coming out how he discovered that he is gay and became TS, please add a warning in the OP so that players don't mistake it for a trap story where mc crossdresses to have fun / sex with some girls.

 

[Pakhawaj]

I played this a couple of versions ago, declined Jennifer in the hope that she would get her revenge somehow, but nothing happened after that? Is this game still barebones?

 

[danasavage]

You are speaking about the Glory Hole scene where mc has the option to suck an anonymous dick and which was present in earlier versions but not in current version?

On tfgames.site the game does not have the MM tag.
Here somebody added the gay tag allthough in current content the mc is still in MF mode trying to get closer to some girls (Amy, Heather, Jennifer). Maybe he feels uncomfortable when seeing another male with a bigger dick in the shower, but having a small dick does not make a guy gay.

There are many games here and on tfgames.site with that theme and most follow the same pattern :
sandbox game, heterosexual (beta) male meets dominant girl, is tricked or blackmailed to crossdress, turns (magically) bi/gay (kinetic novel writing) and ends as cum dump for males. (M2F transformation optional)
It seems there is a strong community (not me!) who expect games to follow that pattern.

On your homepage (linked in OP) you mention that the game is based on a novel (ca 135p) and you published about 200 short novels (most ca 45p)(it seems all : transgender novels / First Time Feminization)) (all available via amazon as part of kindle unlimited). (I have not read any of them, so I don't know how they end in general.)

Will the player have options to control the mc's sexual orientation or will the game force mc on a gay path anyway?
Based on current characters I would expect a variety of paths :
- Amy : vanilla sex or light femdom, crossdressing optional
- Heather : crossdressing + vanilla sex
- Jennifer : crossdressing + femdom, slavery
- roommate or the male model : gay path, crossdressing optional
But that is just a guess ... I have not read the novel, so I don't know what you have planned.

In case that the game's long term story is limited to just tell mc's coming out how he discovered that he is gay and became TS, please add a warning in the OP so that players don't mistake it for a trap story where mc crossdresses to have fun / sex with some girls.

The core of this game is feminization. It's tag line is "a first-time feminization adventure" and, yeah, like pretty much 100% of my published eBooks (including the novella this game is based on), if the player follows either of the two main storylines (Heather or Jennifer), they'll start out as a dweeby guy and end up as a sexy chick. I'm putting the majority of my work and focus into those two storylines until I've hit the competition and it's aftermath (Chapters 6 & 7), after which I'll be putting a lot more work into the surrounding game world - which will include opportunities for all kinds of hookups and content outside of the core 'feminization' stuff.

In the next update (0.5.3) I'm hoping to have two random npcs you can interract with (and hookup with) at the nightclub - an older woman and a guy. The guy will be bi, so he'll be into you whether or not you're 'en femme'. This is one example of the kind of stuff I'll be adding to the game world. So eventually, even if you ignore Heather and Jennifer and the competition completely, there'll still be some stuff you can do - either as a straight guy trying to hook up with Amy or female NPCs, or as a gay guy, blowing/having sex with anonymous dicks at the Adult Bookstore gloryholes or going home with guys at the club (so long as they're either bi or gay).

Hopefully this all makes sense! The TL ; DR recap is: there will be 'gay' content - and i'm aiming to have at least one totally optional M/M hookup by the next update, all being well. But the game at its core will focus mostly on feminization and the MC's experiences hooking up with guys (and girls) while presenting as a girl themselves.

 

[danasavage]

I played this a couple of versions ago, declined Jennifer in the hope that she would get her revenge somehow, but nothing happened after that? Is this game still barebones?

I mean this in good faith, but declining Jennifer (and therefore opting out of the main storyline) is kind of an edge case, so it seems a little unfair to me to view the game as 'barebones' on those terms.

Eventually yeah, Jennifer probably will get her revenge - right now if you argue back or tell her you're done, it's storing a variable that I'll be using at a later point for this exact reason, but there's still so much to do on writing her main storyline - her training you up to be a girl and compete in the games. So if you carry on along that route, then hopefully the game isn't quite so 'barebones'. But if you want to be able to try out edge cases and still have content, then I'd advise checking back maybe in 6 months time or so, when I'll hopefully have the main storylines all done and have fleshed out the game world a lot more with extra/side content!

 

[f96zonetrooper]

The core of this game is feminization. It's tag line is "a first-time feminization adventure" and, yeah, like pretty much 100% of my published eBooks (including the novella this game is based on), if the player follows either of the two main storylines (Heather or Jennifer), they'll start out as a dweeby guy and end up as a sexy chick. I'm putting the majority of my work and focus into those two storylines until I've hit the competition and it's aftermath (Chapters 6 & 7), after which I'll be putting a lot more work into the surrounding game world - which will include opportunities for all kinds of hookups and content outside of the core 'feminization' stuff.

In the next update (0.5.3) I'm hoping to have two random npcs you can interract with (and hookup with) at the nightclub - an older woman and a guy. The guy will be bi, so he'll be into you whether or not you're 'en femme'. This is one example of the kind of stuff I'll be adding to the game world. So eventually, even if you ignore Heather and Jennifer and the competition completely, there'll still be some stuff you can do - either as a straight guy trying to hook up with Amy or female NPCs, or as a gay guy, blowing/having sex with anonymous dicks at the Adult Bookstore gloryholes or going home with guys at the club (so long as they're either bi or gay).

Hopefully this all makes sense! The TL ; DR recap is: there will be 'gay' content - and i'm aiming to have at least one totally optional M/M hookup by the next update, all being well. But the game at its core will focus mostly on feminization and the MC's experiences hooking up with guys (and girls) while presenting as a girl themselves.

Imho the motivation to do crossdressing experiments depends on the status, sexual orientation and opportunities :
- an alpha male mc won't do feminization since he can get every girl or boy he wants through his higher attractiveness unless he has a feminization fetish.
- a heterosexual beta male mc may agree to do some crossdressing if it increases his chance to meet more girls and eventually to have sex with a girl. In relationship with a girl he may agree to crossdress/roleplay to please his female partner, eg if the partner or both have a lesbian or lezdom fetish. A heterosexual male would not crossdress to hook up with a guy or have sex with him since he is not interested in guys.
- a bisexual male may mc use crossdressing to hook up with both girls and other bisexual males.
- a beta gay male mc may use crossdressing to hook up with bisexual males. To hook up with gay males, the crossdressing should not be needed since I would expect that gay men do not look for female sexual attractions but rather for masculine features.

Full feminization using hormones, surgery or magic is a different topic. (For a heterosexual male an M2F transformation would not make much sense and I doubt that a heterosexual male transformed to a female would always change his sexual preference from female partner to male partner.)

So for a sandbox game it is important that both the heterosexual and gay events are avoidable unless you want to limit your game to eg a bisexual or gay audience. It is important that the player can control the mc's sexual orientation and the mc's reactions on other characters and events should reflect the sexual orientation. (If the mc shall have the option to go from heterosexual to bi or gay, you need to implement a game mechanism, eg porn preferences or dialog options where mc/player can opt for bi or gay content. To suck a dick at a glory hole as a heterosexual male is a rather strange action and should not be an option unless there is more context like a bet, a reward, etc.)

Regarding the campus, you should consider for future updates to maybe include a gym, a library and some other locations to pass time in the evening. A sorority would also be interesting as test if mc can infiltrate them as girl and hook up with some girls.

 

[danasavage]

Imho the motivation to do crossdressing experiments depends on the status, sexual orientation and opportunities :
- an alpha male mc won't do feminization since he can get every girl or boy he wants through his higher attractiveness unless he has a feminization fetish.
- a heterosexual beta male mc may agree to do some crossdressing if it increases his chance to meet more girls and eventually to have sex with a girl. In relationship with a girl he may agree to crossdress/roleplay to please his female partner, eg if the partner or both have a lesbian or lezdom fetish. A heterosexual male would not crossdress to hook up with a guy or have sex with him since he is not interested in guys.
- a bisexual male may mc use crossdressing to hook up with both girls and other bisexual males.
- a beta gay male mc may use crossdressing to hook up with bisexual males. To hook up with gay males, the crossdressing should not be needed since I would expect that gay men do not look for female sexual attractions but rather for masculine features.

Full feminization using hormones, surgery or magic is a different topic. (For a heterosexual male an M2F transformation would not make much sense and I doubt that a heterosexual male transformed to a female would always change his sexual preference from female partner to male partner.)

So for a sandbox game it is important that both the heterosexual and gay events are avoidable unless you want to limit your game to eg a bisexual or gay audience. It is important that the player can control the mc's sexual orientation and the mc's reactions on other characters and events should reflect the sexual orientation. (If the mc shall have the option to go from heterosexual to bi or gay, you need to implement a game mechanism, eg porn preferences or dialog options where mc/player can opt for bi or gay content. To suck a dick at a glory hole as a heterosexual male is a rather strange action and should not be an option unless there is more context like a bet, a reward, etc.)

Regarding the campus, you should consider for future updates to maybe include a gym, a library and some other locations to pass time in the evening. A sorority would also be interesting as test if mc can infiltrate them as girl and hook up with some girls.

I get what you're saying, but don't forget the - quite common - urge that sometimes presents itself to seemingly 'straight' guys where, when dressed as girls, they might find themselves inhabiting that headspace, and suddenly wondering what it might feel like to please a guy, the same way a 'real' girl would ...

Similarly, a so-far-straight boy, who found himself alone in a seedy video cabin, with blowjob porn playing on the screen, might suddenly be overcome with the urge to secretly suck or jack off the big hard dick that came sliding through the hole ... right?

Obviously, yeah, I'm not denying any of what you're saying, but i also think a lot of the fun in a game like mine might come from those what-ifs. i guess lewdgames are a fun way to explore and try out things we might not do in real life, the same way crossdressing gives a person access to a whole other 'persona' - a slutty girl who might do much wilder things than her boring male counterpart!

As for other stuff on campus, other game mechanics, etc, trust me I can't wait to be at that luxury point where I can start thinking about fleshing out and complicating the game world, building in a whole bunch more locations and sidequests and stuff. But I'm not sure if you've paid much attention to the other comments both on this thread and TFGames (where this game is gathering almost nothing but negativity and bad reviews), and I'm just hyper aware that I should get the main central story lines locked in (ASAP) without deviating from that plan! It seems like everyone is still gonna remind me that there's 'no content' or that i should never have switched from Twine, or that i should go back to Twine, but I know I just need to use the limited time I have to work on this game to stay strong and keep ploughing forward, until I've got the main storyline(s) complete, before I even think about any other cool stuff to try and add in!

 

[f96zonetrooper]

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But I'm not sure if you've paid much attention to the other comments both on this thread and TFGames (where this game is gathering almost nothing but negativity and bad reviews), and I'm just hyper aware that I should get the main central story lines locked in (ASAP) without deviating from that plan! It seems like everyone is still gonna remind me that there's 'no content' or that i should never have switched from Twine, or that i should go back to Twine, but I know I just need to use the limited time I have to work on this game to stay strong and keep ploughing forward, until I've got the main storyline(s) complete, before I even think about any other cool stuff to try and add in!

I played the html-version of the game.
Imho the negative comments mostly target the decision to switch engines several times but not the game/story in general. Most players would probably be happy with the default sugarcube html game engine (with back button) to play through the story, but since it is your game and we get it for free, the decision which engine to use is completely on your side ... Just continue your way step by step ...

... don't forget the - quite common - urge that sometimes presents itself to seemingly 'straight' guys where, when dressed as girls, they might find themselves inhabiting that headspace, and suddenly wondering what it might feel like to please a guy, the same way a 'real' girl would ...

Similarly, a so-far-straight boy, who found himself alone in a seedy video cabin, with blowjob porn playing on the screen, might suddenly be overcome with the urge to secretly suck or jack off the big hard dick that came sliding through the hole ... right?

No ... I don't think so.
I think most guys are happy to play with their own dick but have no interest in playing with other dicks. Somehow playing with the other sex' stuff is more interesting : guys like to play with girls' boobs, pussy and ass while girls like to experiment with a dick to see how it works.
I noticed that I like to watch lesbian porn to not have to look at male actors or dicks all the time. If you are focused on females, a porn with 2 girls is better than one with a guy and a girl, especially if in many poses the guy hides the girl. I don't mind seeing colored dildos and strap-ons but looking at the dicks of other men is unpleasant and seems ... gay? So keeping dick events with male NPCs optional would be fine.
So playing a male mc who crossdresses as a girl and has sex with girls may not be motivated by gay bias but rather by vanilla and lesbian porn preference ...

 

[Shelscott50]

It would be nice if the player/mc could opt early to see bi/gay content or not. Some players are more interested in the crossdress+girls scenario while others may prefer crossdress+males. If the mc with small dick is really not interested in other males, it should be enough to once state this instead of having the mc/player check every dialog for the heterosexual dialog option. Maybe gray out the bi/gay dialog options for heterosexual mc.


About the story progression :
I just replayed the 1st week ... mc arrives at the college at sunday, gets a pink flyer, waits until friday and then eg Heather takes him home, has him strip naked, shower, shave, gives him kind of a handjob and orders him to wear panties and keep shaved ... This still feels very rushed and it lacks reason and motivation why mc should agree to all this while she stays fully clothed.

It would be more reasonable if Heather would try to seduce him step by step and manipulate circumstances to reach her objectives, eg
- flirt with mc during the week
- check if he is more into girls or boys
- try to seduce mc to accept the game
- invite mc to discuss the game, accidentally drop a drink on him (or both) so that he has to take a shower and maybe wear some of her stuff until his clothes are washed and dried or just change next to him and seduce/dare him to wear her stuff ...
- feel his skin and mention that she loves the soft skin of girls, let him feel her soft skin
- give him some underwear or maybe her (warm) underwear to wear
- mention that female underwear looks and feels better with shaved body
...

It makes a difference if the story just follows the established blueprint of sissification/transformation games without reason :
- wear panties
- shave body
...
or if the girl has her individual motivation why to feminize mc (eg a bet between Jennifer and Heather to win the game or a bisexual/crossdress fetish) and if the mc has his own motivation why to follow the path on his own step by step (eg to get sexual gratification).


A lot of players seem to have problems with the money system. The mc starts without money, can borrow some money for the bus, it takes a week to get some money from family and to work as model to earn more money ... This further limits options during the first week where not much happens anyway.

Sadly, I think the money issue is Designed this way, on purpose, to get players to subscribe to his Patreon; for access to the Cheat codes (THIS Isn't the 1st game I have played where the DEV has attempted to do that to Drive Up Subscriptions).

 

[danasavage]

Sadly, I think the money issue is Designed this way, on purpose, to get players to subscribe to his Patreon; for access to the Cheat codes (THIS Isn't the 1st game I have played where the DEV has attempted to do that to Drive Up Subscriptions).

*her but ...

honestly, while it might not seem like it from the outside, the game is designed to be played without any kind of cheat code. the first money you can get in the game lands on Saturday/Day 6 - the call from your folks. Which is timed just as you feel like you've exhaused the campus setting and opens up the city. The items are designed to be just frustratingly too expensive for you to rinse through all the content in one go. Obviously there will be more jobs added to the game soon, and i need to double check some of the prices of things, but I swear, this is not all some nefarious plan to make the game impossible without a cheat code (if that's what you're hinting at? Apologies if i've misread this!)

I added the cheat panel in on the last build, almost as an afterthought, and yes, it's there for patrons - who've probably played the game a few times and want to quickly buy some of the new items or fast progress through the story to see the new content, as a little thank you for supporting me. I hope that makes sense?

 

[Shelscott50]

I played the html-version of the game.
Imho the negative comments mostly target the decision to switch engines several times but not the game/story in general. Most players would probably be happy with the default sugarcube html game engine (with back button) to play through the story, but since it is your game and we get it for free, the decision which engine to use is completely on your side ... Just continue your way step by step ...



No ... I don't think so.
I think most guys are happy to play with their own dick but have no interest in playing with other dicks. Somehow playing with the other sex' stuff is more interesting : guys like to play with girls' boobs, pussy and ass while girls like to experiment with a dick to see how it works.
I noticed that I like to watch lesbian porn to not have to look at male actors or dicks all the time. If you are focused on females, a porn with 2 girls is better than one with a guy and a girl, especially if in many poses the guy hides the girl. I don't mind seeing colored dildos and strap-ons but looking at the dicks of other men is unpleasant and seems ... gay? So keeping dick events with male NPCs optional would be fine.
So playing a male mc who crossdresses as a girl and has sex with girls may not be motivated by gay bias but rather by vanilla and lesbian porn preference ...

YES, absolutely!! I agree 110%.
I am also a Huge fan of Lesbian porn.
(Not Only for the same reasons mentioned above (Not wanting to see a man's c*ck); but If you have noticed, Male actors cannot ACT for shit anymore! 'Just reading lines/dialog' then get to f*cking.
I Miss the Good Ol days when Porn actually had Good storyline, decent dialog/scripts, and the Actors/Actresses could ACTUALLY Act.

 

[Shelscott50]

*her but ...

honestly, while it might not seem like it from the outside, the game is designed to be played without any kind of cheat code. the first money you can get in the game lands on Saturday/Day 6 - the call from your folks. Which is timed just as you feel like you've exhaused the campus setting and opens up the city. The items are designed to be just frustratingly too expensive for you to rinse through all the content in one go. Obviously there will be more jobs added to the game soon, and i need to double check some of the prices of things, but I swear, this is not all some nefarious plan to make the game impossible without a cheat code (if that's what you're hinting at? Apologies if i've misread this!)

I added the cheat panel in on the last build, almost as an afterthought, and yes, it's there for patrons - who've probably played the game a few times and want to quickly buy some of the new items or fast progress through the story to see the new content, as a little thank you for supporting me. I hope that makes sense?

So. You are suggesting that the Game is designed that Our MC has no need for money during the 1st week?
I find it kinda hard to believe that a student; 1st day at college, would arrive 'Flat broke'.
- Not even enough $$ for food.

 

[danasavage]

So. You are suggesting that the Game is designed that Our MC has no need for money during the 1st week?
I find it kinda hard to believe that a student; 1st day at college, would arrive 'Flat broke'.
- Not even enough $$ for food.

I'm suggesting that within the world of the game - which isn't supposed to be an exact mirror of real life - the reason there's no money until Day 6 is to keep you on campus, which makes it more fun when the second area (the city) opens up on the Saturday. It was a design decision, not an evil plot to drive people to my Patreon by making the game 'unplayable' or whatever without a cheat code.

 

[Shelscott50]

I'm suggesting that within the world of the game - which isn't supposed to be an exact mirror of real life - the reason there's no money until Day 6 is to keep you on campus, which makes it more fun when the second area (the city) opens up on the Saturday. It was a design decision, not an evil plot to drive people to my Patreon by making the game 'unplayable' or whatever without a cheat code.

I am currently playing the Online version and considering DLing the game.
While playing, Day 6, Friday night, I agree, I have found No justifiable reason to leave Campus, so No reason to ask roommate to borrow $5.
I am curious, I had no intention of leaving the 'event', but If I had what would have happened??
- Game says that it would have ended the game contest. Does that also mean the game would end?

 

[Pakhawaj]

I mean this in good faith, but declining Jennifer (and therefore opting out of the main storyline) is kind of an edge case, so it seems a little unfair to me to view the game as 'barebones' on those terms.

Eventually yeah, Jennifer probably will get her revenge - right now if you argue back or tell her you're done, it's storing a variable that I'll be using at a later point for this exact reason, but there's still so much to do on writing her main storyline - her training you up to be a girl and compete in the games. So if you carry on along that route, then hopefully the game isn't quite so 'barebones'. But if you want to be able to try out edge cases and still have content, then I'd advise checking back maybe in 6 months time or so, when I'll hopefully have the main storylines all done and have fleshed out the game world a lot more with extra/side content!

No worries, thanks for the info. I think I'll do just that.
I will say that, as a player, you can't really know what is an "edge case" since you don't know where the game is going to go. If I see an option that appeals to me, I'm going to take it. Sorry if I was being unfair, or if I expressed myself rudely though.

 

[danasavage]

No worries, thanks for the info. I think I'll do just that.
I will say that, as a player, you can't really know what is an "edge case" since you don't know where the game is going to go. If I see an option that appeals to me, I'm going to take it. Sorry if I was being unfair, or if I expressed myself rudely though.

I apologise if I was a little blunt too. This game seems to get a lot of negative comments, and it's hard to stay positive all the time. And like I said, that option is definitely going to be something that's filled in in the future. But right now I need to keep focussed on the main/central 'Girl Games' storyline until it's complete (i.e. from the moment you get the flyer to the aftermath of you competing in the competition).

 

[danasavage]

I am currently playing the Online version and considering DLing the game.
While playing, Day 6, Friday night, I agree, I have found No justifiable reason to leave Campus, so No reason to ask roommate to borrow $5.
I am curious, I had no intention of leaving the 'event', but If I had what would have happened??
- Game says that it would have ended the game contest. Does that also mean the game would end?

If you'd left the event, for now it would just mean that the main Heather/Jennifer/Girl Games storyline would be disabled. You'd still be able to explore, go to classes, pursue Amy, etc, but all the feminization stuff would be off limits. That said, I will be building in an optional 'self feminization' route that opens up, should you wish to take it, if you ignore the Girl Games stuff on Friday night.

 

[Shelscott50]

If you'd left the event, for now it would just mean that the main Heather/Jennifer/Girl Games storyline would be disabled. You'd still be able to explore, go to classes, pursue Amy, etc, but all the feminization stuff would be off limits. That said, I will be building in an optional 'self feminization' route that opens up, should you wish to take it, if you ignore the Girl Games stuff on Friday night.

Maybe, If You want. But Not necessary. I was just asking what would happen...
( You could add the Receptionist to the Party with something like, "Sorry I am late, Ladies. I got a lil ... distracted." and she could block the exit. Or just remove the option to leave.)
I prefer the Heather route over Jennifer's; but Jennifer is HOT too (and be FUN, if you are into that kind of Kink)
I am curious to find out what Jennifer has in-store for Our MC.

 

[AyaseMiruke]

I have several problems, it won't let me call Jennifer, and when it's exam day it won't let me do anything.

 

[danasavage]

I have several problems, it won't let me call Jennifer, and when it's exam day it won't let me do anything.

Hi! The game is not complete yet - you should have hit a screen at that point saying something like "that's it for now folks". Right now, if you've got to the point with Jennifer where you've gone to her apartment and she's made you jack off, then that's all the Jennifer content right now (although the next chapter will hopefully be out VERY soon).
Same with the exam - this is going to come into effect once you reach week four in the game and will be its own mini game, plus there'll be content based on whether you do/don't pass it. So it's not implemented yet. I'm focussing on the main storylines right now (Heather, Jennifer and Amy) and working forwards from the start. I'm hoping all the main content up to the end of week four and the Girl Games competition will be complete by Chapter Six - and I'm about to release Chapter Three. I hope that makes sense!

 

[Laughingfox]

It's been a bit since I've delved into this one, so I'm going to shamelessly lob some questions into the air and hope they stick the landing.

Is it possibly to hit the story routes without chastity cages and the like? (Not a dig to those that enjoy it, but it's probably one of my least favorite aspects of the genre.) How far can the MC go with the physical changes?

This one is kind of niche for this style of story, but can they retain their wang and become a confident, switch style smoking hottie with something extra?

I suppose the the last on is regards to the extra content or paths - it could be interesting or amusing to have a 'rival' or another supporting character that has a path echoing your own. I.E. start as a bloke, goes down the rabbit hole of becoming a lady. Even better if they end up paired up or competing here and there in the games. Potentially develop a alliance or even romance along the way. A silly idea, I'm sure.