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Runey didn't say it didn't exist. He said he was not sure what you meant.
There's a difference.
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You said " a the party she was fighting elves aka hostile (though the elve did not help) "
I said I didn't know what you meant.
But since you went to back to that event to find that screenshot, I'm sure you'll have also noticed why she was fighting the Drow.
Android asked for money. She said "Give me your money please. I need some."
The humans started freaking out, because androids never talk to people like that, and they never ask for money. So Cornwall's friend told the Drow to attack our Android.
Android was not hostile.
I am aware Hana tries to get Maria not to go, I mentioned this earlier.
But Hana doesn't give Maria a good reason not to go. So without any reason not to go, they go. This is what is known as "foreshadowing"
I am not sure what you're trying to accomplish right now.
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Many of us saw this coming, but not everyone. The MC is in the camp that did not.
#MeToo.
Honestly thought it would come out she is the daughter of a madman that got orphaned because they just put her away like trash that they thought she whas or something else.
I am not saying that she is but that it can really hurt when the people they brought you to the world and gift you live call you a mistake or even worse.
Yeah, I didn't think many people saw this twist coming. From most of the reactions I saw, people were surprised. Except for those who saw that one line hidden away in Maria's pinups.
But if you were able to connect the dots before it happened, nice! I like placing stuff like that around for players to find and connect.
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For me, looking backwards, the hints were there and not that difficulty to see if you knew what you are looking for.
Yet, as much as I wasn't looking for I was also trying to ignore it, I assume, at least on a subconscious level.
I have connected to their story over the process of the game and the last I would like to see to happen to them would be that they are getting harmed. So I don't go an imagined what bad can happen to them instead of positive possibility.
- Jun 4, 2019
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I think its the red herring that throws most people off.
When Maria is talking about her eyes being purple. Yes, it indicates that an ancestors of hers was an elf. But you consider the eye colour being expressed several generations down the bloodline. You don't expect it to be so recent as to possibly be from one of her parents.
When Maria is talking about her eyes being purple. Yes, it indicates that an ancestors of hers was an elf. But you consider the eye colour being expressed several generations down the bloodline. You don't expect it to be so recent as to possibly be from one of her parents.
Yeah, that was one of the clues, that was also made fuzzy by talking about how many others have it, and how much better Ashley's were (full dark elf).
Elvish eyes stick around for a very, very long time. Ashley actually has pure dark elf eyes, but of course she's much less dark elvish than Maria.
- Mar 8, 2018
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One thing that puzzles me, why are half elves considered way below elves in this society? Pretty much excluded from everything.
Guessing that goes back to that whole 'bestiality' thing we were talking about before.
There is also the loophole in the law that Cornwall left when he gave rights to the elves.
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I suppose, I just don't think it's fair to punish the innocent. I'm going to change that when I'm President.
There should have been an option to tell her it was a bad idea, because she was obviously a half-elf. Hell, up until her insistence to go to get a blood test, I assumed she knew she was a half-elf.
Since I'd picked up on the clues up to that point, I figured that was the intent; that the player (and the MC) would suspect that she was a half-elf. As a result, when she discussed going to get a blood test, I expected a "Are you kidding, Maria?" option. But apparently, the MC is a moron, who is unable to pick up on clues.
The attached screenshot is from September 2019, though I think I'd noticed maybe six months before that. Given that I knew her heritage for nearly two years, to then have an event where I had no choice but to say "sure, let's go get your blood tested, even though I know that's a terrible idea", was a little aggravating.
Well, let's be honest, the percentage of us that figured it out ahead of time is not that big.
Exactly, Maria had no reason to call off her plan up until the moment she was tackled to the ground, by which point it was far too late.
No, what would be extremely lazy is just to not do it at all and then just write in that the MC is now pissed at Cornwall for some now unknown reason. There literally is no other way because any other way to write it in has too little effect on the characters' emotions, has too little effect on the players' emotions, or ends up with the MC's anger directed at the wrong character. There is no lesson to learn, she already trusts the MC, but she made up her mind and was going to go because there was no reason not to until she was already tackled to the ground. She was only going for a test to find her parents, there's no reason not to do that, or so they thought at the time. No, the MC is not responsible for Maria being enslaved, Syl'anar is responsible. It is Syl'anar's slave trade that enslaved her, not Maria's, not the MC's. He wanted her to be happy and she was going whether he okayed it or not. He literally has no authority over her, he's not her parent and she isn't under the age at which parents are responsible, what she does is her choice to make and hers alone. No, even the potential that she is enough of an elf to be enslaved wouldn't change her mind, her mind was made up, she was going no matter what. Besides, him telling her that she could be enough of an elf to be enslaved is speculation at best before they get to the hospital. The MC doesn't have the technology to test her DNA and neither does Maria, so she'd be risking not finding her parents all on the chance she's enough of an elf to be enslaved. For something as big as finding one's parents, a chance like that is worth the risk. Yeah, the kidnapping would fit the world, but it would direct the MC's anger at the wrong people. He was meant to get angry at Cornwall and the hospital staff, which is what happened as it is now. Yeah, we have yet to see evidence because there hasn't been an update yet with the next part connected to the hospital event. I specifically said it is the cause of future events, meaning events that haven't happened. Runey set up a cause for something big to happen in a later updated. Nope, Maria wanted to find her parents, so the place to do that is the hospital, where DNA can be tested for genetic connections between people. Hence it was the only way this could have happened. Letting her go on her own would be ten times worse because then it would make both the MC and some players regret not being there for her.
Again, if you don't like it, you don't have to read it, nothing is going to come up later requiring you to know what happened at the hospital. You could just skip over that text and move on to characters and plot lines you want to see, nobody is forcing you to read this part of the game.
Good to hear, I'm normally all for that kind of content, but the hospital scene seems to have triggered a desire to protect Maria greater than any of my usual content desires.
That sounds exactly like the issue at hand. I can't see any actual issues with the scene in question, only some personal ones. Not everyone is going to like that kind of thing just like not everyone is going to like other parts. It is a lose/lose scenario to try and please everyone.
I mean, Runey literally has the code at his fingertips, so there's no getting an argument about certain options existing or not past him. He's also the writer, meaning he also has all the existing plot details at his fingertips as well. These people literally cannot win this argument.
Ask? Yes. Deny the answer given after asking or assert that it happened a certain way or should have? No.
Which is not an easy task to maintain and someone who learns slowly would not have even an averagely easy time with it. It would be an even more difficult task for them to maintain that.
The Drow is at fault for the first one.
That second one is rather vague, she doesn't exactly say who will hurt her or how in that line. It could easily mean that the results of the test, not including her level of Elven DNA, will hurt her. It could mean that she could find a lead on her parents only to find out that they are total assholes. Finding out who your parents are can be a VERY negative, emotionally painful, and possibly even traumatizing experience.
The third one is also similarly vague.
Exactly, which means there was a chance she was not eligible for enslavement before it happened.
The only real sign of her Elven heritage is her eyes and eyes stick around a long time, meaning they don't make a good indicator alone. Hana tried to tell her it was a bad idea already, but she never told Maria WHY it was a bad idea.
I honestly figured it was the majority of people.
Hence, to be told "let's go get my blood tested, I'm sure nothing horrible can come of that" and not have an option to say "no, Maria honey, that's a terrible idea." was aggravating. I'd have liked to try and talk her out of it, even though the event would still require her to go to the hospital, because there are no branching paths to this VN. But at least I'd have felt less passive about letting her walk to the slaughter.
Having said that, I know why there couldn't be an option to say "no, Maria honey, that's a terrible idea, because you're clearly a half-elf", because for some people that option would have come out of left-field.
Actually, her eyes weren't how I knew she was a half-elf at all; elven eye colours are too common to even be tertiary evidence.
And yet, I did know, for literally years before "the reveal". If I could pick up on the other clues and work it out, I figured so could the MC.
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Probably not. I would imagine that the genetic testing would be very specific, as I would imagine that quite a sizeable portion of the population might have elf DNA. So they probably look for certain genetic markers in a similar manner to those ancestry/ethnicity dna testers. It might even be something like specific elf markers in the blood.
Lets just say that in our world, someone does a DNA test and finds they've, I don't know, 12% Greek DNA. That means that you are going back 3 generations of genetic material and looking at 8 great grandparents.
In the Harem Hotel universe, there's probably a cut-off point, like if someone has 3% Elf DNA, they're not going to enslave them because 5 generations back, one of their ancestors was an elf (thats 1 person out of 32). And I would imagine that cut-off point is either parents or grandparents.
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- Jun 29, 2019
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The only clue about elf heritage is her eyes, and Runey, the games creator, explained that the feature of the eyes can stick around a long time.
In otherwords, many generations, as also pointed out by the fact that Ashley is less than half elf. In other posts Runey also states that elf colored eyes are not uncommon amongst the citizens,.
That means that eye color means nothing, and is not a way to spot elves, only someone, who at some point in their ancestory has had an elf ancestor.
Arguing with the creator of the world that the game takes place in, because you don't like the way they chose to do something, makes very little sense, since the dev has already given their reasons for doing it that way.
Why would she want to enslave herself then?
But you only found out that half dark elves age at roughly the same rate as humans after it was revealed she was a half elf. She's also very smart and doesn't have elf ears. Most logic prior to the reveal suggests she's just a normal human except for some threads included. To say it's obvious to the point it should have been included is disingenuous.
You didn't know her heritage though, it was only hinted at. As you say yourself, it was "pretty likely" due to what you pieced together. You had no idea it was a fact until I made it one.