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renoz59F

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Aug 17, 2018
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You've never developed anything in your life, have you? Writing isn't something you do in an afternoon and then posing takes a tremendous amount of time. Then you have to render everything and if you have a reasonably good machine, you render, say one render in five minutes. That's 12,5 hours to render 150 pictures. Then you have to code everything. You think it's done in two hours? And then on a pirate forum you read an opinion that your work is pathetic from some nobody who got your game for free.
I'm not the person you were replying to, but wanted to reply to you anyways. Let me start off by saying that I agree with the core message that you're trying to communicate, it takes a lot of time and effort to make a game. People that get something for free should not be undervaluing something that they are getting for free.

Where I disagree is that the way you worded your statement, it appears that you're assuming everything has to be done sequentially, and no two tasks can be completed at the same time. Let's say we're working smarter and not harder with this, and we're using the dead time while rendering to code out the storyline that we've written up. Now, assume that you don't want to have everything planned out 100% with the story prior to starting renders, perfect, you can use the time while you're coding now to also think of ways that the story will continue.

I like to assume the best intentions of people (honestly it's a fault sometimes), and a something that's sometimes hard to remember is people don't complain if they don't care. The person you were replying to, in my perspective, likes the game and cares about it and wants to see it be the best thing it can be. He sees the dev (currently) making $2,075/month through Patreon, but only putting out 150 pictures every month. Not only *just* 150 renders, but *only* 1400-1800 words, which if you're a slower than average reader (200 wpm) would be from 7 to 9 minutes of reading (discounting any desired delays in progressing to the next scenes).

Let's be generous and say it takes 15 minutes to play a monthly released update. What the person you're replying to is seeing is a person that's getting paid almost $150 per minute of released gameplay. Now, again, I agree, that's $150 of other people's money if you're playing the game for free, but I can see where the frustration can be originating.

On a side note, I'm curious if he doubled the content that was released each month if that would correlate to even a 50% increase in supporters on Patreon. If so, I think he should definitely look into doing that, even if it means outsourcing some of his workload or bringing on a partner. I know I'd be a lot more inclined to support a project if I felt there was better time management while producing what I'm supporting so a better product can be made. Or, hell, I'd even join in to do all the coding if it allowed for more content to be made, and I wouldn't even ask for a proportionate amount of the $ earned. Give me 10% (or $150 if the content length stayed the same) and there's a decent amount of work offloaded if that's a timesink for him.

/tangent
 
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yuwxia

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Mar 22, 2022
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sorry but where do i unlock the hidden images and how? I saw there are lots of image icon on the story map but what does it mean, do i find some hidden images on the scenes during the whole story?
 

ANTI_NWO

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Aug 24, 2022
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We understand the fact that it takes a lot of time and effort to make a game, but it's better to wait longer to have a long-lasting scenario, than to finish the upgrade in 10 clicks. Thanks anyway.
 

RogueKnightUK

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The assumption of the ignorant is that the number of images, or words, or scenes, is a good metric for anything. It isn't.

I have been writing for years, literal decades, and so I can churn out a thousand words on virtually any topic straight off the cuff, in perhaps less than 15 minutes, depending on just how much care I have for the quality of the writing Itself. Not the content of the writing, the depth of meaning, just the flow, sentence structure, grammar, etc.

But I might spend literally a whole hour composing just the right single sentence for a character in a VN to say, or even longer if it is a particularly important line or scene. So, sometimes 10 words can take far, far longer to write than 1,000 do. And that's with more than 40 years of fascination with psychology and characters. 50 years of fascination with literature and stories.

Which brings us to another thing. What one person spends an hour writing is not necessarily even comparable in depth, meaning, or quality, to what another might write in the same time. Skills and talents matter.

What is true of writing is every bit as true with posing, with image composition, with lighting. One person's render is not the same as another's, nor does time determine the quality of either. What is true of images is just as true with creating a plot, or coding, or designing a user interface.

There's a very famous quote attributed to Mark Twain that goes "I apologize for the length of this letter. I didn't have time to write a shorter one". To anyone skilled in writing this quote is a joy of truth. It takes a lot more time and effort to be concise, to write less words but better chosen to concisely carry all of the same meaning.
 

Nulldev

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Nov 28, 2017
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sorry but where do i unlock the hidden images and how? I saw there are lots of image icon on the story map but what does it mean, do i find some hidden images on the scenes during the whole story?
During gameplay, some screen has a little blurry CD disk, click on them.
 

Nulldev

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Nov 28, 2017
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sorry but where do i unlock the hidden images and how? I saw there are lots of image icon on the story map but what does it mean, do i find some hidden images on the scenes during the whole story?
Usually, near or during sex time, because the dev is evil, and knows you will watch the titties. :D
 

ImperialD

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Oct 24, 2019
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like what was said not a bad update ... not a great update either .. but some progress is better than none :unsure:
 

faramata

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I'm not the person you were replying to, but wanted to reply to you anyways. Let me start off by saying that I agree with the core message that you're trying to communicate, it takes a lot of time and effort to make a game. People that get something for free should not be undervaluing something that they are getting for free.

Where I disagree is that the way you worded your statement, it appears that you're assuming everything has to be done sequentially, and no two tasks can be completed at the same time. Let's say we're working smarter and not harder with this, and we're using the dead time while rendering to code out the storyline that we've written up. Now, assume that you don't want to have everything planned out 100% with the story prior to starting renders, perfect, you can use the time while you're coding now to also think of ways that the story will continue.

I like to assume the best intentions of people (honestly it's a fault sometimes), and a something that's sometimes hard to remember is people don't complain if they don't care. The person you were replying to, in my perspective, likes the game and cares about it and wants to see it be the best thing it can be. He sees the dev (currently) making $2,075/month through Patreon, but only putting out 150 pictures every month. Not only *just* 150 renders, but *only* 1400-1800 words, which if you're a slower than average reader (200 wpm) would be from 7 to 9 minutes of reading (discounting any desired delays in progressing to the next scenes).

Let's be generous and say it takes 15 minutes to play a monthly released update. What the person you're replying to is seeing is a person that's getting paid almost $150 per minute of released gameplay. Now, again, I agree, that's $150 of other people's money if you're playing the game for free, but I can see where the frustration can be originating.

On a side note, I'm curious if he doubled the content that was released each month if that would correlate to even a 50% increase in supporters on Patreon. If so, I think he should definitely look into doing that, even if it means outsourcing some of his workload or bringing on a partner. I know I'd be a lot more inclined to support a project if I felt there was better time management while producing what I'm supporting so a better product can be made. Or, hell, I'd even join in to do all the coding if it allowed for more content to be made, and I wouldn't even ask for a proportionate amount of the $ earned. Give me 10% (or $150 if the content length stayed the same) and there's a decent amount of work offloaded if that's a timesink for him.

/tangent
That's certainly a lot better than Radiant. There are some games that constantly put out content in small doses. Ravenous, Lost at Birth and this one.
 

likan14132

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Jan 1, 2019
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compressed version ?
here
https://f95zone.to/threads/guilty-pleasure-v0-26-quonix.69735/post-11152061
i dont know why now the main tread doesn't post the compress version

Guilty Pleasure [v0.26] [Quonix]

COMPRESSED:

Win/Linux:

- - - PIXELDRAIN

Mac:

- - -
PIXELDRAIN
 

Joshy92

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Mar 25, 2021
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So I played this the other day and here are my thoughts on it

It's okay but I don't like the mc

It feels more like a kinetic novel tbh some people don't care about that but to me it's a really big deal

Also, I was wondering before I played why there was no romance tag
Now I know why.
the mc doesn't have a romantic bone in his body.
He just stick it in there and then scene over.

So yeah, I don't think this game is for me
But I do wish the dev good luck with this game or any other he chooses to make :)
 

gam2000

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Apr 12, 2021
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So I played this the other day and here are my thoughts on it

It's okay but I don't like the mc

It feels more like a kinetic novel tbh some people don't care about that but to me it's a really big deal

Also, I was wondering before I played why there was no romance tag
Now I know why.
the mc doesn't have a romantic bone in his body.
He just stick it in there and then scene over.

So yeah, I don't think this game is for me
But I do wish the dev good luck with this game or any other he chooses to make :)
If you are trying to do a review, why not put it in the review area?
 
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