This here is the stuff of undevelopped adults insecure of themselves and devoid of emotion.
The anguish of not getting it on with anybody, coupled with seeing some rando dude get something,
that is IRL babes being bad to the people they know and boinking strangers.
At that point, if you ain”t getting any, then you see some other dude getting some,
that is deep down infuriating, seeing how easy some have it and thinking why you cannot get there.
This is well documented in games, the struggles of MC while someone else gets to feel good.
How would you feel if your game designated scope is boinking, like XXXING ANYONE WILLING,
but seeing some others getting it but you. That is infuriating.
Why would that be of any consequence?
It is hurtfull you need to get it on but are left seeing others getting it on, while you watch ...
This would make any gamer ask: Why do I play this game? To see some others fulfilling MY MISSION, not me ?!?
That's not what's happening in this game though, right? People are having sex *including the MC*. There's no need for anguish unless you want MC to be *the only one* having sex.
Is every character a romantic interest? Where does it reference potential romantic interests? Jealousy is the feeling when someone takes what is yours. That's the core of NTR: MC loses that what was his.
You're right that having a LI tell you about a old boyfriend and how good the sex was with him is NTR. It's designed to make the MC feel jealous.
Watching a girl you find attractive sucking a dude's dick is not NTR. She owes you no fidelity. You might be *envious*, but there's no *jealousy*. MC loses nothing because he never had it.
If you don't like voyeur content, where the MC watches girls have sex with other dudes, that's totally fine. Skip games that have voyeur content.
But what's extremely irksome is to have the same users come in to every thread and call all content they don't like "NTR" as an easy catchall and flood threads with vitriol directed at Devs who are just trying to tell a story.
Well it may not be NTR or anything but the happenings at the party including an intended bad sex with sister have taken any lust away on my side to play this update, maybe later on if those girls at the party are confirmed to be no unavoidable part in MC's sex life going forward and there is way more sexual content that is enjoyable for me instead of annoying around I might pick up this game again. For now though is a big nono and will be for many immersive players.
To answer some stuff in this thread:
There is no NTR, yes, 2 of the girls have sex with 2 of the guys, those 2 girls are just side characters, they are not and will not be love interests, I made the girls at the party bad-looking for a reason.
Yes, the scene with Lilly is bland, that's because it's supposed to be that way, meaningless, the reason it happened(and the pill) will be explained in the next update, I don't want to spoil anything, but yes, she was a virgin and yes, it was one of the reasons she went to the party.
So she went to the party to have sex with some random guy so she could lose her virginity. She has sex with her own brother in front of her friends. You don't see why people are going to rip into you for that? You might want to rethink your storyline because you can read how players are running from your game now.
But what's extremely irksome is to have the same users come in to every thread and call all content they don't like "NTR" as an easy catchall and flood threads with vitriol directed at Devs who are just trying to tell a story.
I could not agree more with you. And sometimes Devs are trying to explain themselves, that is very sad. Fortunately i like to play a lot of different games, with different kinks. I like variety
And i like this game for now, even is very short. Just the last scene is too short
At the end of the day, people are trying to convey how they feel about certain situations and use the term NTR to express it as it is short simple and although may not be 100% accurate game wise, they are trying to get across what they are feeling or the vibe they are getting from certain scenes and settings within games.
Now what seems to occur sometimes is people seize upon this to try to discredit a persons viewpoint and say but it is not NTR do not be silly and basically go away and stop being sensitive. What is occurring from my view is people want to express in a short term how they feel, they use said term above. I don't have a problem with it because I see past the term and see what they are trying to convey.
What I am noticing from experiences not including this game is more and more games are looking for loop holes to add scenes that although may not be NTR, they are trying to evoke the same feelings and emotions as that. It is just a trick to then be able to say, but it is not NTR. If devs want to do that, then so be it, but not everyone wants to get aboard that train no matter how many devs want to seem to enter that territory now as I guess they see it as untapped potential for story telling or indeed it is their own preferences or fetish and they want to get more people used to it.
Regardless, interesting thread. I have not played this game so far, I was gone for a while and slowly caught up on things I have missed in my time away. I may attempt to fit in a review of this game, if it is worth it after I play.
Don't worry, this ain't a rant, just being thorough... my thoughts on the page if you will.
Take to heart and discard what you wish, if any of it is helpful in any way then the comment served its purpose.
That about wraps up the stuff I could think of. again these are just my thoughts, don't put to much weight on them, especially if I am not the intended audience.
But just to add what I believe is the most important point once more: Be more clear about what kind of game this is and what type of audience it is for, because the current description and tags will mislead people... As you can probably already tell by the plethora of comments with certain obvious emotions behind them. I myself... am just disappointed. to be more specific disappointed that I let myself get invested. But for the emotion behind this comment, not really any just trying to be helpful by providing my personal thoughts, shitty written feedback if you will
What I am noticing from experiences not including this game is more and more games are looking for loop holes to add scenes that although may not be NTR, they are trying to evoke the same feelings and emotions as that. It is just a trick to then be able to say, but it is not NTR. If devs want to do that, then so be it, but not everyone wants to get aboard that train no matter how many devs want to seem to enter that territory now as I guess they see it as untapped potential for story telling or indeed it is their own preferences or fetish and they want to get more people used to it.
I completely agree with this. For me this is straight up ntr, or if we're being all technical about it: just as bad as regular ntr would have been. I feel like f95zone is in desperate need of more tags. Because to me, the obvious thing to do is just tag this game with ntr and save yourself and the thread of the game from a lot of bullshit discussions even if it isn't technically ntr. Because to me it is so obvious that scenes and dialogue in this game will bother the same people in the same way that ntr does.
We really need more tags for stuff like this. Like for example i love netori, but most people consider that to be under the same umbrella as ntr. Also stuff like explicitely showing sex scenes of LI from their past (not including MC) or before they get together with the mc. To me that, depending on the situation and the LI, already starts going in the direction of ntr.
Also sharing, which some people will claim isn't ntr, but for others is a no go. Even a tag that shows that the Love interests in a game are "sluts" or very promiscuous would help a lot of people navigate/avoid these games a lot better.
Also saves us from threads where person A says "i don't like this game, feels like ntr to me." to which person B gets annoyed "well it isn't tagged as ntr so obviously it isn't, just leave if you don't like it".
That's not what's happening in this game though, right? People are having sex *including the MC*. There's no need for anguish unless you want MC to be *the only one* having sex.
Personally, as long as it isn't NTR, I don't care if sex scenes without the MC present are included. But honestly, I prefer if I can skip them since I'm not interested in them at all.
In any case, a game that basically includes voyeur scenes (which I don't know if it happens in this one) won't interest me.
Not for my taste .
Extremely short update,
Bad sex scene between mc and sis, can't even get a glance of her pussy.
Sis seems infuenciable without mind her own, she fucks her brother because the slut donna said she should do something with him rather then fucking him by her own "mind", fellings or something that comes from her own.
So if donna says for sis to fuck a random she probably would do by that train of though.
If rayleigh(giving a bj to other dude) or donna(the girl that mc want/lust fucks another dude)become a LI then the game will have ntr, if a LI is show or explicitly described fucking another dude in past present or future is NTR.
If the game already have this kind of crap in 0.2 and its a extremely short game, more in the future probably will come so preferer to be out right now.
Just not my taste.
Can that scene be avoided? I prefer to completely ignore the sister after reading this, she doesn't interest me at all as LI. (although from the description of the game I suppose that we can't avoid the sister)
For now it doesn't seem that this game is going to be to my liking.
This here is the stuff of undevelopped adults insecure of themselves and devoid of emotion.
The anguish of not getting it on with anybody, coupled with seeing some rando dude get something,
that is IRL babes being bad to the people they know and boinking strangers.
At that point, if you ain”t getting any, then you see some other dude getting some,
that is deep down infuriating, seeing how easy some have it and thinking why you cannot get there.
This is well documented in games, the struggles of MC while someone else gets to feel good.
How would you feel if your game designated scope is boinking, like XXXING ANYONE WILLING,
but seeing some others getting it but you. That is infuriating.
Why would that be of any consequence?
It is hurtfull you need to get it on but are left seeing others getting it on, while you watch ...
This would make any gamer ask: Why do I play this game? To see some others fulfilling MY MISSION, not me ?!?
I'm not unsure of anything. Please, go back to my post and read again as many times as you need. I'm asking why the people are angry about the update, because the two things I'm reading the most are: The update is short and the MC had sex with his sister. Lord, please give me patience...
I'm not unsure of anything. Please, go back to my post and read again as many times as you need. I'm asking why the people are angry about the update, because the two things I'm reading the most are: The update is short and the MC had sex with his sister. Lord, please give me patience...
The party mentioned in description is a sex party, your virgin sis wants to go so she can fuck anyone but you. By chance you draw her name out of a hat (yes that is literally the setup), you can challenge to swap names (you have no choice in this MC will try his hardest to swap names and want to fuck one of the other girls), this fails as they want to keep you with her for the lols, you then have to watch everyone else fuck, and then sister goes fuck it I will just fuck you.
tldnr: Virgin Sis wants to fuck anyone but you, and only fucks you cause she is basically forced to if she wants to lose her virginity. And prior to her making that choice you have to watch the chicks MC actually wanted to fuck, fuck other dudes.
Feels rushed and forced in just to add content. And well... niche content at that. People mad cause it implies it is MC fucking people and not MC only getting fucked by the LI as a last resort after having to watch a chick he wanted to fuck have sex with another dude. When most would have rather not have had sex with her at all. (would have gone over better if you could just discard her as an LI, would have been best if that wasn't the setup though.. if it is trying to be what the description implies).
Soooo to modify your closing statement: "This update is short and forced, and MC had sex with his wannabe whore sister because she had no other choice."
if the sister being a slut is a problem for you or her not having a mind of her own. dont forget in the first release it was pretty clear she went to a Orgy for the sole purpose of banging a stranger so i dont think she needs Donna for that.
That's why I don't like her as LI. For me it really is a problem. I would only be interested in playing if I can avoid having a relationship with the MC's sister (and if I can avoid the sex scene as well).
Don't worry, this ain't a rant, just being thorough... my thoughts on the page if you will.
Take to heart and discard what you wish, if any of it is helpful in any way then the comment served its purpose.
That about wraps up the stuff I could think of. again these are just my thoughts, don't put to much weight on them, especially if I am not the intended audience.
But just to add what I believe is the most important point once more: Be more clear about what kind of game this is and what type of audience it is for, because the current description and tags will mislead people... As you can probably already tell by the plethora of comments with certain obvious emotions behind them. I myself... am just disappointed. to be more specific disappointed that I let myself get invested. But for the emotion behind this comment, not really any just trying to be helpful by providing my personal thoughts, shitty written feedback if you will
I'm not unsure of anything. Please, go back to my post and read again as many times as you need. I'm asking why the people are angry about the update, because the two things I'm reading the most are: The update is short and the MC had sex with his sister. Lord, please give me patience...
Because people feel fucking blindsided by the situation and dialogue during which the MC has sex with his sister. Also saying that people are angry because of "The update is short and the MC had sex with his sister." is an asshole move, because you know that that's not the case.
The party mentioned in description is a sex party, your virgin sis wants to go so she can fuck anyone but you. By chance you draw her name out of a hat (yes that is literally the setup), you can challenge to swap names (you have no choice in this MC will try his hardest to swap names and want to fuck one of the other girls), this fails as they want to keep you with her for the lols, you then have to watch everyone else fuck, and then sister goes fuck it I will just fuck you.
tldnr: Virgin Sis wants to fuck anyone but you, and only fucks you cause she is basically forced to if she wants to lose her virginity. And prior to her making that choice you have to watch the chicks MC actually wanted to fuck, fuck other dudes.
Feels rushed and forced in just to add content. And well... niche content at that. People mad cause it implies it is MC fucking people and not MC only getting fucked by the LI as a last resort after having to watch a chick he wanted to fuck have sex with another dude. When most would have rather not have had sex with her at all. (would have gone over better if you could just discard her as an LI, would have been best if that wasn't the setup though.. if it is trying to be what the description implies).
Soooo to correct your closing statement: "This update is short and forced, and MC had sex with his wannabe whore sister because she had no other choice."
Because people feel fucking blindsided by the situation and dialogue during which the MC has sex with his sister. Also saying that people are angry because of "The update is short and the MC had sex with his sister." is an asshole move, because you know that that's not the case.
Thank you guys for the reply. In my first post about the update, I made it clear that I haven't played the update yet but I asked why they were angry and it turned out that my question left me unsure as an adult.