VN Ren'Py Harem Hotel [v0.18.2] [Runey]

[Runey]

yes its necessary though there are other options to get to the same results in a less whiplash kind of way and at the same time make your choices seem relevant. most of the game it feels to me that choices do change the outcome but for maria you can treat her like crap all game and deny her everything and yet the main character still seems perfectly fine with it when she goes to get tested even after the night before you still said no. the main character feels just 180 to that part of the story if you keep telling her not to do it only to be more than happy to help her as if you encouraged her all the way through the next day. hence i said it would have been nice to have the option of her not going through with it or for example having hannah step in with her doctor. you can still come to the same conclusion afterwards but its quite the whiplash in emotion (which i can get if you supported her) but also the 180 in the mc opinions. this change in opinion does not feel right with me does not feel natural. hence the option would have been appreciated. though i must say my brain being able to scar itself with good writing like this is also a part of the reason i need to stay away from the whiplash turn arounds but thats not all that important for the mc opinions in the game around that part of the game. basically to me the mc for that part does not make sense where as the rest of the game is almost flawless for my liking

Of course there are always other options. But I wrote and developed this one because I wanted it to hit hard. I wanted to evoke an emotional response out of you, and even before this, I wanted to attach you to Maria so the bad shit feels even worse.

I could have definitely made it hit harder, but there is a line I don't want to cross in Harem Hotel. All of this is in an effort to make you care about the characters, what happens to them, and their stories, and gives you a reason to continue to the end to see them happy.

If this doesn't happen to Maria, it makes what happens after it not feel as good or motivating, and it's my goal to make the wins feel as good as the losses felt bad.

MC has also been nothing but supportive to what Maria wants to do, his opinions haven't changed, he just wants Maria to be happy.

 

[rambo455]

Of course there are always other options. But I wrote and developed this one because I wanted it to hit hard. I wanted to evoke an emotional response out of you, and even before this, I wanted to attach you to Maria so the bad shit feels even worse.

I could have definitely made it hit harder, but there is a line I don't want to cross in Harem Hotel. All of this is in an effort to make you care about the characters, what happens to them, and their stories, and gives you a reason to continue to the end to see them happy.

If this doesn't happen to Maria, it makes what happens after it not feel as good or motivating, and it's my goal to make the wins feel as good as the losses felt bad.

MC has also been nothing but supportive to what Maria wants to do, his opinions haven't changed, he just wants Maria to be happy.

the options would have been nice but its your story. unfortunately for me either way i need to stay away from the game due to that whiplash event. knowing it will come makes me need to avoid the entire game

 

[alex2011]

first of all medical data is kept out of reach of your average person a hacker could easily get through to all your medical data as has already happened plenty of times in the past.

even if the main character did choose to give up and support her he really would not be that happy for her when its done. he would still instinctively be in the emotional mindset of protecting her and being against what she is doing thats not going to change if you go that way. you can be against something and still support people who do it that does not mean you are so overly happy as the main character is in this game when it happens. the main character really reacts without the emotions he should have. yes he would probably be happy for her but what is shown in game is extreme.

about the droid have you missed the part where she became hostile against basically everyone after she got her "fix" ? if you go to the school with her you can clearly see that she enjoys making people embarrassed/miserable by exposing their videos/bodies not to mention that she actively turns maria into a sex slave for her own pleasure. over the game the droid has become more and more distant as she basically gets bored with being better than others for things being so easy etc. it would be quite easy to see her going rogue. for an example just look at the droid taking control without order or permission of another droid and causing plenty of trouble even after the main character orders her to stop she does not.


as for there is no other way. thats just lazy bullshit. there is always another way. you just need to want it. personally i would be fine with maria going without the main character or behind their backs and you hearing what happened from a 3rd source as it would teach maria a lesson about listening to people who clearly know things better than her. i mean her best friend hannah went through it and basically tells maria that there is the option to become completely miserable afterwards like she did and still she does not listen and goes along with it. give us the option to let her go alone or lets throw it in a completely different way maria gets kidnapped because someone already knows about why she was dropped at the orphanage and uses that info against her/the main character to extort you or something. it will keep the same punch you say you need (honestly ? its was rather predictable that it would happen) and it might even liven up her story a bit. there are always plenty of options a game/story is never perfect it can always be better. so yeah that there is no other way is just bullshit magnitude 9. personally i really don't care about maria her bland predictable story for me its the infighting between the clones and our knife wielding youngling. or ninas story. actively killing humans to free some elves

There are no such people with those skills that have a bone to pick with Maria.

Of course he's not happy when it's done, when it was done was when she got treated lower than dirt, nobody but pro-slave people would be happy about that.

Embarrassing people or making them miserable is on a totally different level from ruining their entire life by getting them enslaved. She has a mean streak, but she's not so sadistic that she would go against the entire hotel and start supporting the slave trade.

No, it isn't lazy bullshit, lazy bullshit would be not showing this at all and then suddenly having the MC pissed off for no good reason. No, this is called cause and effect, Maria's treatment led to the MC getting pissed, not to mention a few players, and that will in turn lead to action at some point down the road. For every cause, there is an effect, and this was the cause for which we will be seeing a major effect. Had this gone any differently, it would affect the things to come as well on a large scale. As I said before, Maria going alone and Maria going with the MC are exactly the same, we just don't see it happen if she goes alone, that's the only difference. She still would have gotten enslaved, she still would gotten treated as less than dirt, and the MC would still do exactly as he did before and after. Nothing changes in this case except being able to see it. We also have a third option, keep things as they are, it's much better on screen then off and having her kidnapped changes the target of the MC's rage, that's not what Runey was going for, he was most definitely going for something to trigger the MC raging against the slave trade and its supporters, especially including Cornwall.

There are many factors that all hinged on Maria going to that hospital and getting enslaved in the process, it isn't bullshit, it's the way things are. An effect demands an equivalent level cause and that is exactly what we got. It sounds less like there's actually a problem and more like a personal issue, for which I have one thing to say, not every game is for everyone and not every part of every game is for everyone. If you don't like it, this isn't "Lessons in Love," it isn't like there's going to be a test on what happens in that event later, so you could just skip through it and focus on the parts you do like.

 

[Runey]

maria's story is decent just that that part feels rather unnatural when you keep telling her no and then go along as if nothing happens. all i said at the start was i would have liked it if there was an option for her to not go and just trust you and her friend thats all

Can you point out every time MC has said "No, you cannot go."? Because unless I've forgotten something, MC has only been supportive to Maria. Maybe you didn't want her to go, but MC never said it was a bad idea. Maria just wants to find out who her parents are, and MC has been fine with that.

The only person who discouraged her and wanted her to not go was Hana. She knew what might happen, but she gave no solid reason. So why wouldn't Maria want to find her parents? Seriously, what is wrong with that? She's an orphan, there's nothing wrong with trying to find out who your parents were.

I understand you don't like how I made you feel with the story, but Harem Hotel was never all about fluffy lighthearted content. This game covers serious topics.

 

[1reaper1]

There are no such people with those skills that have a bone to pick with Maria.

Of course he's not happy when it's done, when it was done was when she got treated lower than dirt, nobody but pro-slave people would be happy about that.

Embarrassing people or making them miserable is on a totally different level from ruining their entire life by getting them enslaved. She has a mean streak, but she's not so sadistic that she would go against the entire hotel and start supporting the slave trade.

No, it isn't lazy bullshit, lazy bullshit would be not showing this at all and then suddenly having the MC pissed off for no good reason. No, this is called cause and effect, Maria's treatment led to the MC getting pissed, not to mention a few players, and that will in turn lead to action at some point down the road. For every cause, there is an effect, and this was the cause for which we will be seeing a major effect. Had this gone any differently, it would affect the things to come as well on a large scale. As I said before, Maria going alone and Maria going with the MC are exactly the same, we just don't see it happen if she goes alone, that's the only difference. She still would have gotten enslaved, she still would gotten treated as less than dirt, and the MC would still do exactly as he did before and after. Nothing changes in this case except being able to see it. We also have a third option, keep things as they are, it's much better on screen then off and having her kidnapped changes the target of the MC's rage, that's not what Runey was going for, he was most definitely going for something to trigger the MC raging against the slave trade and its supporters, especially including Cornwall.

There are many factors that all hinged on Maria going to that hospital and getting enslaved in the process, it isn't bullshit, it's the way things are. An effect demands an equivalent level cause and that is exactly what we got. It sounds less like there's actually a problem and more like a personal issue, for which I have one thing to say, not every game is for everyone and not every part of every game is for everyone. If you don't like it, this isn't "Lessons in Love," it isn't like there's going to be a test on what happens in that event later, so you could just skip through it and focus on the parts you do like.

its extremely lazy bs if you really think there are no other ways. if you really think there are no other ways to go about it you are just refusing to put in the effort to think of other ways to get the story done. if maria goes at it alone and learning a lesson to just trust the people who actually know whats going on or the mc going with her yes he can be annoyed in both options. in one of the 2 scenarios she learns something and in the other one she gets supported in her actions basically making the mc responsible for maria turning into a slave as he okayed what was going on. though if the mc just opened his mouth and told her she might be half elf (something which the possibility was rather large and clearly visible with the info given to the mc) would have made maria change her mind simple as that. it makes the mc feel unrealistic tbh. the pieces where all there yet he did nothing but support her. even weirder is that he did not pick up on hannah either while she basically told him she was half elf at the food joint. the kidnap plot would fit the world of the game and the rage would still be with the slave market owner (who i cant be bothered to remember his name) the rage was according to the game not as much with the hospital as with the slave market itself as he did nothing for half elves and only for elves. the only rage the story throws at the hospital is for starting the training as soon as the mc is thrown out of the hospital. the story hinges on marias enslavement ? have yet to see any evidence of that as after her enslavement she just returns to the bar as if nothing happens. even if it hinged on her getting enslaved there are millions of ways to do that with the same effect worse or far less. its not as if maria is hiding that she might be half elf even if she does not know herself. even if nothing is said its quite easy to determine that the possibility of her being half is rather large. for example the slow learning the purple eyes and being dumped at a orphanage which has already been said in story that it would be easy enough to clip the ears and dump them so they might lead a normal life. way to easy to pick out the half elf in her. not thinking about other possible options is lazy. as i said before i would have loved to just let her go on her own and make her own mistakes. not like getting a cold shoulder would be anything new for her

 

[1reaper1]

Can you point out every time MC has said "No, you cannot go."? Because unless I've forgotten something, MC has only been supportive to Maria. Maybe you didn't want her to go, but MC never said it was a bad idea. Maria just wants to find out who her parents are, and MC has been fine with that.

The only person who discouraged her and wanted her to not go was Hana. She knew what might happen, but she gave no solid reason. So why wouldn't Maria want to find her parents? Seriously, what is wrong with that? She's an orphan, there's nothing wrong with trying to find out who your parents were.

I understand you don't like how I made you feel with the story, but Harem Hotel was never all about fluffy lighthearted content. This game covers serious topics.

would that not be the first time she mentiones to hanna and mc that she wants to do it? if i believe the mc could either tell her it was a good idea and she should do it or it sounds like a bad idea DON'T DO IT and then again the day before the hospital maria tells mc that she is going to do it and again you have the option of telling her no its a bad idea at least that was what i saw in the last update.

 

[Runey]

first of all medical data is kept out of reach of your average person a hacker could easily get through to all your medical data as has already happened plenty of times in the past.

even if the main character did choose to give up and support her he really would not be that happy for her when its done. he would still instinctively be in the emotional mindset of protecting her and being against what she is doing thats not going to change if you go that way. you can be against something and still support people who do it that does not mean you are so overly happy as the main character is in this game when it happens. the main character really reacts without the emotions he should have. yes he would probably be happy for her but what is shown in game is extreme.

about the droid have you missed the part where she became hostile against basically everyone after she got her "fix" ? if you go to the school with her you can clearly see that she enjoys making people embarrassed/miserable by exposing their videos/bodies not to mention that she actively turns maria into a sex slave for her own pleasure. over the game the droid has become more and more distant as she basically gets bored with being better than others for things being so easy etc. it would be quite easy to see her going rogue. for an example just look at the droid taking control without order or permission of another droid and causing plenty of trouble even after the main character orders her to stop she does not.


as for there is no other way. thats just lazy bullshit. there is always another way. you just need to want it. personally i would be fine with maria going without the main character or behind their backs and you hearing what happened from a 3rd source as it would teach maria a lesson about listening to people who clearly know things better than her. i mean her best friend hannah went through it and basically tells maria that there is the option to become completely miserable afterwards like she did and still she does not listen and goes along with it. give us the option to let her go alone or lets throw it in a completely different way maria gets kidnapped because someone already knows about why she was dropped at the orphanage and uses that info against her/the main character to extort you or something. it will keep the same punch you say you need (honestly ? its was rather predictable that it would happen) and it might even liven up her story a bit. there are always plenty of options a game/story is never perfect it can always be better. so yeah that there is no other way is just bullshit magnitude 9. personally i really don't care about maria her bland predictable story for me its the infighting between the clones and our knife wielding youngling. or ninas story. actively killing humans to free some elves

But... the main character has always supported Maria in this. What was apprehensive about Maria's reasons for finding her parents, but not about finding her parents. "Don't let who your parents were decide who you are. You're your own person." not "DON'T LOOK FOR YOUR PARENTS WTF?". Why shouldn't an orphan girl find her parents?

Android wasn't hostile in that event. She was being maliciously childish. Just having fun without thinking of the consequences. MC and Kali set her straight and she realized what she did.
I also have no idea where you're getiting "Over time the android becomes more distant and bored with being better than others." This has literally never happened and not something I'm attempting to write at all. She can be maliciously childish when she wants to have fun, especially relative to what we know because her limits aren't ours. It's Kali's and MC's job to correct Android's course.

i would be fine with maria going without the main character or behind their backs and you hearing what happened from a 3rd source as it would teach maria a lesson about listening to people who clearly know things better than her.

Really? It would teach Maria a lesson to get enslaved for not listening to us? THAT is your better idea of a better story?

Yes, there could be other reasons I could write it. But personally, I'm not interested in making my story worse.

 

[rambo455]

would that not be the first time she mentiones to hanna and mc that she wants to do it? if i believe the mc could either tell her it was a good idea and she should do it or it sounds like a bad idea DON'T DO IT and then again the day before the hospital maria tells mc that she is going to do it and again you have the option of telling her no its a bad idea at least that was what i saw in the last update.

your forgetting even in the hospital when she gets nervous the main character tells her she can always turn back. but yeah basically what they said. with hannah you can tell her no and the day before you can tell her its a bad idea. i only did till update 12 so unless you changed something those would be the 2 times

 

[Runey]

would that not be the first time she mentiones to hanna and mc that she wants to do it? if i believe the mc could either tell her it was a good idea and she should do it or it sounds like a bad idea DON'T DO IT and then again the day before the hospital maria tells mc that she is going to do it and again you have the option of telling her no its a bad idea at least that was what i saw in the last update.

No, I'm not sure what you're thinking of, but when Maria and Hana come up to you and say Maria is going to get a test, there was never an option to say no. Because why would there be? You have no idea what could happen, she's just looking for her parents.

your forgetting even in the hospital when she gets nervous the main character tells her she can always turn back. but yeah basically what they said. with hannah you can tell her no and the day before you can tell her its a bad idea. i only did till update 12 so unless you changed something those would be the 2 times

The event before Maria announces she's going to the doctor is the one where Hana moves in. There was never an option for MC to say "It's a bad idea to find your parents." Because why would there be?

The discussion surrounding that previously has been "If knowing your parents is important." or "If your past decides who you are." MC has ensured Maria that no matter what happens, it does not need to change her. He has never insisted that it's a bad idea to find them, as this line from MC perfectly captures during the doctor test event

MC "Of course I'll help you find your parents, but are you sure you want to know?"

 

[1reaper1]

But... the main character has always supported Maria in this. What was apprehensive about Maria's reasons for finding her parents, but not about finding her parents. "Don't let who your parents were decide who you are. You're your own person." not "DON'T LOOK FOR YOUR PARENTS WTF?". Why shouldn't an orphan girl find her parents?

Android wasn't hostile in that event. She was being maliciously childish. Just having fun without thinking of the consequences. MC and Kali set her straight and she realized what she did.
I also have no idea where you're getiting "Over time the android becomes more distant and bored with being better than others." This has literally never happened and not something I'm attempting to write at all. She can be maliciously childish when she wants to have fun, especially relative to what we know because her limits aren't ours. It's Kali's and MC's job to correct Android's course.


Really? It would teach Maria a lesson to get enslaved for not listening to us? THAT is your better idea of a better story?

Yes, there could be other reasons I could write it. But personally, I'm not interested in making my story worse.

you may not intend to write the android as hostile but after her errors where corrected she was. a the party she was fighting elves aka hostile (though the elve did not help). yes marias story would be better and more interesting when she learned a lesson there. listen to the people who know as the world is a terrible place. as far as marias story goes now sell her body on the internet get a job fuck around thats it. not really all that interesting

 

[Deleted member 4113116]

Wow all these arguments here, nice

 

[rambo455]

No, I'm not sure what you're thinking of, but when Maria and Hana come up to you and say Maria is going to get a test, there was never an option to say no. Because why would there be? You have no idea what could happen, she's just looking for her parents.



The event before Maria announces she's going to the doctor is the one where Hana moves in. There was never an option for MC to say "It's a bad idea to find your parents." Because why would there be?

The discussion surrounding that previously has been "If knowing your parents is important." or "If your past decides who you are."

its literally the day before they go to the hospital where hannah comes to you with maria to try and get your help to talk maria out of it. there is an option to say its a bad idea and an option to just go with it. same with hannah and maria in her room you can tell her its a bad decision due to hannah her concern

 

[Uthuriel]

Wow all these arguments here, nice

That's good though...
It shows that Runey did a good job.

 

[Runey]

you may not intend to write the android as hostile but after her errors where corrected she was. a the party she was fighting elves aka hostile (though the elve did not help). yes marias story would be better and more interesting when she learned a lesson there. listen to the people who know as the world is a terrible place. as far as marias story goes now sell her body on the internet get a job fuck around thats it. not really all that interesting

She was having fun, she was not being hostile. Her actions were bad, yes, but her intentions were not. That's why MC and Kali set her straight instead of disabled her.

Not sure what you mean about fighting elves.

No. I am not going to make Maria's story involve MC selling her body.

 

[sutiban]

It's almost like Runey wants to make the game his way and people for some reason don't like that...

 

[Runey]

its literally the day before they go to the hospital where hannah comes to you with maria to try and get your help to talk maria out of it. there is an option to say its a bad idea and an option to just go with it. same with hannah and maria in her room you can tell her its a bad decision due to hannah her concern

No there isn't, there never has been. I am looking at the code right now, there is not an option to say it's a bad idea, because why would there be?

MC wants to help Maria find her parents during the event where they go to the doctor. Right before that, Hana moves in and there is no mention of finding her parents. They went to a museum.

 

[1reaper1]

She was having fun, she was not being hostile. Her actions were bad, yes, but her intentions were not. That's why MC and Kali set her straight instead of disabled her.

Not sure what you mean about fighting elves.

No. I am not going to make Maria's story involve MC selling her body.

that was her having fun ? she was basically completely reset after the corrections where undone in her code she did not even know what was going on until kali told her.

kalis dads party revealing the elf bot model. the android takes over another droid and gets into a fight with that gray elf that does not speak english.

the mc does not have to sell her body maria has done that already with her cam shows

 

[Runey]

that was her having fun ? she was basically completely reset after the corrections where undone in her code she did not even know what was going on until kali told her.

kalis dads party revealing the elf bot model. the android takes over another droid and gets into a fight with that gray elf that does not speak english.

the mc does not have to sell her body maria has done that already with her cam shows

Yes, that was her having fun. Is it good? No. That's why it was corrected.
No, she was not reset. She was unlocked, she's able to do more now.

 

[Deleted member 4113116]

That's good though...
It shows that Runey did a good job.

Yeah I think so too, a pretty damn nice story in this game

 

[rambo455]

No there isn't, there never has been. I am looking at the code right now, there is not an option to say it's a bad idea, because why would there be?

MC wants to help Maria find her parents during the event where they go to the doctor. Right before that, Hana moves in and there is no mention of finding her parents. They went to a museum.

because its logical. hannah already done it and is showing extreme concern about maria even thinking about it with all the info about half elves we know the risk is available and of course the mc is going to show concern about the same thing possible happening to maria. even if you only take in account marias eyes they have the color of elven blood in her body. she knows nothing about her parents so on the one hand a possibly extremely large change to be half elf and enslaved for eternity if it goes bad or knowing something about the people that most likely dumped you in the orphanage would you take the odds ? the option to doubt and be concerned is rather warranted and logical