I didn't look in this thread for pretty much all the time since the last update and this is still a topic? Holy shit.
I did read it. I've been over this before, if you read what I wrote, you'd understand that despite your intention the scene does not leave real option for anyone's consent. I didn't misread, you just did not think of the full implications of the situation when you wrote it. There is a power dynamic that does not really allow for it as each one controls the lives of the other. Cornwall holds MCs future in his hands and slavemasters control their slaves futures. Sure no one is technically forced to do anything but there are severe consequences if they don't. MC doesn't have to show his love oned to the sleezebag but if he doesn't he may lose his license. The girls do not have to do it with those abusive masters but if they don't they would likely be tormented in any number of legal ways until they accept. Which is why they do it any way and instead kidnap MC to change masters. You're skirting the edge with very flimsy technicalities.
I explained, there is consequences. It's like if I gave you the option to be hit with the belt once or live like a dog for the rest of your life. It's a choice but not one that means you are really willing participant to either. Their choice is to be abused at the orgy or face the consequences at home. They can say no and as you said one does eventually break down, but such things can come with severe consequences because they are not free. So they do choose, but they are mostly not willing. They hate this scenario and are only agreeing because their other options are even worse. Were they truly willing, the plot itself wouldn't make sense. They wouldn't reach the level of desperation needed to commit such a severe crime just for the chance to get out of their master's control.
To keep this short: Life ain't fair, this scene is a proper representation of that. You're not the first to complain and most likely won't be the last, but:
I already said I accept that this game isn't for me. I was just answering questions others asked regarding the situation.
That is your interpretation and a bad one at that. It doesn't mean I didn't read the event, it just means you do not understand what it means to be a slave or really anything in relation to power dynamic. And they would not commit such grave crimes that likely could see them put to death just for the chance to be treated a little better. You just saw one girl break down from abuse and that's what you get out of it? That it's entirely unrelated and they were perfectly willing, just unhappy with like the amount of chores back at home? Jesus.
No harm was done to them... Where, as in right in front of your face? Do you think they have goldfish memories in that they have to do it right then and there? So like if slave masters, that pride themselves on their ability to train slaves, do not enact public punishment as stupidly as the one that did the only thing he's not allowed to do right in front of the guy that enforces the rules, that means that they will face no consequences of any kind ever? Do you understand what a slave is? Or do you simply presume characters don't have implied lives outside of visible scenes? You saw the characters of those trainers, do they even remotely look like the type to just let it go and do nothing about it?
If v0.7 is done tomorrow, it'll be a Pre Release build. Whether or not it's leaked here, I don't know.
No it's not.
There are no consequences for saying no. Cornwall COMPLETELY accepts Sylvia's refusing to anal without pushing her what so ever.
I've covered this so many times. They are willing.
I've covered this so many times. Their other options are not worse.
Because you didn't read the event.
I've covered this already. They can go to the HHI and report their Masters.
There is literally only one line of this, again proof you didn't read. MC says "Egh, I better not. He seems like an important person with powerful friends."
More proof you haven't read anything. Elves have rights. You can't just kill an Elf. You will be imprisoned for mishandling an Elf. Something Cornwall enacted.
She was acting. She says this very soon after. She's extremely skilled. Even before you saw her acting, you were shown she knows way more than she's putting off when MC talks about High Elves.
Cornwall fired a very rich friend and investor because he got a LITTLE too handsy on one of his slaves. No. They aren't hurting them. Nia even calls her old Master a rapist, and he isn't. At least, he never raped Nia. Nia just thinks most Masters are rapists because of everything that happened before laws were enacted to give slaves rights. But I'm asumming you didn't read the slave rights thing either.
Slaves IRL have nothing to do with Slaves in HH. It's a completely different system, one you know nothing about because you didn't read.
Is Lin there for sexual pleasure? What about MC? No. They're there for political reasons. Read the story.
Are you not even reading my posts either?
Bad Masters exist, rapists exist, there are those who would kill or beat Elves for looking at them wrong. None of that happened, or is hinted at, in game.
How would we be having this conversation if I did not read the event. I would not know who cornwall is, I would not know there is a false choice to punch him, I would not know there was an orgy, I would not know they kidnap MC, I would not know anything. Instead of lobbing false accusations, could you actually stick to presenting concrete arguments?
When all the character's stories are done, and there's not much more I can add, it'll be v1. It's very possible there could be "DLC" or just v1.1 after that if there's more I want to add.
He was considering it, but the response was pretty negative, so I believe he said he would so something else with that story, though we still have to wait and see how he resolves that issue, or if it will be something we can influence with our actions.
Nope. No bad endings. Only one ending for each character.
There will probably be a massive orgy if you complete every character's story. Wouldn't seem complete without one.and a harem ending?
i mean this game is called harem hotel, it has to have a harem ending
To clarify the misunderstanding, I very much understand the difference. But the truth lies in your post. One can claim that they were willing because they technically had a choice. But it is clear they did so because they knew it is in their best interest to say yes, not because they remotely wanted intimacy from said people.
If they were real people, I would be fighting for their rights and freedoms in every way I could. That said, they are not, this scene shows how bad things were, how they are improving, and quite possibly, how much further they can improve thanks the MCs actions there.
You're mostly correct. Shit like that happens all the time including to myself (though I don't think we can even begin to compare to these poor girls in gravity). Where you go wrong is where you qualify it all as willing. Just because people are put into situations where their best choice is to do something they hate, does not mean they are willing. As shown my example of blackmail. Or shown by the myriad of strict rules around sexual relations wherever any power dynamic exists.
I write all the time too. The thing about writing is that people can lose track or fail to take into account certain factors. That something is canon or intended does not necessarily mean it makes sense or comes off as intended. A writer can write anything. One character can have blue eyes in one scene and comes into the next scene with green eyes. Or one motivation in one scene and the exact opposite in the next. Or in this case being master and slave in one scene and equal terms consensual lovers in the next. Or being willing in one scene and committing violent crimes to avoid the situation in the next. Whether or not they take everything into consideration is part of what differentiates between a good story and a bad story. And why feedback such as this is valuable.
