watching paint dry might be sexier than this game.Two events.
- Morning - Open Cafe
- Evening - Close Cafe
Is there any reason at all to believe that Caizer reads or is even aware of 255+ pages of discussion about their game? I mean, I am not expecting the dev to do a Reddit-style AMA [Caizer has indicated that they don't really tolerate dissent in their Patreon or..anywhere, really], but if they aren't reading this, why don't we just drop a 'Talos-4' type warning buoy at the top of this game and warn people away from it until the dev actually creates some substantial content?
Can't play this game. My impression back say 15 updates ago was the gameplay is such a snore. About as erotic as watching flies f**k. Images are great, I must say. Animations aren't bad, either. So it IS an enjoyable unren.
BVonkX
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Then you didn't look carefully, there are comments with the messages, he has a Discord and there was a poll on his patreon.
Things have also changed in the game, such as more saves, gallery, system with which you can see that you haven't seen something and free mode. It's certainly not perfect, but it's all things people wanted.
He has indicated that he will not be able to work on the update for two months, which can also be read several times here and on his pattern. So this is a "usual" (love or hate) 1 month update as we all know it by now.
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Only one I know of is "Survival Guide" looks pretty good...still in early updates.
BVonkX
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Know the game and it is very similar but not sure if it is based on the same model.
Definitely recommend to try that game with also father daughter story.
No matter what, whether it's the banks or other pressures, I've no doubt that Russia, not just Ukraine, especially for the civilian population, is quite tense and in a state of turmoil, being at war with a bordering nation. Citizens can't control the fallout they feel from the actions of their heartless political leaders. I've been very critical of this dev before, but I think this is a true case where you have to cut a break. He's living in an environment I know I wouldn't want to be in and I certainly don't envy him.
Um. those are NOT the same models. It is the same type of models, which is a completely different thing.
That said, i am willing to bet that, even in the initial stages, there is a bunch of fucking going on in that game.
Has the dev EVER stated where they are from, or are we just inventing reasons for their lack of action now?
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I saw that being mentioned somewhere in Discord discussions - before I was banned in his channel for daring to questions that should not be asked
Yes. I patronized this joker early into MLS and he stated in several posts that he lived in Russia.
Is the management tag supposed to be for anger management?
I really cannot see other management aspects.
I really cannot see other management aspects.
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I realize the conflict going on is going to cause delays (if the Dev is Russian) or even if he was from Ukraine - however, the lack of content in the updates for this game has been something going on long before recent events. IMHO the Dev creates great artwork and the game itself looks great for the type of game it is, colors, contrasts, general decor.
However what the Dev lacks is any real motivation, if for example you made a game in which you did the same thing and regardless of adding anything major to actual gameplay content but were pulling even a min of $1000 / month (assuming everyone was $2 / mo) what motivation would you have to speed up finishing the game? I mean, finishing could result in Patreons leaving because no development is being made anymore. There are some who would be highly motivated to add tons of content sure, but look at RL scenarios with people who are too lazy to work and would rather live off any free ride they can get, it is no different here. Lets face it, there are a lot of lazy individuals out there.
Sure, Patreon can take upwards of 12% but even so, a good chunk of change is made for doing almost nothing. Until die hard fans get tired of it and funnel funds else ware - then all the updates you will see will be identical regardless of any conflict between countries.
Sorry if I am out of line, I am pointing out my observations of watching this game from long ago, it happens to be one of the few games that even peaked my interest in joining this site and seems like some are just oblivious to the fact.
However what the Dev lacks is any real motivation, if for example you made a game in which you did the same thing and regardless of adding anything major to actual gameplay content but were pulling even a min of $1000 / month (assuming everyone was $2 / mo) what motivation would you have to speed up finishing the game? I mean, finishing could result in Patreons leaving because no development is being made anymore. There are some who would be highly motivated to add tons of content sure, but look at RL scenarios with people who are too lazy to work and would rather live off any free ride they can get, it is no different here. Lets face it, there are a lot of lazy individuals out there.
Sure, Patreon can take upwards of 12% but even so, a good chunk of change is made for doing almost nothing. Until die hard fans get tired of it and funnel funds else ware - then all the updates you will see will be identical regardless of any conflict between countries.
Sorry if I am out of line, I am pointing out my observations of watching this game from long ago, it happens to be one of the few games that even peaked my interest in joining this site and seems like some are just oblivious to the fact.
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How many hours a day do you have that you can do whatever the f you want? Do you have work? School? Wife? Kids? Family you need to support? How much income do you need a month to break even with bills and preferly be left with a little pocket change as well?
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I do work 12 hour shifts 5 days a week (tonight is one of my 2 nights off / graveyard shift), have 2 children, mortgage, 2 car payments, and still get a lot more done than you might realize including - visiting sites like this and sharing files (not just here, other well known pirate sites) - I think you missed my point entirely. I do all of those things (except I graduated school, years ago) however, I do not earn an extra $1000 + a month for a game I barely make an attempt to add content to. (nor do I gain extra income from other sources) I work, like many other families do - and make bare minimum - not like I am some doctor living it up. So, thanks for the input
You are not out of line, however, I think you might be misunderstanding, as I had until recently, the overall commitment the dev has to patrons on patreon as opposed to say customers for a product on Steam (for example). He can't be held "accountable" to a schedule or delivery time, quality of work, content size etc. to those who are simply "contributing" to the creative work he's doing by anyone but those providing that support. You are supporting his craft, not purchasing his product, or gaining his commitment to anything including a delivery schedule.
I too, have considered it your way, but realize that that's the reality of it. Unfortunately, it is a reality that is kind of "souring" the platform for me, a mere consumer, with what seems to be a "yesteryear" perspective on story telling. Biggest reason I starting enjoying these games in the first place, a new millennium approach to one of my favorite passtimes, following a good story.
The patreon effect has seemed to foster a culture of "not finishing anything". What a lot of people complaining about "milking" or intentionally delaying a release until the patreon month rollover, etc., ultimately delaying the ending to a story that should have ended twenty updates ago, just to keep the patreon ball rolling, until they end up getting bored or "burned out" or whatever BS reason they use and dump the project altogether, leaving you hang without an ending. It is clear that some do that, and it sets a bad light for the many who do not. But again, for patrons, there is no 'recourse' available to them because like it or not the developer hasn't done anything wrong. If the patron doesn't like and or approve of a developer's progress it is their prerogative to withdraw further support and move on.
I said that it is "souring" the whole platform for me because though the "unfinished story" aspect doesn't seem to bother a lot of folks, it's bothersome for me. I mean, how many best sellers have you read after tearing out the last three pages and throwing them away before starting the book? How happy would you be to buy an author's work and find out they didn't write the last half of the last chapter? JMPOV.
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RLStein
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Now, that is a much more insightful reply - thank you and I will think about that and take that into consideration - although, I still find it hard to grasp. Thanks!
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So how much time left do you have to make a game? It's not about how much you make extra, but the total right? What is the break even point for your family you need a month to cover all your needs? I'm quite sure majority of all these creators have the same needs you and your family have they need to cover before they can work on your spank bank. And no matter how much additional income they get from their game they can't buy more hours a day.I do work 12 hour shifts 5 days a week (tonight is one of my 2 nights off / graveyard shift), have 2 children, mortgage, 2 car payments, and still get a lot more done than you might realize including - visiting sites like this and sharing files (not just here, other well known pirate sites) - I think you missed my point entirely. I do all of those things (except I graduated school, years ago) however, I do not earn an extra $1000 + a month for a game I barely make an attempt to add content to. (nor do I gain extra income from other sources) I work, like many other families do - and make bare minimum - not like I am some doctor living it up. So, thanks for the input
I'm not saying you should make a game though. More like, how much time would you have left to make one, build a house, write a book, whatever activities you normaly wouldn't do. day to day.
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