Others Happy Heart Panic [Build 20] [Doggie Bones]

[Theovonpapen]

HHP isn't a live service game, what?

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Most porn games that aren't completed by release usually qualifies for the term "live service", and it isn't necessarily a sin to do. But just as I respect EA's SW BFII less than Pandemic's 2005 Star Wars Battlefront II, games that rest on the laurels of feedback-assisted updates are less impressive than ones that have less updates and less impressive than completed-by-release games.

 

[Theovonpapen]

And again, I do think Doggie has done commendable work...but why with the CONSTANT reworking of the HUD and animations? Iirc the last three updates running, which have taken over a year and a half altogether, have had some number of completely unnecessary gameplay changes, and they've overwritten each other each time.

It's just utterly baffling that they're wasting so much time reworking things that don't need reworked...unless they're at rock bottom on creativity and really can't think of anything else to do with the game. That's not an insult either, but a suggestion to step back and just take a look at what they want the game to be. If spending half a year to constantly reinvent basic features is really what they want, this project may as well be dead.

I don't have an answer this this directly, but it does follow the trend on Youtube. It's best to see the history of its like-dislike system. First, it was a 5 star system, then it devolved into a green-red bar, then a blue-grey bar, then a darkgrey-whitegrey bar, and eventually the formal removal of the dislikes.

You will definitely notice a stark difference between 2007 youtube, 2011 youtube, 2015 youtube, 2019 youtube, and 2023 youtube. This a 4 year interval, yet each one, especially the HUD, feels like a different era. And the changes are not for the better. And I know for a fact that Youtube isn't the only one, but I chose this bc it's the most well-documented, courtesy of Emperorlemon (Also known as admiral ackbar who made the Never Ever series).

I cannot be definitive on the general trend of updating HUD. Maybe it's coding issues, maybe it's updating for modern audiences, maybe it's the preference of Doggiebones. Again, I cannot be definitive here.

 

[Dinglederper]

I don't have an answer this this directly, but it does follow the trend on Youtube. It's best to see the history of its like-dislike system. First, it was a 5 star system, then it devolved into a green-red bar, then a blue-grey bar, then a darkgrey-whitegrey bar, and eventually the formal removal of the dislikes.

You will definitely notice a stark difference between 2007 youtube, 2011 youtube, 2015 youtube, 2019 youtube, and 2023 youtube. This a 4 year interval, yet each one, especially the HUD, feels like a different era. And the changes are not for the better. And I know for a fact that Youtube isn't the only one, but I chose this bc it's the most well-documented, courtesy of Emperorlemon (Also known as admiral ackbar who made the Never Ever series).

I cannot be definitive on the general trend of updating HUD. Maybe it's coding issues, maybe it's updating for modern audiences, maybe it's the preference of Doggiebones. Again, I cannot be definitive here.

I think these cases may be a bit too dissimilar despite the shared trend: Youtube changes its user interface constantly due to a combination of it being one of the most popular websites in history and the WILDLY quickly changing beliefs of modern society. I agree that it has been a downward trend, but that's expected: as Youtube has grown (and been bought out) they have had to broaden their treatment of different demographics, which unfortunately includes catering to clickbait, ragebait, "anti-woke" bullshit, and countless other idiotic trends that, while pathetic and unlikable, are absolutely profitable.

If anything, that's the most pessimistic parallel to be drawn: that Doggie is just doing what's profitable, that being endlessly milking patrons for nothingburger updates. I don't think this is the case though, and I do trust them when they say RL issues have been in the way since the world has been such an increasingly bad shithole since 2020. Even so, this game is a moneymaker for them, and I think they would be making way more if they just took some advice such as using a standard sprite sheet, cutting back on the pointless UI updates, and taking time to plan.

I feel like they burn themselves out trying to reinvent the game every update when all they need is to step back, focus on one area at a time, get an idea of the sex themes each area represents, and design some scenarios, THEN work on the game.

 

[Theovonpapen]

as Youtube has grown (and been bought out) they have had to broaden their treatment of different demographics, which unfortunately includes catering to clickbait, ragebait, "anti-woke" bullshit, and countless other idiotic trends that, while pathetic and unlikable, are absolutely profitable.

That is very inconsistent to say the least. I recall an anti-"Holodomor denial" video being slapped with a Holocaust notice despite those two being widely separate things. Youtube has constantly flip flopped on the LGBT issues due to a very large audience of Hispanics, Africans, Arabs and Asians not so fond of them. Watchtime has largely destroyed clickbait, though it's still vulnerable to people who are either children, tiktok user or goldfishes. I honestly don't know what they actually want to cater specifically than being as family friendly as possible, which often seem out of touch. A ton of the so-called "anti-woke" bs was purged very hard by 2020, so you really have the moderate anti-woke channels left to pick up the void.

 

[Bulbanych]

 

[segghaj]

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[DMSTS]

If we were mewing every day we wait for update...

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[Decckar]

I recommend you reading these articles on what is live service, or games as a service.

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Most porn games that aren't completed by release usually qualifies for the term "live service", and it isn't necessarily a sin to do. But just as I respect EA's SW BFII less than Pandemic's 2005 Star Wars Battlefront II, games that rest on the laurels of feedback-assisted updates are less impressive than ones that have less updates and less impressive than completed-by-release games.

All 3 junk websites, likely all made and/or supported by AI whose only purpose is to clog up search engines with SEO to scrounge up adbucks from random schlubs clicking on them.

A live service game is a game like League of Legends, Apex Legends, or even Destiny 2. Always-online, matchmaking based games whose existence relies on continuous updates for additions and balance changes to keep the game 'fresh.' HHP isn't even *released* yet, not fully, and it definitely is not a live service game, as far as I'm aware literally no porn game is.

The ridiculous definition of "a game that is still getting updated" lands on basically EVERY videogame that still sees even a passing update. Stardew Valley would qualify, and anyone who says SDV is a live service game is a fucking lunatic. Hell, fucking LEFT 4 DEAD 2 is still TECHNICALLY getting updates.

 

[Libermann9]

Still hoping for an enemy with body swap ability

 

[Theovonpapen]

A live service game is a game like League of Legends, Apex Legends, or even Destiny 2. Always-online, matchmaking based games whose existence relies on continuous updates for additions and balance changes to keep the game 'fresh.'

I wasn't aware that the prerequisite of a game as a service must need matchmaking. Or balance updates, but fine, let's entertain this motion.
As far as I'm aware, HHP has indeed introduced some balance changes, even by accident. Remember how the stamina system was tweaked around build 19 in a way that made Whispy completely useless? That counts as an unintended balance change, since it changed the balance of the game.

Also, I don't know where you got your definition of games as a service since this isn't exclusive to multiplayer games, let alone MMO. Suicide Squad Kills the Justice League is confirmed to be live service, and it's practically a single player game (as of now). Multiplayer addition, being online and balance changes are just a symptom to having a game as a service (aka NOT the required standard for game as a service), since the main goal of games as a service is built on the promise of continuously releasing new content, usually sold at gradual prices (like subscriptions). Whether that content is purely cosmetic, in-game items such as weapons, or even brand new story content, the bottom line is the same. It’s all about raking in money and holding the player’s retention for as long as possible.

HHP isn't even *released* yet, not fully, and it definitely is not a live service game, as far as I'm aware literally no porn game is.

I'm not sure if this a conflict of experience, as I've grew up with flash games and complete-by-release games, and I can definitely say that most qualify as completed, released games, no matter how niche it is. Even with porn games, there are plenty of flash games that are very much released games. The Pussymon series, the Zone games and WITCH GIRL, not to mention the recent F95 influxes of pre-2000 pixel porn games shows that there are porn games that aren't live service.

I genuinely think you're so accustomed to updates so much that you shifted the goalpost on what games as a service actually means. I was actually one of the few people back in 2013 that was very much against this system because they weren't trying to make a complete game, rather they were selling a demo where they promised to update it to a completed game. And they make the fans pay for the development itself.

 

[Theovonpapen]

All 3 junk websites, likely all made and/or supported by AI whose only purpose is to clog up search engines with SEO to scrounge up adbucks from random schlubs clicking on them.

I'm curious what AI they were using, since the release date of the article was WAY before chatgpt was even released, let alone popularized. It's a bold accussation to say that

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and Ryan Jones, from makeusof and trustedreview respectively, have made their 'career' on the internet by AI BEFORE chatgpt even existed. So, did Ryan Jones, graduate of Cardiff University, cheated his way to deputy editor by using AI? In June 2021 from the date of the article I linked?

The ridiculous definition of "a game that is still getting updated" lands on basically EVERY videogame that still sees even a passing update.

Perhaps I haven't clarified my statement then (or the articles in particular). The core feature of a live service game is that they are supported either through subscription models, season passes and microtransactions. And from these continuous payments, they are offered services throughout this period. Note: Services, not a tangible commodity.

Yes, calling SDV a live service game is ridiculous, because it does not meet any standards of a live service. However, the Star Dew Valley Plus from Apple Arcade does count, since you're required to pay a continuous amount for its service, that being cloud storage saves and some additional content.

 

[alexanderXD]

I'm curious what AI they were using, since the release date of the article was WAY before chatgpt was even released, let alone popularized. It's a bold accussation to say that

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and Ryan Jones, from makeusof and trustedreview respectively, have made their 'career' on the internet by AI BEFORE chatgpt even existed. So, did Ryan Jones, graduate of Cardiff University, cheated his way to deputy editor by using AI? In June 2021 from the date of the article I linked?


Perhaps I haven't clarified my statement then (or the articles in particular). The core feature of a live service game is that they are supported either through subscription models, season passes and microtransactions. And from these continuous payments, they are offered services throughout this period. Note: Services, not a tangible commodity.

Yes, calling SDV a live service game is ridiculous, because it does not meet any standards of a live service. However, the Star Dew Valley Plus from Apple Arcade does count, since you're required to pay a continuous amount for its service, that being cloud storage saves and some additional content.

okay im gonna settle this. the answer is NO happy heart panic is not a "live service game" it has been and never will be because it hasn't fulfilled that acutal requirements to become one. also at this point im tired of game devoplers making a game and just not finishing it. at this point going back to an rpg would be easier then to do, well this!

 

[alexanderXD]

I'm curious what AI they were using, since the release date of the article was WAY before chatgpt was even released, let alone popularized. It's a bold accussation to say that

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and Ryan Jones, from makeusof and trustedreview respectively, have made their 'career' on the internet by AI BEFORE chatgpt even existed. So, did Ryan Jones, graduate of Cardiff University, cheated his way to deputy editor by using AI? In June 2021 from the date of the article I linked?


Perhaps I haven't clarified my statement then (or the articles in particular). The core feature of a live service game is that they are supported either through subscription models, season passes and microtransactions. And from these continuous payments, they are offered services throughout this period. Note: Services, not a tangible commodity.

Yes, calling SDV a live service game is ridiculous, because it does not meet any standards of a live service. However, the Star Dew Valley Plus from Apple Arcade does count, since you're required to pay a continuous amount for its service, that being cloud storage saves and some additional content.

also don't try using ai generated articals they will only throw around nonexistent advice

 

[Bulbanych]

Do we seriously need to discuss and try to systemize if Happy Heart Panic qualifies as a live-service game down to trying to find very specific criteria of what a live-service game is?
I get that there's nothing to talk about regarding this game, but do we really need to discuss something like this? It's not like categorizing this game as a live-service one will change it's quality or problems that this game has or had.

 

[CrusaderDurante]

Yeah, I like what I'm seeing regarding the changes to gameplay, but not only is this not the first time when character gameplay was overhauled (I want to say that this is a second time, but I might be wrong), but at this point the game is updated once a year, two if we're lucky, and it seems like the next update is gonna feature a whopping one new enemy and this is too bad for a porn game.
I know that the progress report says that there two more enemies that will be added "soon", but I don't believe that this will happen "soon", because there is no "soon" with this game's update history

We're operating on Silksong time, lads.

 

[Theovonpapen]

Do we seriously need to discuss and try to systemize if Happy Heart Panic qualifies as a live-service game down to trying to find very specific criteria of what a live-service game is?
I get that there's nothing to talk about regarding this game, but do we really need to discuss something like this? It's not like categorizing this game as a live-service one will change it's quality or problems that this game has or had.

It all began with a scuffle with Decckar, which then ballooned this whole page. I definitely think a clash of experience and definitions have contributed to page 188 being enlarged.

To be honest, I'm not too annoyed at the conception of game as a service, if only because it has become so widespread, that finding a game that isn't built on as a service, is incredibly rare. Which is why I very much praise Pocket Dungeon so much, since he doesn't attempt to charge you for updates for the game.

 

[Dinglederper]

It all began with a scuffle with Decckar, which then ballooned this whole page. I definitely think a clash of experience and definitions have contributed to page 188 being enlarged.

To be honest, I'm not too annoyed at the conception of game as a service, if only because it has become so widespread, that finding a game that isn't built on as a service, is incredibly rare. Which is why I very much praise Pocket Dungeon so much, since he doesn't attempt to charge you for updates for the game.

Just wait until some clown puts an MTX shop with payments directing straight to their bank account into one of these patreon cash cow projects. Everyone and their fucking dog will start copying it and throwing out the tired "b-b-but, everyone else is doing it!" excuse

 

[Axis3123]

It all began with a scuffle with Decckar, which then ballooned this whole page. I definitely think a clash of experience and definitions have contributed to page 188 being enlarged.

To be honest, I'm not too annoyed at the conception of game as a service, if only because it has become so widespread, that finding a game that isn't built on as a service, is incredibly rare. Which is why I very much praise Pocket Dungeon so much, since he doesn't attempt to charge you for updates for the game.

Isn't Pocket Dungeon like, completed? I'm pretty sure the dev moved on from the project, even though the last version is 0.3.1, meaning that it was left technically unfinished based on the content planned.

 

[Theovonpapen]

Isn't Pocket Dungeon like, completed? I'm pretty sure the dev moved on from the project, even though the last version is 0.3.1, meaning that it was left technically unfinished based on the content planned.

If you check over his

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, you'll see he's working on another PMD,

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. I'm pretty sure Pocket Dungeon, as the version it stands on F95, is the completed one as he only came back to fix bugs, not add new content. Still can't believe he finished the whole game in less than 7 months.

Think about it, a game is considered complete in 7 months of major updates from April to November, and only received a new update in January 2023 just for bugfixes.

 

[AhiYumi]

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