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Strike-10

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We have seen a couple of them, but they haven't had a lot of screen time yet. But we keep hoping.
I keep hoping that Runey will utilize the “others” in the dungeon as fast easy ‘no real story necessary’ expansions of h scenes for ALL the sanctuary Elf’s and / or slightly neglected (minor) characters like Ellen, Jin, Moon, all the hot springs girls pretty much any other minor char.

It could also be an excellent way to expand UP the “content” per release without going the route of having to introduce extra navigation AND development efforts (Like the bowling alley/town areas/strip club/garden etc) I’m not complaining about those additions in any way. However it seems like those cost significant programming effort vs the effort that a few scenes added in the dungeon on the “others button” would. This is just a guess only Runey actually knows … and for long term all those development efforts will probably pay development dividends at some point.

If you want to avoid dungeon content there are other easy adder spots iirc Kim??(Kimee??)&sister went from the school to beach/onsen/bedroom … it could follow a simple version of that route.

IMO the girl that is the Radio MC with her shibari rope tan lines (in onsen & party) she definitely should force the MC to take her to the dungeon once she in her ever nosey manner finds out that it exists. :devilish:
 
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Noah Neim

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if only there was a way to say no to maria doctor appointment or have a silent doc like her friend. completely ruins the flow of the game and destroys her story.
Lowkey i was hardly engaged in her 'story' prior to the reveal, maria practically sat in a limbo of just being a bundle of character tropes you might find hot or funny and that's it. This is a good way of so

damn wtf was the backlash to collabing with an AI studio that bad
The what now?
 
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Yuigoto

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i keep getting this trace back idk how to fix it

While running game code:
File "game/scripts/Garden/GardenFoodDrive.rpy", line 7, in <module>
NameError: name 'mary' is not defined

-- Full Traceback ------------------------------------------------------------

Full traceback:
File "renpy/bootstrap.py", line 331, in bootstrap
renpy.main.main()
File "renpy/main.py", line 560, in main
renpy.game.context().run(node)
File "scripts/Garden/GardenFoodDrive.rpyc", line 1, in script
File "scripts/Garden/GardenFoodDrive.rpyc", line 1, in script
File "renpy/ast.py", line 928, in execute
renpy.python.py_exec_bytecode(self.code.bytecode, self.hide, store=self.store)
File "renpy/python.py", line 2245, in py_exec_bytecode
exec(bytecode, globals, locals)
File "game/scripts/Garden/GardenFoodDrive.rpy", line 7, in <module>
NameError: name 'mary' is not defined
 

shadowtempered

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i keep getting this trace back idk how to fix it

While running game code:
File "game/scripts/Garden/GardenFoodDrive.rpy", line 7, in <module>
NameError: name 'mary' is not defined

-- Full Traceback ------------------------------------------------------------

Full traceback:
File "renpy/bootstrap.py", line 331, in bootstrap
renpy.main.main()
File "renpy/main.py", line 560, in main
renpy.game.context().run(node)
File "scripts/Garden/GardenFoodDrive.rpyc", line 1, in script
File "scripts/Garden/GardenFoodDrive.rpyc", line 1, in script
File "renpy/ast.py", line 928, in execute
renpy.python.py_exec_bytecode(self.code.bytecode, self.hide, store=self.store)
File "renpy/python.py", line 2245, in py_exec_bytecode
exec(bytecode, globals, locals)
File "game/scripts/Garden/GardenFoodDrive.rpy", line 7, in <module>
NameError: name 'mary' is not defined
Last person who reported this/similar error said he had an outdated version of the walk through mod. He re-extracted without the mod and copied his saves over.

https://f95zone.to/threads/harem-hotel-v0-18-1-runey.12760/post-14874611
 
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1reaper1

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Can't agree. I don't like the sequence at all, and I'm sure a large part of that is because I'm into Maria--she isn't my favorite of the girls (that'd be Kali), but she's definitely in the top half. But I think it's essential both to her story, and to the bigger story of the game.

The story of the game is obviously headed toward a major showdown on slavery. MC's against it, Lin's against it, the rest of the elves we know are against it, Kali's there, Autumn's getting there, etc. This gets Maria 100% on board, and also brings in Felicity and Emma.

As to Maria's story, in addition to enlisting her in the War Against Slavery, it finally gives her an answer on why she's an orphan--yes, her parents loved her; yes, they were trying to protect her; no, she wasn't just discarded because she was inconvenient. And it gives her a reason to be something more than a bartender at a hotel bar.

It does show Hana to be a coward, and that's something I think is too easily forgiven in the game. But this, or something similar, had to happen to move things along.
everyone of her close friends are telling her its a bad idea some try and discourage her entirely and yet without even thinking about it she goes and does it. this is a 180 to earlier in the game where she listened to the advice of basically a complete stranger because she was horny. yes it breaks her story as the consistency is gone. then again so many people in that hotel know about halflings and yet no one ever thought she might be one or to look for signs? even the story of her past as no one wanted her should have been a red flag to people who know about halflings to look for signs. hell even mira herself should be able to have suspicions on why no one wanted her when she was academically really gifted. so many things just dont add up when she goes headstrong against all advice and worries without even thinking about it ignoring it all. yes it breaks her story.
 

torresm

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everyone of her close friends are telling her its a bad idea some try and discourage her entirely and yet without even thinking about it she goes and does it. this is a 180 to earlier in the game where she listened to the advice of basically a complete stranger because she was horny. yes it breaks her story as the consistency is gone. then again so many people in that hotel know about halflings and yet no one ever thought she might be one or to look for signs? even the story of her past as no one wanted her should have been a red flag to people who know about halflings to look for signs. hell even mira herself should be able to have suspicions on why no one wanted her when she was academically really gifted. so many things just dont add up when she goes headstrong against all advice and worries without even thinking about it ignoring it all. yes it breaks her story.
Half-elves*

Halflings are a different thing entirely.
 
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danb35

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it breaks her story as the consistency is gone.
First, who is completely consistent? Everyone, from time to time, behaves in a way that's inconsistent with their "normal"--even assuming this is (and we've seen her be plenty stubborn before, too). Second, she's grown quite a bit since the first time we meet her--the Maria who insists on the DNA test is not the Maria we first met as Ashley's friend. Third, how is it inconsistent? To take advice on one occasion, and not on another, is hardly inconsistent.
everyone of her close friends are telling her its a bad idea
One is: Hana. And that's because Hana knows (somehow--OK, "strongly suspects") who and what Maria is, and yet doesn't tell her--which is why I say she's a coward. The others are more "eh, what's the big deal?" They aren't encouraging her, it's true, but neither are they discouraging her. Such discouragement as she gets--other than from Hana--comes from "my family sucks; why would you want to know about yours?"

yet no one ever thought she might be one or to look for signs?
What are those signs? Ears, but those have been altered (as Hana's were). Eyes? Ellen and Ashley both have dark-elf eyes but are perfectly legal. Hana has normal blue eyes and is a half-elf (obviously not half dark elf). Maria's lived 20 years in a world where being a half-elf means instant slavery with zero rights, and nobody's noticed--and unlike Hana, she hasn't had super-protective (adoptive) parents to try to shield her. Even when she goes to the doctor, the doctor doesn't notice. I think we have to conclude that, other than the ears, there aren't any visible signs.

And if you're suggesting that the reason for her lack of romantic or employment success has to do with people picking up on her heritage, don't you think someone would have turned her in?

So no, I don't think it breaks consistency; if anything, it shows growth in her character.

And then, of course, there's the practical issue. We can't branch the story to avoid this, because then she never learns who she is and thus has no personal reason to join the War on Slavery. The story requires she do this, and this is how it happens.
 
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1reaper1

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First, who is completely consistent? Everyone, from time to time, behaves in a way that's inconsistent with their "normal"--even assuming this is (and we've seen her be plenty stubborn before, too). Second, she's grown quite a bit since the first time we meet her--the Maria who insists on the DNA test is not the Maria we first met as Ashley's friend. Third, how is it inconsistent? To take advice on one occasion, and not on another, is hardly inconsistent.

One is: Hana. And that's because Hana knows (somehow--OK, "strongly suspects") who and what Maria is, and yet doesn't tell her--which is why I say she's a coward. The others are more "eh, what's the big deal?" They aren't encouraging her, it's true, but neither are they discouraging her. Such discouragement as she gets--other than from Hana--comes from "my family sucks; why would you want to know about yours?"


What are those signs? Ears, but those have been altered (as Hana's were). Eyes? Ellen and Ashley both have dark-elf eyes but are perfectly legal. Hana has normal blue eyes and is a half-elf (obviously not half dark elf). Maria's lived 20 years in a world where being a half-elf means instant slavery with zero rights, and nobody's noticed--and unlike Hana, she hasn't had super-protective (adoptive) parents to try to shield her. Even when she goes to the doctor, the doctor doesn't notice. I think we have to conclude that, other than the ears, there aren't any visible signs.
For the sings there are the eyes for starters. Theb there is the extremely slow learning she seemed to have as an orphan having to work harder than the rest to get things done and she looks rather young for how old she is. The mc might not have picked up on it but surely one of the elves would have seen something to give a hint. As for hannah she is just lucky as they also tell you in game. As for the consistenct she starts out as a wild all over the place stubborn donkey fucking herself for money and is all over the place untill the she starts trusting the mc and then becomes predictable reliable consistent only to out of almost nowhere go back to an idea which at that point she has had only heard bad things about. If she had heard any good experiences about her bloodwork it would be different but before she does it no one has given her any positive experiences or feedback yet she goes. Thats just not in line with any consistency or even logic
 

Ozymandias037

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Have you ever done something stupid because you wanted to or couldn't get it out of your head, even though other people were telling you it's a bad idea?

Of course you have. We all have. It's part of being human. Or half-elf, I guess, in this case.

My point is, you're being silly.
 

danb35

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For the sings there are the eyes for starters
The eyes show "some dark elf ancestry." Ashley has them (purple, not pink), and is 6% dark elf. Ellen has them as well, and is also not a half-elf. Hana doesn't have them, and is a half-elf (but not dark elf). Maria wears contacts, so she's been (with some regularity) to an eye doctor--obviously there was no suspicion of her being a half-elf during any of those exams.
there is the extremely slow learning
Source? She was a good student (aced every class in college with a double major, while also being the head cheerleader) and considers herself very intelligent, neither of which is consistent with this. Ashley's been shown to have more trouble with school than Maria has.

Even if this were true, I wouldn't consider it a sign of her being a half-elf; Kate has a bona fide learning disability and (as far as we know) has no elvish ancestry.
she looks rather young for how old she is
What? She's 21. I'd say she looks 21, give or take. She looks a good bit more mature than Ashley's 19, at least on par with Lucy (22), a little younger than Autumn (25-26) and Kali (25)--all of whom (except Ashley) are 100% human. When we first meet her at school with Ashley at age 6 (well, Ashley's six, which would mean Maria's 8), she looks like a normal girl of that age and again not notably different (especially not notably younger) from the others.
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Hana, IMO, looks young for her age (also 21). Ashley looks young for her age--growing up malnourished will do that. Maria doesn't.

Again, I completely get not liking the sequence--I don't like it either. You don't enjoy watching someone you love get hurt. It's not as bad as chapter 5 in MBML, but it's bad enough. But to say it breaks her story is a stretch, and to say it breaks the overall story is just ridiculous.
 
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danb35

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But this discussion brings to mind something else that doesn't make sense to me, and that's the secrecy surrounding the Sanctuary, and specifically this from F&E's last event:
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As of the end of 18.1, we have Lin, Jin, Maria, Hana, Nia, Sylvia, Ann, Cira, and Peni living with us--7 elves, 2 half-elves. All but Hana and Cira are properly registered and documented--Lin was already there; Jin, Nia, Sylvia, Ann, and Peni were bought through the HHI; Maria was also bought and registered. Lin, Jin, Maria, and Hana live in the hotel proper; the remaining 5 live in the Sanctuary.

So sure, if the cops come and search the sanctuary (which apparently--and inexplicably--they didn't do during Lin's last story event), there's a problem if they find Cira. But to any kind of casual observer, there shouldn't be a problem.

Granted, MC's using his grandfather's license. Again, a problem in the event of some sort of government inspection (and Cornwall's aware of it).

But still, there are six elves and one half-elf registered there. So why does she think there are only two?
 
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Hi all quick question - I just started playing this. Curious if you can tell me what the update cadence is? Every few months, twice a year, once a year, etc?

Thanks!
 

Karla Jean

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Hi all quick question - I just started playing this. Curious if you can tell me what the update cadence is? Every few months, twice a year, once a year, etc?

Thanks!
I think it's usually two or three updates a year. This year's been rough though and has been atypical.
 
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