VN Ren'Py Hard to Love [v0.25] [Qori Gaming]

[LoGyMW]

The remake is only a partial remake of Season 1 as of this moment in time.

I see. So older version is not available anymore i take it?

 

[SonsOfLiberty]

I see. So older version is not available anymore i take it?

It is, do you not see it in the spoiler tab??

 

[LoGyMW]

It is, do you not see it in the spoiler tab??

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ah thanx, must have missed it

 

[LoGyMW]

I have now finished both the old season 1 and 2 and also the remake and got to say, this is a pretty cool game, stunning visuals and a very interesting story. Only thing, for remake animations for sex scenes have been removed and that part now feels like a downgrade but hopefully the dev can get that sorted. Looking forward to more updates of this game for sure

 

[Alter_98]

The story's so convoluted now.. and correct if me i'm wrong but is the remake using AI renders? Because if it is then it would explain why it doesn't have animations.
I've played a game that transitioned to AI near the end. It was a mess and the last scenes never got animations because of it.

 

[adarckorner]

The link to the i-patch for the original version of Season 2 is no longer valid. Can anyone help out?

 

[gestved]

Before, I used to either avoid those new interactions entirely or simplify them to avoid extra rendering work. But this time? I'm doing the opposite! You can actually see these changes if you check the pinned post - there are updates both in the Excel sheet and in the notes below it.

I kinda felt that was the case all the way back when Isabella fights with Nanami, felt there was renders missing but the writer got excited and made the fight bigger and bigger, there were mostly renders of Isabella pissed and nothing much of Nanami at all that interaction if I remember correctly. Also MC would go into all those self flagellating internal monologues that felt took too long and moved the story nowhere

may be remembering incorrectly as it's been a long time.

 

[Pun1sh3r13]

I kinda felt that was the case all the way back when Isabella fights with Nanami, felt there was renders missing but the writer got excited and made the fight bigger and bigger, there were mostly renders of Isabella pissed and nothing much of Nanami at all that interaction if I remember correctly. Also MC would go into all those self flagellating internal monologues that felt took too long and moved the story nowhere

may be remembering incorrectly as it's been a long time.

it's like you say, when I played that part I also thought that things were missing I felt like that discussion was much bigger than what I saw, and at first I thought it was because of the decisions I had made but when I played again I realized that the story was missing.

 

[Clarence2992]

The link to the i-patch for the original version of Season 2 is no longer valid. Can anyone help out?

 

[yowai1234]

some body help me


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While loading <renpy.display.im.Image object ('gui/sstar_on.png') at 0x0000000017596160>:
File "renpy/common/00start.rpy", line 279, in script
python:
File "renpy/common/00start.rpy", line 279, in script
python:
File "renpy/common/00start.rpy", line 283, in <module>
renpy.call_in_new_context("_main_menu")
OSError: Couldn't find file 'gui/mmtext_glow.png'.

-- Full Traceback ------------------------------------------------------------

Full traceback:
File "D:\Game\HardtoLove-0.22-pc\renpy\bootstrap.py", line 359, in bootstrap
renpy.main.main()
File "D:\Game\HardtoLove-0.22-pc\renpy\main.py", line 635, in main
run(restart)
File "D:\Game\HardtoLove-0.22-pc\renpy\main.py", line 145, in run
renpy.execution.run_context(True)
File "D:\Game\HardtoLove-0.22-pc\renpy\execution.py", line 955, in run_context
context.run()
File "renpy/common/00start.rpy", line 279, in script
python:
File "lib/python3.9/future/utils/__init__.py", line 444, in raise_
File "renpy/common/00start.rpy", line 279, in script
python:
File "D:\Game\HardtoLove-0.22-pc\renpy\ast.py", line 823, in execute
renpy.python.py_exec_bytecode(self.code.bytecode, self.hide, store=self.store)
File "D:\Game\HardtoLove-0.22-pc\renpy\python.py", line 1178, in py_exec_bytecode
exec(bytecode, globals, locals)
File "renpy/common/00start.rpy", line 283, in <module>
renpy.call_in_new_context("_main_menu")
File "D:\Game\HardtoLove-0.22-pc\renpy\game.py", line 358, in call_in_new_context
return renpy.execution.run_context(False)
File "D:\Game\HardtoLove-0.22-pc\renpy\execution.py", line 955, in run_context
context.run()
File "renpy/common/_layout/screen_main_menu.rpym", line 28, in script
python hide:
File "lib/python3.9/future/utils/__init__.py", line 444, in raise_
File "renpy/common/_layout/screen_main_menu.rpym", line 28, in script
python hide:
File "D:\Game\HardtoLove-0.22-pc\renpy\ast.py", line 823, in execute
renpy.python.py_exec_bytecode(self.code.bytecode, self.hide, store=self.store)
File "D:\Game\HardtoLove-0.22-pc\renpy\python.py", line 1178, in py_exec_bytecode
exec(bytecode, globals, locals)
File "renpy/common/_layout/screen_main_menu.rpym", line 28, in <module>
python hide:
File "renpy/common/_layout/screen_main_menu.rpym", line 35, in _execute_python_hide
ui.interact()
File "D:\Game\HardtoLove-0.22-pc\renpy\ui.py", line 301, in interact
rv = renpy.game.interface.interact(roll_forward=roll_forward, **kwargs)
File "D:\Game\HardtoLove-0.22-pc\renpy\display\core.py", line 2165, in interact
repeat, rv = self.interact_core(preloads=preloads, trans_pause=trans_pause, pause=pause, pause_start=pause_start, pause_modal=pause_modal, **kwargs) # type: ignore
File "D:\Game\HardtoLove-0.22-pc\renpy\display\core.py", line 2818, in interact_core
self.draw_screen(root_widget, fullscreen_video, (not fullscreen_video) or video_frame_drawn)
File "D:\Game\HardtoLove-0.22-pc\renpy\display\core.py", line 1352, in draw_screen
surftree = renpy.display.render.render_screen(
File "render.pyx", line 486, in renpy.display.render.render_screen
File "render.pyx", line 260, in renpy.display.render.render
File "D:\Game\HardtoLove-0.22-pc\renpy\display\layout.py", line 900, in render
surf = render(child, width, height, cst, cat)
File "render.pyx", line 170, in renpy.display.render.render
File "render.pyx", line 260, in renpy.display.render.render
File "D:\Game\HardtoLove-0.22-pc\renpy\display\layout.py", line 900, in render
surf = render(child, width, height, cst, cat)
File "render.pyx", line 170, in renpy.display.render.render
File "render.pyx", line 260, in renpy.display.render.render
File "D:\Game\HardtoLove-0.22-pc\renpy\display\layout.py", line 900, in render
surf = render(child, width, height, cst, cat)
File "render.pyx", line 170, in renpy.display.render.render
File "render.pyx", line 260, in renpy.display.render.render
File "D:\Game\HardtoLove-0.22-pc\renpy\display\screen.py", line 754, in render
child = renpy.display.render.render(self.child, w, h, st, at)
File "render.pyx", line 170, in renpy.display.render.render
File "render.pyx", line 260, in renpy.display.render.render
File "D:\Game\HardtoLove-0.22-pc\renpy\display\layout.py", line 900, in render
surf = render(child, width, height, cst, cat)
File "render.pyx", line 170, in renpy.display.render.render
File "render.pyx", line 260, in renpy.display.render.render
File "D:\Game\HardtoLove-0.22-pc\renpy\display\transform.py", line 957, in render
return RenderTransform(self).render(width, height, st, at)
File "accelerator.pyx", line 978, in renpy.display.accelerator.RenderTransform.render
File "accelerator.pyx", line 413, in renpy.display.accelerator.RenderTransform.render_child
File "render.pyx", line 260, in renpy.display.render.render
File "D:\Game\HardtoLove-0.22-pc\renpy\display\transform.py", line 957, in render
return RenderTransform(self).render(width, height, st, at)
File "accelerator.pyx", line 978, in renpy.display.accelerator.RenderTransform.render
File "accelerator.pyx", line 413, in renpy.display.accelerator.RenderTransform.render_child
File "render.pyx", line 260, in renpy.display.render.render
File "D:\Game\HardtoLove-0.22-pc\renpy\display\im.py", line 626, in render
return cache.get(self, render=True)
File "D:\Game\HardtoLove-0.22-pc\renpy\display\im.py", line 309, in get
surf = image.load()
File "D:\Game\HardtoLove-0.22-pc\renpy\display\im.py", line 761, in load
raise e
File "D:\Game\HardtoLove-0.22-pc\renpy\display\im.py", line 711, in load
filelike = renpy.loader.load(self.filename, directory="images")
File "D:\Game\HardtoLove-0.22-pc\renpy\loader.py", line 672, in load
raise IOError("Couldn't find file '%s'." % name)
OSError: Couldn't find file 'gui/mmtext_glow.png'.

 

[Monetka_]

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Hi everyone...

I... I need to be honest with you all. I'm really unhappy with how this update turned out. Not because of the story - that's actually progressing well and is better structured than before. It's the visual aspect that's killing me.

When I finally animated the frames I'd made, everything looked inconsistent because of the AI texture improvements. When I realized this... I was furious. So many hours just... wasted. I had to choose between scrapping all the animated work or salvaging what I could by keeping only select frames. I went with the latter. That's why if you check the changelog, you'll notice the animations are gone.

Between the PC issues and everything else, this project has really consumed me. And financially... it hasn't been going well. I've had to look for another job because I'm drowning in debt...

You know what's ironic? The AI stuff that I was so excited about at first... watching it animated just made me so angry. The only positive things I got from this experiment were learning new Lightroom and Photoshop techniques, plus AI training and prompting. But I definitely overcomplicated everything.

While figuring out what to do next, I discovered I could improve things using Normal Maps, Render SubD level, and other techniques I stupidly wasn't using before! This update did teach me more about coding (thanks to Cursor too!), and I learned a lot of technical stuff that you can see in the changelog.

This episode closes Arc 1! I have 5 arcs planned (4 episodes each). And no, I won't do what I did before with seasons and new clients - it'll stay the same client, same system. Maybe I'll group everything under one button in the next update... or maybe I'll wait until I figure something better out.

Now I need your help with something important! I have two options:

• Continue with AI + 3D blending
• Go back to pure 3D, but with improved textures (using upscaling, normal maps, bumps, higher render SubD)
  

I want to learn animation for two reasons... I love learning new things, and I've noticed it attracts more people. Beyond being a passion project, this needs to support me financially. Right now, I'm stressed with two jobs, tired of life, but... I keep going because I don't want my dog (the one from the logo - it's basically a copy-paste of his face) and my two cats to go hungry...

I've also removed two tiers - there weren't many people in them, and I couldn't deliver what I promised. I'm considering opening Boosty for Russian users since PayPal might still be blocked there... or maybe creating a PayPal.me for anyone who wants to contribute whatever they can without joining a tier. Just thoughts running through my head.

All I ask is this: please play the game and tell me what to do. Should I continue with AI and forget about animation, or go back to pure 3D and try animation? Both have pros and cons, but I need you to play the latest update to see if it's worth it or not.

Thank you all for your incredible patience with this project. Take care and Merry Christmas, I love you all.

~YUKANA

 

[Zarathos27]

Appreciate the transparency. The dev is doing a great job. Can tell the effort put forth and anyone who's dabbled in this stuff barely stick with it, let alone learn multiple tools.

With that said, it's better to keep chugging along and just drop animations altogether. Get rid of the screen shakes also. Plenty of games get away with zero animations and honestly very few can even do them well. Just a few additional images during sex scenes can go A LONG WAY.

 

[Pun1sh3r13]

I'm of the opinion that the damn AI should be removed and go back to 3D with the animations. The good thing about this is that it's been realized that the AI just ruined everything good the game had going for it. Still, and with all the crazy girls, I liked the story.

 

[AlterdStates7]

As someone who didn't really mind/got used to the AI stuff, I'd prefer returning to 3D w/animations. Considering how good they were originally it'd be interesting to see what can be done with what they've learned since. As long as it doesn't involve another remake.

 

[Dxv99]

yeah the renders were better before the AI thing. imo

 

[Just Jericho]

The AI was a mistake from the beginning, so it should definitely go back to the 3D renders. I think the question is whether the dev is going to fall back into "reworking" all of the scenes that were ruined by AI or whether she's going to keep progress moving forward. I think she should just put the AI chapters out of her mind and focus on future chapters only because the reworks are just as bad as AI, imo.

On the subject of Animations, to be brutaly honest, those kind of needed work before all of this AI business to begin with. the reverse loop and unnatural breast movement in the Amber scene (pre-AI) comes to mind. Loop reverse never looks good. Bodies don't move like that.

There are of things that other devs are doing these days with flesh physics, clothing and hair behavior, and custom animating that makes really cool, near-realistic scenes but the AI stuff basically distracted the dev from learning and progressing toward any of those techniques. AI doesn't play nice with animating unless you're trying to get some kind of surrealist product which is not what I think the dev wants with this VN. Something will always seem off, and I think the dev started to realize that.

So yeah, get rid of the AI. Let it die in a fire. Keep learning how to improve high-quality still renders and animations. Talk to other devs, build resources and keep learning. Don't get tempted to rework shit but apply new techniques to current and future content. That's the best path forward, imo.

 

[dolfe67]

I think the question is whether the dev is going to fall back into "reworking" all of the scenes that were ruined by AI or whether she's going to keep progress moving forward.

If she still has the pre-AI filtered renders, it wouldn't be much work to update the game

 

[Just Jericho]

If she still has the pre-AI filtered renders, it wouldn't be much work to update the game

If that's the case, then that would be awesome... assuming her workflow didn't change at all apart from slapping an AI filter on the renders.

 

[MrTrue]

I do agree with everyone saying the AI filter has to go.

The one thing this game always had above the rest was phenomenal renders but even that got taken from us. As for animations a lot of big games manage without them if they require too much work or just don't add enough value.

Now the important question is this game actually still worth pursuing? With all the remakes and time spent I can't imagine this game has been lucrative at all and it already has a pretty tarnished reputation that will take ages to fix with everything from the original writing to the renders of the remake we got now.
At this point it might have just been better to abandon this game and start completely fresh on a new title and just use whatever she learned from this endeavour going forward.

But I do gotta give her credit for sticking with it as long as she has done with what looks like a very stacked deck against her.
Most devs on the site would have dropped their game ages ago.

 

[Badjourasmix]

I do agree with everyone saying the AI filter has to go.

The one thing this game always had above the rest was phenomenal renders but even that got taken from us. As for animations alot of big games manage without them if they require too much work or just don't add enough value.

Now the important question is this game actually still worth pursuing? With all the remakes and time spent I can't imagine this game has been lucrative at all and it already has a pretty tarnished reputation that will take ages to fix with everything from the original writing to the renders of the remake we got now.
At this point it might have just been better to abandon this game and start completely fresh on a new title and just use whatever she learned from this endeavour going forward.

But I do gotta give her credit for sticking with it as long as she has done with what looks like a very stacked deck against her.
Most devs on the site would have dropped their game ages ago.

I feel like it is definitely still worth pursuing. I know that a lot of people here are not fans of the A.I filter but even with it I would say this game still looks better than 50 to 60% of the games on this forum. All the women in the game are very hot. I would play it for Isabella or Amber alone. And the remake actually improved the story a lot. In my opinion it's a lot more enjoyable and easy to follow. I think what she needs to do now is not over complicate things and try to have a consistent release schedule.