VN Ren'Py Completed Good Girl Gone Bad [v1.2 Jasmin DLC] [Eva Kiss]

[theders]

There's no walkthrough for 0.6 out yet, it seems. Did you maybe just copy the 0.6 files into your 0.5 folder? Because that means you literally still run 0.5, as Evakiss changed the packaging from .rpy to .rpa. Happened to me too.

How to get there: Seems pretty straightforward to me. Be the goodest girl, have dinner out with dad, he'll be cool when meeting moms new BF because you always kept having his back, later next day you receive the dildo you ordered, dad asks you to spend the night with him in bed again, you schlick it watching some porn (doesn't even have to be incest porn) and then spend the night in dads bed.

The sleepy grope is the first time you sleep with your dad in your dads bed, the second time you do it, nothing more happens as far as I can tell, third time is awkward french kiss time.

Cool, I'll dig into this for research purposes when I've got the time.

Btw, is anybody else thrown off by the dad's looks though? I love the game, I love the art (Evakiss clearly has a natural feel for it), the script is excellent and varied. Overall it's one of those gems and I love that wincest is squeezed in. However, even though I like some sleaze to ramp up the corruption aspect of things, her dad really is grotesque to be honest. Just in his overall appearance, but I think the overwhelming desperation I've seen him in mostly has something to do with it.

 

[Alleykatt]

I'm fairly sure that's intentional. If you are following the good girl route, I think the Dad is more a barrier than a goal. He is a sad pathetic lonely man who latches on to you and needs to be dealt with. He is not supposed to be attractive.

This is a bit different from Eric's Dad, who is equally repugnant and awful, but in a different way. Eric's Dad is a symbol for how far you can fall. Your body and sexual self has become just a comodity that you can trade away - by making Eric's Dad physically undesirable it emphasises that your actions are not for normal sexual gratification, but are instead taking pleasure from abasement and humiliation.

I'm expecting the humiliation from Eric's Dad to get worse on the bad girl route, and for Ashley's Dad to become a 'problem' on the good girl route.

 

[Corrupted]

Cool, I'll dig into this for research purposes when I've got the time.

Btw, is anybody else thrown off by the dad's looks though? I love the game, I love the art (Evakiss clearly has a natural feel for it), the script is excellent and varied. Overall it's one of those gems and I love that wincest is squeezed in. However, even though I like some sleaze to ramp up the corruption aspect of things, her dad really is grotesque to be honest. Just in his overall appearance, but I think the overwhelming desperation I've seen him in mostly has something to do with it.

The art is by a huge margin the weakest part of the game, the dolls seems to be just traced fashion catalogues or something and the backgrounds are blurrified photographs. The dad just looks normal, his pathetic whining is likely the result of his wife (the mom) having held his balls in her purse for over a year. Being good to the dad makes him man up, while ignoring him makes him more of a pathetic loser.

The incest bit doesn't feel squeezed in at all, it's literally the logical evolution of the good girl route. Bad Girl ash is controlled by her lust and needs (for big bad manly dicks and money) while Good Girl Ashley fucks dudes she is physically repulsed by (her dad, Eric) out of love for them. It's just a question of how she uses her sexuality - For herself, her own pleasure and enrichment, or for the benefit of others. Both ways have their advantages and disadvantages - A top tier escort can make a literal million US$ in a year as a Dubai port-a-potty and live off that for the rest of her soul-crushed life, while the goodest girl ends up fucking her dad. Somewhere in the middle is the successful, traditional family life where she ends up married to a guy she actually respects, because she had enough Bad Girl to take him, and enough Good Girl to keep him.

 

[theders]

The art is by a huge margin the weakest part of the game, the dolls seems to be just traced fashion catalogues or something and the backgrounds are blurrified photographs.

It's not photorealistic and it's not supposed to be. But regardless of the "sophistication" of the artstyle, within its style it is done well and IMO does a great job of setting the stage for the story scenes.

The incest bit doesn't feel squeezed in at all

By which I mean, the incest is worked in as a component of a story not strictly about incest, I didn't mean it was rushed.

it's literally the logical evolution of the good girl route.

Seems like the logical evolution of the good girl route would be to not do things like fuck her dad.

Bad Girl ash is controlled by her lust and needs (for big bad manly dicks and money) while Good Girl Ashley fucks dudes she is physically repulsed by (her dad, Eric) out of love for them.

See a "bad girl" Ash that is, a morally loose Ash, seems more like she'd fuck anyone dad included. While to a good girl Ash, from what I've seen she's uptight enough about public displays affection with that needy bf globbing onto her. I don't think love is involved in sexual attraction like this, or rather they're separate, and I feel like if there's an emotional gratification here it's in mild femdom or something. Honestly when I got too far into that dialogue, I wouldn't even let bad girl Ash touch them. God what a cringecoaster.

Overall the corruption here seems to tie in more to cultural mores than anything, so if she's being the epitome of cultural morality it seems weird that's when she'd end up banging her dad. Unless there's some subtle social commentary there on naivete and hypocrisy in moralization, clever but unlikely.

 

[Corrupted]

It's not photorealistic and it's not supposed to be. But regardless of the "sophistication" of the artstyle, within its style it is done well and IMO does a great job of setting the stage for the story scenes.

It's genuinely crap, I say this as a drawfag of sorts. But I don't base my like or dislike of this game on the artwork. This game is incredibily ambitious because of its sheer branchiness and the fact that it is so completely female in its writing, logic and value system.

Seems like the logical evolution of the good girl route would be to not do things like fuck her dad.[...]a morally loose Ash, seems more like she'd fuck anyone dad included.

And that's why I appreciate a girl writing this, and not a guy. See, you're using "guy logic" here, as a guy who doesn't give a damn, you'd fuck everything that isn't on top of a tree before you count to three. Or at least you'd think so, when you actually get into that situation and try it, after a good romp you're exhausted and after a couple "volunteers" you are utterly drained and just want to read a good book and be left alone.

But for women, as in XX-chromosomal female, every single bit I just mentioned is quite drastically different. A "good girl" could be a sexual Mother Theresa, giving free "relief" to losers, while a "bad girl" could be a monogamous gold digger, faithfully trying to give her millionaire octogenarian husband a cardiac arrest through sheer sexual bliss. A good girl is not necessarily uptight, and a bad girl can be harder to get than any good girl you've ever met. It's not the "looseness" that makes the difference between good girl and bad girl, but the why of who she fucks. Both GGAsh and BGAsh's vagina demand, cry, stomp their feet and crave a good plowing by Chad Thundercock and BBC Tyrone - because that is just how minges are. They're small bags of skin that want awesome cock going through them at all times. But GGAsh chooses not to fuck Chad Thundercock & Friends, because it'd hurt Eric, the guy she loves. When GGAsh fucks others, it's for the sake of the others. Or to put it in more general terms: She uses her sexuality for others.

BGAsh meanwhile doesn't base her decisions on who to fuck and who not to fuck on the basis of her love, but on the basis of "what's in it for me" - Whether it's the debasing arousal and financial gain of prostitution, or the vigorous plowing of a virile Chad Thundercock, those are things that Ashley craves - and every variation of Ashley so. BGAsh fucks for herself, not for others. Observe the BGAsh route lays. Not a single one of them is out of love for anyone, only her own pussys cravings and her own desire for validation and money.

Love is something you do, for others, altruistically. Like you love your children. It's the same love that makes Ashley fuck Eric, even though he's a complete faggot. The love can go so far as for Ash to completely deny herself that which she truly craves, denying that she is into big muscly dudes, denying that she likes a strong dominant guy to use her like the piece of fuckmeat nature has made her into.

 

[kyho]

I'm genuinely impressed. By both the game and the comments, feedback etc.
This is some profound shit - I mean that in a good way.

 

[theders]

A "good girl" could be a sexual Mother Theresa, giving free "relief" to losers, while a "bad girl" could be a monogamous gold digger, faithfully trying to give her millionaire octogenarian husband a cardiac arrest through sheer sexual bliss. A good girl is not necessarily uptight, and a bad girl can be harder to get than any good girl you've ever met. It's not the "looseness" that makes the difference between good girl and bad girl, but the why of who she fucks. Both GGAsh and BGAsh's vagina demand, cry, stomp their feet and crave a good plowing by Chad Thundercock and BBC Tyrone - because that is just how minges are. They're small bags of skin that want awesome cock going through them at all times. But GGAsh chooses not to fuck Chad Thundercock & Friends, because it'd hurt Eric, the guy she loves. When GGAsh fucks others, it's for the sake of the others. Or to put it in more general terms: She uses her sexuality for others.

BGAsh meanwhile doesn't base her decisions on who to fuck and who not to fuck on the basis of her love, but on the basis of "what's in it for me" - Whether it's the debasing arousal and financial gain of prostitution, or the vigorous plowing of a virile Chad Thundercock, those are things that Ashley craves - and every variation of Ashley so. BGAsh fucks for herself, not for others. Observe the BGAsh route lays. Not a single one of them is out of love for anyone, only her own pussys cravings and her own desire for validation and money.

Love is something you do, for others, altruistically. Like you love your children. It's the same love that makes Ashley fuck Eric, even though he's a complete faggot. The love can go so far as for Ash to completely deny herself that which she truly craves, denying that she is into big muscly dudes, denying that she likes a strong dominant guy to use her like the piece of fuckmeat nature has made her into.

I'm not sure if you handing out sexual favors as a reward system for obedient boys is really loving. In fact in their dialogue I find the relationship between Ash and Eric essentially loveless, honestly. They go through the motions , and it's all for a deliberate, socially expected, kind of artificial goal, even though Eric is classically non-committal to all of it.

And that's just it. Eric is preoccupied with Eric and doesn't really have the mind to show an interest in Ash, much less an emotional interest. As a result I find their relationship quite superficial - he gets bragging rights about about dating a decent looking girl, she gets to fulfill the adult version of the teenage girl's dream as initially impressed by her mother - there's the occasional blowjob and for all intents they keep this up ad infinitum.

There's no real connection or depth to it. And in a sense I think you can call her relationships with others more authentic, were it not for the fact that they're based on a flighty premise - or perhaps because they're openly based on it. There's a real connection in that they explore exactly that in the bad guys - the flaws in people. It's brought to the surface and becomes a thing. It's just that there's not the culturally expected 2.3 kids involved as well, which is something Eric alleges to intend to pursue with Ash even if he's emotionally unavailable and confusedly throwing himself at Somalia, which by any reasonable measure should be a dealbreaker by this point honestly. However from Eric we hear nothing but whining about Eric's needs, and Eric's African messiah complex. The other characters actually touch on intimate topics.

I see it more as a sliding scale between excessively keeping up appearances v. indulging in social faux pas. Incidentally the sentiment you express here about the loose lifestyle highlights some of those expectations and the moral condemnation society at large imposes on it. It's the general liberalisation in breaking such mores that draws me to corruption in the first place.

Anyway, from that POV I'm sure you get how it's weird if the version where you maintain a culturally normative charade, is the version where you end up banging your dad.

I suppose this is where interpretation can get quite personal and I think that the fact that we're getting this deep with it really speaks to the quality of the storywriting in Good Girl Gone Bad though.

 

[theders]

I mean take that drinking game scene where you can pop Bigdick McGee the question "Have you ever been in love?" Not a word was said yet that scene showed more genuine empathy than all of the content combined with Eric up to where he shipped off to find Cecil the lion or cure ebola or whatever. It doesn't really matter, the kid will get yanked right out of that the first time he watches a squad of UN peacekeepers pistolwhip some locals or when they squeeze him for 200 bucks at customs to give him back his insulin.

The impression I got was more a balance of idealism vs. nihilism, and dominance (good girl Ash calls the shots) vs. submission (bad girl Ash goes with the flow) than ever of love really.

I'm inclined to point to a storyline that branches all over the place for such personalized experiences though I really do think Eric is an immature idiot.

 

[Corrupted]

With regards to Eric, I think we're on the same page: Fuck that guy. I've described him as the proverbial millstone around the neck before, who now unilaterally decided to effectively end the relationship (because LDR isn't)

that scene showed more genuine empathy than all of the content combined with Eric

God yes. I've talked about this scene before in this thread, it's probably one of my favorite scenes in the game. Just a small moment, a tiny gesture, and the entire character of Chad Thundercock explodes from being a 2D caricature of "Chad Thundercock" to a person with depth, deep-rooted trauma and a broken heart. Unfortunately this was probably an unintended accident by the author, otherwise we'd have more follow-up content with him by now.

I see it more as a sliding scale between excessively keeping up appearances v. indulging in social faux pas.

Keeping up appearances... No, I don't think so. When GGAsh pretends to prefer "nerdy" guys over Chad Thundercock, it's herself that she is trying to convince in the first place. GGAsh doesn't just pretend not to cheat, GGAsh actually doesn't cheat. Cheating/whoring and at the same time, keeping appearances up is more akin to the middle ground route which is what I believe the "golden ending" will be. Bad enough to catch the guy, good enough to keep the guy.

The impression I got was more a balance of idealism vs. nihilism, and dominance (good girl Ash calls the shots) vs. submission (bad girl Ash goes with the flow) than ever of love really.

Oh, no no no. You fell for the trap. Ashley loves to frame herself as the subject of others sexuality, as the near-helpless victim of manly men putting their seed into her. But that's just her masochist fantasy and projection - BGAsh is at least as much in control of her sexuality as is GGAsh, if not more so as the hotel room scene with Erics Dad scene shows. BGAsh is willing to admit to herself her preferences, and this self-knowledge gives her the edge.

BGAsh, nihilistic, though? I guess you could say that, but then GGAsh never contrasts in my view, she isn't driven by some form of conviction or idealism either, so they're both rather nihilistic. BGAsh is just more openly hedonistic.

 

[Alleykatt]

God yes. I've talked about this scene before in this thread, it's probably one of my favorite scenes in the game. Just a small moment, a tiny gesture, and the entire character of Chad Thundercock explodes from being a 2D caricature of "Chad Thundercock" to a person with depth, deep-rooted trauma and a broken heart. Unfortunately this was probably an unintended accident by the author, otherwise we'd have more follow-up content with him by now.

Really? He has the depth of a goldfish bowl. He's by far the most boring character in the game. His absolutely only attraction for women is his physique and that's it. At best, a fuck buddy.

 

[theders]

Unfortunately this was probably an unintended accident by the author, otherwise we'd have more follow-up content with him by now.

I don't know. I think Evakiss is a person who knows how to handle character development and who appreciates people aren't 2D, but their actions might be and probably for a reason. I think she's also providing us a viewpoint that explores that reason. And I think the narrative leaves a lot of these inner thoughts to the user, in a balance between setting the stage and leaving it to the imagination that's demonstrated by us having this conversation. I think it's a contributor to the formula, if you can excite the reader's imagination into filling in the blanks then those blanks are going to be filled in with the best answer for every individual reader. Freecities operates the same way, it's reputably immersive despite being a strictly text based stats game.

I suspect it's mostly just lucking out on having a natural feel for it but I really hope she keeps it up. As far as deepening Biff Horsedick goes, is it really necessary? Isn't the point of pure hedonism that it doesn't have to be a classic love story for there to be intimacy? That's where I tapped idealism. Eric's absorbed with himself and his idea, which incidentally you and I find absurd but that's a level of pragmatism that's not on his radar right now just like his loveless failing relationship. In this Eric is pursuant to a romanticized, vague ideal while not paying attention to the now, while Biff is living in the now and seemingly mourning whatever romantic experience he had. And I think bad girl Ash doesn't need a relationship there either because like both of these gents she isn't in the right place for one, or rather maybe one should just develop organically when they have enough chemistry to stick around. It's not necessarily derisive toward her and in my experience its never been, they could just be two broken people sharing some intimacy and exploring kink, knowing they can't take it further and not blowing it by trying to force it.

I feel it's one way to interpret the scenario, but I do think the whole experience is 50 percent user imagination and that's the X factor in GGGB. The story paths definitely lend to it.

 

[Corrupted]

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My estimate is that the author is simply a very experienced woman with a penchant for philosophy, even if it is just pop psy bullshit - sort of a thinking man's slut, and I do not mean that in any way denigrating, this is a woman to my own heart. However, she is not one that loves men, she is in love with (her own) female sexuality, and perceives men only as a means to that end. The entire philosophical dichotomy of the Good Girl / Bad Girl as a general trope is a bit of that nature - The idea being, you want to be at least somewhat of a bad girl and the question becomes, with how much badness can you get away with. It is an entirely female analysis of the question, and the game serves as an exploration of the topic. The question at the end of it is of course silly, as the philosophical concept of altruism vs egoism has been, if not resolved, at least lead to more satisfying conclusions than that. "Enlightened Egoism", the "Magic Hand", the "Categoric Imperative" are all concepts derived from this age-old question, and the conclusions do not become different if you apply them to sexuality.

That's for the philosophical part, the experience part is something in the gesture of Jack. The author may well have witnessed such a gesture from an IRL Chad Thundercock, liked it, and added it to the mystique of the character - for a good Chad Thundercock is certainly mysterious and ultimately unknowable. But she didn't understand it. If the author was more on the "men-loving" side of sluts, she might have looked through the gesture more easily. But it may well be that this is where male vs female thinking and understanding come into play again.

Observe:

Really? He has the depth of a goldfish bowl.

To us guys, we immediately get it. We immediately go "Oh. Oh shit." and the entire sum of "Jacks" actions is lit in an entirely new light, to any man with at least a certain worldly experience, it is clear as day. We feel that shit, right in our feels. But to women - at least the ones who do not love men with all their heart and soul and instead see them only as a means to an end - this is just part of the titillating mysterious façade of the caricature of the Chad Thundercock. And I'm afraid the author is not different from Alleykat here, as all the men in the game have been utterly pitiful and superficial characters, and only the women have been afforded some form of depth - Those small moments of unintended brilliance notwithstanding.

Still, it is an utterly fascinating view into the mind of the artist - or a competent display thereof.

 

[stoper]

God yes. I've talked about this scene before in this thread, it's probably one of my favorite scenes in the game. Just a small moment, a tiny gesture, and the entire character of Chad Thundercock explodes from being a 2D caricature of "Chad Thundercock" to a person with depth, deep-rooted trauma and a broken heart.

Really? The "bad boy with a soft heart" trope?
Cheapest way to make an anti-hero likable - say he does all the selfish crap because he had his heart broken in the past.
Very deep, just below the ankles.

 

[parismilton]

Jesus, the lenght you guys go to justify jerking off to something...

 

[wallie123]

Wow, we really have some Freuds here, don't we?
I'm kidding, it's interresting to read, so I won't complain, although I'm not sure if some of you are reading more into it, than there actually is.
I have a question though. Do you See GGA and BGA and everything between basically as the same person with the same feelings and desires, with the difference, that they just act different, or do you see them as two completely different persons, meaning, for example, that one can actually be truely in love with Eric and be proud of him for going to Africa.

 

[theders]

I think they're very different personalities by/because of their choices, but I don't think any of them can really be in love with Eric. I'm not sure Eric is up to par for a relationship like that, I think he's too preoccupied with his own confusion to even really consider someone else. So there's never really an authentic connection. But I think that's the jumping off point for GGGB to spark up the cheating, I mean it's a cheating centered hgame.

The whole first act is based on Eric's missing the connection in running off to Africa and being blind as a bat to Ash' feelings, her/their future, and frankly even day to day life right now as a couple. It doesn't seem to be much more than a facebook status to him.

If with boiler plate guidelines on fidelity. I mean it seems like hes internalized required steps for dates that he got from reddit or something, it's all very mechanical and minimum effort with no real consideration for them as a couple or empathy for Ash. It's a hamfisted agreement between two strangers more than a bond between two lovers. He doesn't know her, but he doesn't show interest so how could he?

 

[Gold613]

Jesus, the lenght you guys go to justify jerking off to something...

Wait people jerk off to these games? I thought it was all about replay ability and gameplay mechanics and the story and such :O .... We all need Yeezus in that case.

The whole first act is based on Eric's missing the connection in running off to Africa and being blind as a bat to Ash' feelings, her/their future, and frankly even day to day life right now as a couple. It doesn't seem to be much more than a facebook status to him.

I have said it before that he is selfish and blind as fuck about his relationship and the fact that while he has so to speak an amazing girl, with the shit going on in her life the stress from school and no chance of scholarship parents that are on divorce path mom just upped and left without blinking, long story short her life just turned in to a shit storm and in a situation where she needs him the most he is like yea am heading out for a trip, While sure I can understand people needing help and could use it he is not going there for just the help himself, He made it a point as to make it clear that he wants to go there for experiencing new things as "they" apparently have everything and so in other words he is bored and needs excitement in his life. So technically he has himself to blame if she was to move on or fuck someone else or whatever. Just saying, not saying she would be right or whatever but you cannot go ballistic on her if she would go somewhere else for moral support and end up with a dick or 2 in her when you fucked off to somewhere else because of your selfish reasons. Eric is in long story short an S-class Dumbass period.

 

[Deleted member 13348]

0.6 Beta is out. Not much new stuff. Scene with Wilson, Eva, Ash and the other shady guy is ready. And a little talk with the girl from the bookshop.

I just played from my last save. Maybe(!) there are other changes/news, don´t know for sure.

 

[Gold613]

0.6 Beta is out. Not much new stuff. Scene with Wilson, Eva, Ash and the other shady guy is ready. And a little talk with the girl from the bookshop.

I just played from my last save. Maybe(!) there are other changes/news, don´t know for sure.

hook me up with a download xD

 

[RimJobJimBob]

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