VN Ren'Py Harem Hotel [v0.18.1] [Runey]

[gsw454twerf]

I have one question / minor complaint, unless I missed something.

Why is there still no way for you to have Lin call you by your name ? It could have been part of her character arc, as the relationship builds more from master-slave to love/partners.

Even if you put your exact MC name in the "Call me by this name" chat option, the game treats it as a title you are having her call you (like Master), rather than addressing you by name.

 

[Ultimate_Mayhem21]

I have one question / minor complaint, unless I missed something.

Why is there still no way for you to have Lin call you by your name ? It could have been part of her character arc, as the relationship builds more from master-slave to love/partners.

Even if you put your exact MC name in the "Call me by this name" chat option, the game treats it as a title you are having her call you (like Master), rather than addressing you by name.

The issue isn't with just Lin I think it's literally everyone I think the game just doesn't recognize that the two names are the same

 

[gsw454twerf]

The issue isn't with just Lin I think it's literally everyone I think the game just doesn't recognize that the two names are the same

Yeah, I was thinking that a way to explicitly avoid this at this juncture in the game could be to let MC have an event / dialog option with Lin (and maybe Android as well), where he tells them to stop addressing him as (title/master) and start calling him by his name.

This stands out so much more after you start pursuing love route for the likes of Nia and Sylvia, as they will call you by your MC name, unless you explicitly tell them to call you by a title. It just feels awkward when I certainly care for Lin and Android far more than I do Nia and Sylvia at this stage.

For Lin and Android, the game starts off by forcibly asking you to provide a title and never gives an option to remove that.

 

[TheDevian]

I have one question / minor complaint, unless I missed something.

Why is there still no way for you to have Lin call you by your name ? It could have been part of her character arc, as the relationship builds more from master-slave to love/partners.

Even if you put your exact MC name in the "Call me by this name" chat option, the game treats it as a title you are having her call you (like Master), rather than addressing you by name.

She does in some events, but if you want, you can choose what she calls you at the beginning, you can type something, IIRC.

 

[Uthuriel]

She does in some events, but if you want, you can choose what she calls you at the beginning, you can type something, IIRC.

....like Daddy
I heard she likes that....

 

[gsw454twerf]

She does in some events, but if you want, you can choose what she calls you at the beginning, you can type something, IIRC.

Yes you can type out what she calls you, and you can type out the exact MC name there, which I did. However, the game doesn't recognize that you are now having her call you by MC's actual name. It is still treated as just another title by other NPCs.

e.g. I had her calling by my MC name, but during the Lucia pizza delivery BJ scene, Lucia starts using that title rather than your name. She says she heard Lin calling you that, and asks whether you liked it. I was confused at first, because that title and MC name are same in my game, but the game doesn't know that.

As Ultimate_Mayhem21 mentioned, the game is not able to recognize that the title and MCname are same. This could be fixed by adding an option to have them explicitly start calling you by your actual name.

Ultimately, the issue I have with this is that Lin (and also Android but that is perhaps more understandable) are treated more like not-people than other characters like Nia and Sylvia. This is also obviously reflected by Lin having the Obedience stat, rather than affection or happiness.

 

[TheDevian]

Yes you can type out what she calls you, and you can type out the exact MC name there, which I did. However, the game doesn't recognize that you are now having her call you by MC's actual name. It is still treated as just another title by other NPCs.

e.g. I had her calling by my MC name, but during the Lucia pizza delivery BJ scene, Lucia starts using that title rather than your name. She says she heard Lin calling you that, and asks whether you liked it. I was confused at first, because that title and MC name are same in my game, but the game doesn't know that.

As Ultimate_Mayhem21 mentioned, the game is not able to recognize that the title and MCname are same. This could be fixed by adding an option to have them explicitly start calling you by your actual name.

Ultimately, the issue I have with this is that Lin (and also Android but that is perhaps more understandable) are treated more like not-people than other characters like Nia and Sylvia. This is also obviously reflected by Lin having the Obedience stat, rather than affection or happiness.

She does, in some scenes, and frankly, I am not a big fan of it, it really feels weird after all this time. lol

But then, I am also into the dungeon stuff, and other sexy play.

 

[Ultimate_Mayhem21]

Yes you can type out what she calls you, and you can type out the exact MC name there, which I did. However, the game doesn't recognize that you are now having her call you by MC's actual name. It is still treated as just another title by other NPCs.

e.g. I had her calling by my MC name, but during the Lucia pizza delivery BJ scene, Lucia starts using that title rather than your name. She says she heard Lin calling you that, and asks whether you liked it. I was confused at first, because that title and MC name are same in my game, but the game doesn't know that.

As Ultimate_Mayhem21 mentioned, the game is not able to recognize that the title and MCname are same. This could be fixed by adding an option to have them explicitly start calling you by your actual name.

Ultimately, the issue I have with this is that Lin (and also Android but that is perhaps more understandable) are treated more like not-people than other characters like Nia and Sylvia. This is also obviously reflected by Lin having the Obedience stat, rather than affection or happiness.

The Obedience stat is rather off at times it doesn't make sense that something like watching TV together raises it

 

[TheDevian]

The Obedience stat is rather off at times it doesn't make sense that something like watching TV together raises it

That is because it is the same thing as the 'love' stat on the others.

 

[Ultimate_Mayhem21]

That is because it is the same thing as the 'love' stat on the others.

Yeah but seeing that is a little off-putting I know it's just text but still it's bit character breaking like we're not trying to make her into a slave we're trying to create an actual relationship so seeing something as simple as watching TV together raises someone's obedience is a little disheartening kinda like you're forcing her to do it when it should be that she WANTS to do it.

 

[gsw454twerf]

That is because it is the same thing as the 'love' stat on the others.

Yes, Obedience and Affection are functionally equivalent. But tbh, I'm assuming one of the themes in this game will be the Obedience stat transitioning to the Affection stat for elves, either as part of the main story for all elves once they are liberated from slavery, or on an individual basis in character arcs of elves like Lin.

If the game keeps up with the Obedience stat forever for elves, it will be kind of immersion breaking when the rest of the story is trying to say that elves are not animals and are the same as other people.

 

[TheDevian]

Yeah but seeing that is a little off-putting I know it's just text but still it's bit character breaking like we're not trying to make her into a slave we're trying to create an actual relationship so seeing something as simple as watching TV together raises someone's obedience is a little disheartening kinda like you're forcing her to do it when it should be that she WANTS to do it.

Yes, Obedience and Affection are functionally equivalent. But tbh, I'm assuming one of the themes in this game will be the Obedience stat transitioning to the Affection stat for elves, either as part of the main story for all elves once they are liberated from slavery, or on an individual basis in character arcs of elves like Lin.

If the game keeps up with the Obedience stat forever for elves, it will be kind of immersion breaking when the rest of the story is trying to say that elves are not animals and are the same as other people.

That is the plan, he is considering transitioning to that at some point, but it has to start somewhere, the idea being that she is more willing to do what you want, if you treat her well.

 

[TheDevian]

And how to start events with Lucia? And what are the answers to Kate's questions?

You need to have said yes to her in Kali's path, and you need the 'truestory' code.

You must be registered to see the links

 

[Segnbora]

Alright, since this is sorta being danced around in recent posts...

The way the story transitions from "hot girls, must fuck" to "BDSM harem" to "wait a minute..." is a truly excellent piece of writing. But, at least at the moment, I can still be fully invested in the growing story of how all this slavery shit is horrible, yet still drag my girls into the dungeon to drink piss.

These states of being, for characters, aren't irreconcilable at all. World-breaking women can most definitely be kinky subs, and I know this IRL. But the story doesn't justify it.

You may be working on this and intending to insert it in a future update, and that's fantastic. But I think the female hotel residents deserve some sort of justification for why they're gradually getting on board with a slavery-ending, subjugation-refuting storyline, yet are still horny for being whipped and humiliated. It wouldn't take much. Just an interstitial, as each NPC reaches her epiphany re: slavery. But it's very hard to understand why, say, Android's just as fine with BDSM as she was before her digital introspection. By which I mean: the story should explain it at some point.

 

[freedom.call]

I always when people say making babies is a fetish. In a game world I can see that point fwiw.

 

[Ultimate_Mayhem21]

Alright, since this is sorta being danced around in recent posts...

The way the story transitions from "hot girls, must fuck" to "BDSM harem" to "wait a minute..." is a truly excellent piece of writing. But, at least at the moment, I can still be fully invested in the growing story of how all this slavery shit is horrible, yet still drag my girls into the dungeon to drink piss.

These states of being, for characters, aren't irreconcilable at all. World-breaking women can most definitely be kinky subs, and I know this IRL. But the story doesn't justify it.

You may be working on this and intending to insert it in a future update, and that's fantastic. But I think the female hotel residents deserve some sort of justification for why they're gradually getting on board with a slavery-ending, subjugation-refuting storyline, yet are still horny for being whipped and humiliated. It wouldn't take much. Just an interstitial, as each NPC reaches her epiphany re: slavery. But it's very hard to understand why, say, Android's just as fine with BDSM as she was before her digital introspection. By which I mean: the story should explain it at some point.

BDSM is actually a form of trust, respect, and love you need ultimate trust that you're partner isn't going to do anything dangerous to harm you.

 

[Runey]

I have one question / minor complaint, unless I missed something.

Why is there still no way for you to have Lin call you by your name ? It could have been part of her character arc, as the relationship builds more from master-slave to love/partners.

Even if you put your exact MC name in the "Call me by this name" chat option, the game treats it as a title you are having her call you (like Master), rather than addressing you by name.

This is something Lin starts to do later in her story. At one point there is even a moment where she asks you if it's fine to call you by your name around other people. This is one of the moments where you two become more equal to each other. The "master" title begins to be used for mostly dirty talk afterwards.


So, yes! It is already a part of her character arc.

Alright, since this is sorta being danced around in recent posts...

The way the story transitions from "hot girls, must fuck" to "BDSM harem" to "wait a minute..." is a truly excellent piece of writing. But, at least at the moment, I can still be fully invested in the growing story of how all this slavery shit is horrible, yet still drag my girls into the dungeon to drink piss.

These states of being, for characters, aren't irreconcilable at all. World-breaking women can most definitely be kinky subs, and I know this IRL. But the story doesn't justify it.

You may be working on this and intending to insert it in a future update, and that's fantastic. But I think the female hotel residents deserve some sort of justification for why they're gradually getting on board with a slavery-ending, subjugation-refuting storyline, yet are still horny for being whipped and humiliated. It wouldn't take much. Just an interstitial, as each NPC reaches her epiphany re: slavery. But it's very hard to understand why, say, Android's just as fine with BDSM as she was before her digital introspection. By which I mean: the story should explain it at some point.

I don't feel like there needs to be any level of justification for ones kinks. This is one of the more subtle messages I send in Harem Hotel, that you've seemed to pick up on. Being proper in the streets doesn't mean you can't be a freak in the sheets, and there is a difference between fantasy and reality in this sense. Such as Kali having a rape fantasy, but obviously she doesn't want to be raped. I don't think it's necessary to go over the philosophy of this, it sort of speaks for itself I feel.

Though it may be funny for a scenario like this to happen: Sylvia finds out Lin loves being tied up and used in the dungeon, and attempts to point out the "hypocrisy" in that and what she fights for publicly. Lin would probably just look at her like she's dumb.

 

[gsw454twerf]

This is something Lin starts to do later in her story. At one point there is even a moment where she asks you if it's fine to call you by your name around other people. This is one of the moments where you two become more equal to each other. The "master" title begins to be used for mostly dirty talk afterwards.


So, yes! It is already a part of her character arc.

That's good to hear. I somehow seem to have missed that particular moment or perhaps glossed over it, maybe because I had been using actual MC name in the title for both Lin and Android since fairly early on, and the distinction might have gone unnoticed in that dialog.

Having read your great work on this game, I was confident that this was something you must have thought about, and was thus surprised when I didn't notice it being addressed.

 

[Runey]

That's good to hear. I somehow seem to have missed that particular moment or perhaps glossed over it, maybe because I had been using actual MC name in the title for both Lin and Android since fairly early on, and the distinction might have gone unnoticed in that dialog.

Having read your great work on this game, I was confident that this was something you must have thought about, and was thus surprised when I didn't notice it being addressed.

Yeah, she says something along the lines of "Do you mind if I call you [name] around others?" So if [name] is the same as the title name, you probably wouldn't have given it any thought.

 

[ben75]

What sort of content would you guys like to see in v0.15?

hm, nice question.
1. more elf content (in both routes, love: repeatable sex with silvia and nia, slave: dungeonscenes and dungeonsex with all elf)
2. 'sleep with ...': repeatable evening sex with girl before sleep and morning sex after sleep (maybe mc fuck the girl before sleep, and girl rides mc's dick to wake him up)
3. more kate and juliet content (naughty stuff)
4. more autumn naughty stuff (maybe anal, titjobs, tightjobs etc.)
5. chance that girls get pregnant
6. poledance and stripdance in bar

sorry for my bad english