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I actually woke up with a thought this morning that Cornwall could take Lin away if the MC displeased him somehow. You'd rescue Lin or whatever after a few days, she'd run into the MC's arms, kiss, and he would realize how wrong he was with the slave trade and keeping elves as pure slaves because of seeing the connection Lin has with the MC, and eventually some way down the line, they'd be freed and the MC & Lin could marry.

I mean I doubt know since it's close to what happened already with a certain girl in the hotel so I don't know if that sort of thing would be repeated. But it was a thought I had this morning on how Lin and the MC could finally be together without barriers. I'm sure it would involve Cornwall either way
 

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He's welcome to try. Don't think he's gonna like what happens if he does, though.
I've been dreading something like that in this game for a couple of days because he did say earlier in the game about taking Elves away from masters and I guess going through my 2nd playthrough (just for Lin screenshots) made me realize he can take her away for basically any reason, even if it's manufactured. I mean, she is trying to change things, and he's helping and along with her.

Bad enough what happened to Maria but it better not happen to Lin in some way
 
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If Cornwall tries anything, we'll turn him into corn flakes and feed him to the elves for breakfast.
I wanted to jump through the screen several times and punch that bastard out, especially during his "313 Speech"...

Bastardo, Baka (ばか), Scheißkerl, сволочь, Bastard (cursing in all the languages I know)
 
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The eight girls refers to the main girls - Lin, Kali, Ashley, Maria, Android, Felicity, Emma, and Autumn.

You also forgot Hanna as a secondary, so fourteen in total. Secondary girls aren't counted since they're somewhat optional.
yeah .. that would be a NO ........ i was referring to the girls living at the Hotel .... Hanna does not live there !!!! .......
 
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How do I unlock event 26 for Felicity and Emma? Lainsmod is telling me to go to Syl'anar but I don't know how lol. I'm already at Ashley 39 so that shouldn't be an issue either.
 

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yeah .. that would be a NO ........ i was referring to the girls living at the Hotel .... Hanna does not live there !!!! .......
Yeah, that could also be a bit outdated...
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Miss Puss
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How do I unlock event 26 for Felicity and Emma? Lainsmod is telling me to go to Syl'anar but I don't know how lol. I'm already at Ashley 39 so that shouldn't be an issue either.
Do Lin's story.
 
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I've been dreading something like that in this game for a couple of days because he did say earlier in the game about taking Elves away from masters and I guess going through my 2nd playthrough (just for Lin screenshots) made me realize he can take her away for basically any reason, even if it's manufactured. I mean, she is trying to change things, and he's helping and along with her.

Bad enough what happened to Maria but it better not happen to Lin in some way
He has shown already he has the power to on the whim remove slaves from masters because he deems them unfit to have them. Why the MC emotional or not jumped through so many hoops to threaten him over events Cornwall was not directly responsible for is beyond me but hes got it coming if he wants to poke a hornets nest esp as he wants to really create change for elves and half elves. Cornwall has already shown himself a willing ally and to lend his ear to the MCs ideas which make it even more face palm worthy but alas maybe Runey is setting him up to be the prime antagonist despite these older scenes. He wont react well to his entire empire being at threat by a robot replacement for them as the story seems to be leaning.

Still whats his plan with the elf queen, hes offering her hand in marriage during his PR junket. Id like to assume Runey wont just marry her off to some random so its gotta be someone we know if its not Cornwell himself? i suppose the MC makes the most sense as hes little connection with her but he could try and use her as bargaining tool to simmer his push against elves perhaps? or use it to create conflict within the Harem as ive no idea how Lin would take that idea even if having her onside would greatly help her cause (unless she would turn on them and was a mole so that would be say the Sanctuary exposed and Nia in great trouble). Shes not a great queen and neither is the High Elf one, if not controlled they will undermine anything the main characters do as the biggest representations of the elven race to the world that we know of so far. Id need to replay the latest update to refresh what it said but it had a section for Dark Elf royalty - im wondering if more royals have yet to be revealed to the main story though we have kinda met the Desert Elf queen already leaving just... well the Drow dont have one so yeah Dark Elf is all that remains in that regards.
 

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Moving on from pointless discussions, what do you think her name should be?
Can we name here, like we do with Android?
I don't like Juliet either, that's why she doesn't get content, but don't let anyone know, there might be 10 more pages of people accusing me of random shit.
I do like her, like a lot of the chars you made, so tread carefully.
yeah .. that would be a NO ........ i was referring to the girls living at the Hotel .... Hanna does not live there !!!! .......
You old geezer, Hanna lives in the Hotel, check Maria's room.:ROFLMAO:
 
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Runey, I see the first visit to Kali's dad's was redone since the last time I played. It looks like it is generally the same as it was but I'm curious why you took the choice to tell Kali you love her away from the player in favor of a scripted response. It wasn't bad really because I would have said that anyway but it does have less of an impact on the players involvement.

It just feels better to be able to tell her personally I think. Same as being forced to punch Maria's ex, it's the right thing to do but it would have munch more oomph if you could choose to do it. Not shitting on your choices it's just an observation.
 

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Can wed name here, like we do with Android?
Not a bad idea either, could have the twins fighting, they each want something, and the player walks in and they make him pick. They can either pick one of the ones the girls want (+love to that girl), or pick something else (type in).
I do like her, like a lot of the chars you made, so tread carefully.
Me too, she is beautiful.
You old geezer, Hanna lives in the Hotel, check Maria's room.:ROFLMAO:
Yeah, quite a few do now.... XD
 

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Being locked at 30 friendship points with Kali means you downloaded an unreleased beta build of v0.10 or v0.11 (most likely from here). Downloading beta builds has a high chance of breaking your save, as it did in this case. This is a good reminder that betas exist for a reason, and downloading the official releases each time is best.

To fix this issue quickly, you will need to open the console and type: kali_friendship +=1



This is the compressed version. Without current compression, the game would be over 70GB.
If you want further compression, which is unofficially supported and low in quality, you can find that somewhere in this thread. (I don't have a link to it, sorry).



She was removed, she wasn't my character and I didn't support her for years.
Thanks for the fast answer, didn't know about that situation, glad you clarified it, have a nice week sir !
 

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He has shown already he has the power to on the whim remove slaves from masters because he deems them unfit to have them. Why the MC emotional or not jumped through so many hoops to threaten him over events Cornwall was not directly responsible for is beyond me but hes got it coming if he wants to poke a hornets nest esp as he wants to really create change for elves and half elves. Cornwall has already shown himself a willing ally and to lend his ear to the MCs ideas which make it even more face palm worthy but alas maybe Runey is setting him up to be the prime antagonist despite these older scenes. He wont react well to his entire empire being at threat by a robot replacement for them as the story seems to be leaning.

Still whats his plan with the elf queen, hes offering her hand in marriage during his PR junket. Id like to assume Runey wont just marry her off to some random so its gotta be someone we know if its not Cornwell himself? i suppose the MC makes the most sense as hes little connection with her but he could try and use her as bargaining tool to simmer his push against elves perhaps? or use it to create conflict within the Harem as ive no idea how Lin would take that idea even if having her onside would greatly help her cause (unless she would turn on them and was a mole so that would be say the Sanctuary exposed and Nia in great trouble). Shes not a great queen and neither is the High Elf one, if not controlled they will undermine anything the main characters do as the biggest representations of the elven race to the world that we know of so far. Id need to replay the latest update to refresh what it said but it had a section for Dark Elf royalty - im wondering if more royals have yet to be revealed to the main story though we have kinda met the Desert Elf queen already leaving just... well the Drow dont have one so yeah Dark Elf is all that remains in that regards.
Cornwall is all about law, his law. If he does something, it's because the law he creates/helps create allows him to do it. He personally does not care too much about elves, he sees them like dogs, horses, or pigs. Just animals the humans use to do things. He's mostly a populist who preaches for the status quo. Most people don't like seeing anything get raped or murdered or abused right in front of their eyes on a societal level anyway, so he certainly wouldn't allow it either. All he wants is to keep his power. It has always been my intention to make Cornwall an antagonist, but I don't like evil characters.

Just to clarify, MC only gets emotional if you choose that option. You can also try asking kdad for help.

Cornwall, and especially Mr. Corpus (Autumn's father) are using Jia as a pawn here, as is her role in this world. To many, marrying an elf off to a human may seem good or progressive. It may represent the combining of two peoples in harmony. But here, it is much more malicious, and goes too far into deep spoiler content. But in part, it is also an effort to make more elves follow their brand of religion, which says humans are superior to elves. Jia didn't make it seem like it, but they are definitely planning on marrying her to a human, one who follows Gaius.


As a side note, I would like to explain Jia's character a bit. I see her as a poor woman who has been gaslit, told what to be and do all her life, been told how to feel and what to say all her life, just generally so emotionally and mentally abused that it has made her near insane. Her character archetype is cuckoolander. (Nothing to do with NTR, relax everyone). I love her character quite a lot and I want to include her in more scenes, but I'm not sure if she will be able to fit in the story as a side character. I think she will be neither antagonist nor protagonist in the story, but maybe more like an anti-hero.

Runey, I see the first visit to Kali's dad's was redone since the last time I played. It looks like it is generally the same as it was but I'm curious why you took the choice to tell Kali you love her away from the player in favor of a scripted response. It wasn't bad really because I would have said that anyway but it does have less of an impact on the players involvement.

It just feels better to be able to tell her personally I think. Same as being forced to punch Maria's ex, it's the right thing to do but it would have munch more oomph if you could choose to do it. Not shitting on your choices it's just an observation.
It wasn't my intention to completely remake the story of that event, just to make it better and to update the lighting/visuals. I still wanted to hit the same story beats. To answer your question about why I removed the option to not say "I love you.", it wouldn't have made sense for the story, especially what was going on at the time. This was the moment you and Kali became officially together, so it would be a plot hole to ruin the moment in a way. Any woman in real life is going to be very concerned if you don't respond with "I love you" after what Kali let out to you.
 
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Any woman in real life is going to be very concerned if you don't respond with "I love you" after what Kali let out to you.
I agree and it makes sense, but I'm sure there are people who play that don't "love" her and are just stringing her along so the option of not saying anything kind of gives them that option whether it fits or not. Then again that would mean Kali would need two routes and as far as I'm aware she only has one. Again just my two cents and thanks for the explanation.
 

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I agree and it makes sense, but I'm sure there are people who play that don't "love" her and are just stringing her along so the option of not saying anything kind of gives them that option whether it fits or not. Then again that would mean Kali would need two routes and as far as I'm aware she only has one. Again just my two cents and thanks for the explanation.
Yeah, for sure. And I know there are people like that out there, but I'm sure those players understand what's going on. They might not like every main character, but MC has to.
 

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We all get it that you have your own interests and goals for your game and it's totally okay to pursue them. It is an artistic view which is not a bad thing at all. What I can't understand though is how defensive you got after people started expressing their dissapointnent about recent changes for Jin and inconsistencies which these changes caused. Really wonder what is to be confused and defensive about here, yeah, as far as I know, it is indeed considered bad writing and management manners and a huge middle finger to the face of the audience to COMPLETELY change a certain character who was a part of the story for a long time without making that change optional, especially in a game which is very well popular and well recieved. When your game has such huge audience and you make quite a sum from it each month, you are not making it for yourself only. At the very least such major changes should be discussed with your patreon members and voted upon, not done just because "you want it" or "you never had interest". Just bring her out of the story if you never had interest, would be much better than changing her entirely and then being confused as to why I am being a broken record replying to these messages.

So yeah, it's basically what I said in my earlier post, Runey only done that change because it was more convenient for them and it was too much of an effort to write separate storylines for different Jins, even considering almost 6k patrons that pay for that effort to happen. Well, I guess you've been "staring at them tit-- number of patreons" and forgot that you are not only creating this game for yourself.
So then, if Patreon were to someday include clones as part of their I word ban for some stupid reason and Runey had to change Felicity and Emma, it would be bad writing? Bad writing is bad writing, but changing the character because he does not like it and runs the risk of creating lesser quality content for that character out of that dislike is entirely different as are character changes out of necessity to keep the game going. It was either change Jin to something he isn't against creating content for so he can create content on an equal level to the other girls or keep her the same and run the risk of not being able to bring himself to write Lin or Maria level content for Jin.

Just because "he wants it" or "he never had interest" are the ONLY reason he needs to not do something, there is no convenience factor. It was done because Runey does not want to do this content you want, and his word is law on his game.

But you do have that option. Just don't pay the money to send her to the hospital, and the amount of Jin content will remain the same. You'll still be able to take her to the dungeon. There'd never be any NEW content made for her in that way, but having the option to keep her isn't synonymous with having new content produced for that option. Runey has been clear that he doesn't find bimbo-Jin attrative enough to want to make content for her.
Same way some people want the Drow to be added, and I don't see it happening; Runey doesn't seem to find her attractive.
Hell, I'd like Juliet to get some content, but I've been waiting a while, and it's not any more likely now than it was half-a-dozen updates ago.
Here's the thing, they want to be able to keep the old Jin and get the new content, both of which are completely incompatible with each other. I mean, it could work, but then there would be a completely sudden body change with no reason for it since she never got the thing you refuse to pay for that was supposed to make said change. They want to have their cake and eat it, too.

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And Runey does it again, a cat pic cures all. As for a name, Sofia maybe? That's the best I could come up with on the spot.

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No, no it will not, but it would begin another. The game is already as compressed as it can be without having potential issues ranging from graphics quality problems to outright crashes.
I actually woke up with a thought this morning that Cornwall could take Lin away if the MC displeased him somehow. You'd rescue Lin or whatever after a few days, she'd run into the MC's arms, kiss, and he would realize how wrong he was with the slave trade and keeping elves as pure slaves because of seeing the connection Lin has with the MC, and eventually some way down the line, they'd be freed and the MC & Lin could marry.

I mean I doubt know since it's close to what happened already with a certain girl in the hotel so I don't know if that sort of thing would be repeated. But it was a thought I had this morning on how Lin and the MC could finally be together without barriers. I'm sure it would involve Cornwall either way
You know, I never really thought about Cornwall being able to repossess your slaves and now the thought terrifies me. I DO NOT want to go through another Maria, especially on all the enslavement eligible girls all at the same time. Maria alone was hard enough and still has me wanting to declare all out war on Syl'anar with no prisoners taken.

SIDE NOTE: Runey, go ahead if that's part of the future story, though it's not like you need my permission. I'll be fine with whatever you decide, I just might end up going nuclear against Syl'anar and, given the option, there literally would be no prisoners. ;)

He's welcome to try. Don't think he's gonna like what happens if he does, though.
No, I'm already just waiting for an excuse to sick Nia on him given the option to do so.

I've been dreading something like that in this game for a couple of days because he did say earlier in the game about taking Elves away from masters and I guess going through my 2nd playthrough (just for Lin screenshots) made me realize he can take her away for basically any reason, even if it's manufactured. I mean, she is trying to change things, and he's helping and along with her.

Bad enough what happened to Maria but it better not happen to Lin in some way
It very easily could in a place like Syl'anar, but I won't let that happen without a fight and neither would Nia.

If Cornwall tries anything, we'll turn him into corn flakes and feed him to the elves for breakfast.
If there's anything left of him after Nia gets done.

I wanted to jump through the screen several times and punch that bastard out, especially during his "313 Speech"...

Bastardo, Baka (ばか), Scheißkerl, сволочь, Bastard (cursing in all the languages I know)
I've wanted to do so much worse since Maria, before that, yeah, I wanted to throw some punches and insults his way. This man infuriates me like no other, not even real people get me violently angry.

He has shown already he has the power to on the whim remove slaves from masters because he deems them unfit to have them. Why the MC emotional or not jumped through so many hoops to threaten him over events Cornwall was not directly responsible for is beyond me but hes got it coming if he wants to poke a hornets nest esp as he wants to really create change for elves and half elves. Cornwall has already shown himself a willing ally and to lend his ear to the MCs ideas which make it even more face palm worthy but alas maybe Runey is setting him up to be the prime antagonist despite these older scenes. He wont react well to his entire empire being at threat by a robot replacement for them as the story seems to be leaning.

Still whats his plan with the elf queen, hes offering her hand in marriage during his PR junket. Id like to assume Runey wont just marry her off to some random so its gotta be someone we know if its not Cornwell himself? i suppose the MC makes the most sense as hes little connection with her but he could try and use her as bargaining tool to simmer his push against elves perhaps? or use it to create conflict within the Harem as ive no idea how Lin would take that idea even if having her onside would greatly help her cause (unless she would turn on them and was a mole so that would be say the Sanctuary exposed and Nia in great trouble). Shes not a great queen and neither is the High Elf one, if not controlled they will undermine anything the main characters do as the biggest representations of the elven race to the world that we know of so far. Id need to replay the latest update to refresh what it said but it had a section for Dark Elf royalty - im wondering if more royals have yet to be revealed to the main story though we have kinda met the Desert Elf queen already leaving just... well the Drow dont have one so yeah Dark Elf is all that remains in that regards.
The reason he did it is because someone he was emotionally attached to was affected right in front of him. She was treated beyond brutally in the process. Cornwall IS NOT an ally to this cause, he only made the changes he did to appease his people so he could maintain his office. He is a typical politician, he acts in favor of things only when they benefit him.

As for the emotional outburst, to expand on what I said earler, he witnessed her treated very badly and it triggered a severe emotional response. Humans don't always have the luxury of being able to think striaght when in a highly emotional state, which the MC was in. He definitely made a mistake that could have worsened the situation and got lucky that it didn't.

Cornwall is all about law, his law. If he does something, it's because the law he creates/helps create allows him to do it. He personally does not care too much about elves, he sees them like dogs, horses, or pigs. Just animals the humans use to do things. He's mostly a populist who preaches for the status quo. Most people don't like seeing anything get raped or murdered or abused right in front of their eyes on a societal level anyway, so he certainly wouldn't allow it either. All he wants is to keep his power. It has always been my intention to make Cornwall an antagonist, but I don't like evil characters.

Just to clarify, MC only gets emotional if you choose that option. You can also try asking kdad for help.

Cornwall, and especially Mr. Corpus (Autumn's father) are using Jia as a pawn here, as is her role in this world. To many, marrying an elf off to a human may seem good or progressive. It may represent the combining of two peoples in harmony. But here, it is much more malicious, and goes too far into deep spoiler content. But in part, it is also an effort to make more elves follow their brand of religion, which says humans are superior to elves. Jia didn't make it seem like it, but they are definitely planning on marrying her to a human, one who follows Gaius.


As a side note, I would like to explain Jia's character a bit. I see her as a poor woman who has been gaslit, told what to be and do all her life, been told how to feel and what to say all her life, just generally so emotionally and mentally abused that it has made her near insane. Her character archetype is cuckoolander. (Nothing to do with NTR, relax everyone). I love her character quite a lot and I want to include her in more scenes, but I'm not sure if she will be able to fit in the story as a side character. I think she will be neither antagonist nor protagonist in the story, but maybe more like an anti-hero.



It wasn't my intention to completely remake the story of that event, just to make it better and to update the lighting/visuals. I still wanted to hit the same story beats. To answer your question about why I removed the option to not say "I love you.", it wouldn't have made sense for the story, especially what was going on at the time. This was the moment you and Kali became officially together, so it would be a plot hole to ruin the moment in a way. Any woman in real life is going to be very concerned if you don't respond with "I love you" after what Kali let out to you.
In other words, a typical power hungry politician that does things only when it benefits him. The benefit to the elves or other humans is entirely coincidental, their benefit just happened to follow the same path as his own. The elves got lucky with those reforms.

Meanwhile, Jia is a typical royal, basically forced into a strict regimen of training for her future role in her early life, then transitioned to where she is now. Watched at all times, insane pressure like an entire mountain on her shoulders, the survival of her entire race weighing her down. I do not envy her position, being any kind of leader at that level, essentially on the same level as today's world leaders in reality, is an extremely difficult and stressful thing to do. That said, I trust her about as much or less than I do Cornwall, who I desperately want to throw into a wood chipper after beating him senseless with a baseball bat covered in rusty nails and set on fire.
 
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