VN Ren'Py Harem Hotel [v0.18.2] [Runey]

[TheDevian]

Anal first? What kind of horizon are you looking at?

It's far more common than you might think. Been with girls like that in high school myself.

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[alex2011]

The concept of a Harem seems certainly like the BEST thing since sliced bread. Whoever "invented" the harem concept, MUST get Nobel Prize for Sexuality. Is this game a reasonable harem-type game also? Would anybody actually recommend this game to a total newbie? Is it any good to get a person started in the VN world ;-)

Without hesitation, yes, I would recommend this game.

It's far more common than you might think. Been with girls like that in high school myself.

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Ah yes, the loophole, which was exactly what I was alluding to earlier.

 

[freedom.call]

It's far more common than you might think. Been with girls like that in high school myself.

I guess I just don't have an anal horizon nearby. Oh and I hate the thinking emoji because I don't know what you're thinking! So I gave one back.

 

[TheDevian]

I guess I just don't have an anal horizon nearby. Oh and I hate the thinking emoji because I don't know what you're thinking! So I gave one back.

At this time of day, I rarely know myself.

 

[freedom.call]

The concept of a Harem seems certainly like the BEST thing since sliced bread. Whoever "invented" the harem concept, MUST get Nobel Prize for Sexuality. Is this game a reasonable harem-type game also? Would anybody actually recommend this game to a total newbie? Is it any good to get a person started in the VN world ;-)

It's a great game, and if you choose to try we're here to help if need be.

 

[Segnbora]

BDSM is actually a form of trust, respect, and love you need ultimate trust that you're partner isn't going to do anything dangerous to harm you.

Yes, I know. I live it in real life.

I can invent reasons for many of the characters. But not Android. Not right now. Earlier or later, yes. But right now, she shouldn't be available. In fact, she should be hostile.

I don't feel like there needs to be any level of justification for ones kinks.

Respectfully, I disagree to an extent. On a personal level: no there don't have to be. Kinks are personal. But this is a public story and a cohesive narrative. I know why Lin, Emma, Felicity, and most of the other tenants are into BDSM. But when the overarching story is ripping the slavery narrative to shreds, and many of the core characters are directly affected by/involved in this narrative, doubt and hesitation would be much more realistic. I know you believe that, because you've done it: taking characters out of various optional situations (sleep with, dungeon, alarm, etc.) when their story at the moment didn't allow it.

I really think that Maria should've held back longer. Android shouldn't be available at all. Even Lin should've had a few brief moments of doubt; be able to call her to the dungeon, but then a scene in which she challenges the MC as to why she's there.

I fully agree that it's great if we eventually end up accepting the residents' kinks, no matter how wild, as their kinks. Again, that's my real-life experience as well. But you're not writing realism; you're writing an entirely constructed reality. To me, that means you're responsible for all elements of tha reality, and that includes demonstrating why Android would still be into BDSM.

Such as Kali having a rape fantasy, but obviously she doesn't want to be raped.

Right, but of course that's one of the most delicate fantasy/reality challenges right there. I think you got it right, but I also think many things are changing for the tenants. What feels fun and transgressive at stat level X might feel oppressive and patriarchal at stat level Y, and the characters would be right to feel like that.

I think you usually reflect this in your main story. My suggestion is that it's not always reflected in dungeon availability. It could even be selective: character Z is up for everything before she's abducted, but only available for 50% of everything after her abduction. You already do stat gates on dungeon activities, or at least it seems like you do, so this would be easy to reinstate. After her arrest, Maria is unavailable for a lot. It might be completely reasonable for her to be willing to go to the dungeon, but be unwilling to do certain things down there, for a while, until you've rebuilt her trust.

 

[flynn0426]

There are patch notes for every single version. All you need to do is read them. Or visit the wiki.

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Is this game ever going to get finished before I need a cane and get a senior discount at Cracker Barrel, my guy?

 

[shadowtempered]

Is this game ever going to get finished before I need a cane and get a senior discount at Cracker Barrel, my guy?

God I hope not - then you can invite us to join you so we all get a discount.

 

[wolf557]

How start Kali LEVEL 35 EVENT?
I got info like Kali level 35 event
time : any location : lobby

But nothing happen when im go to lobby :-/

I'm having the same issue. I've waited several days and nothing has happened...

 

[alex2011]

Yes, I know. I live it in real life.

I can invent reasons for many of the characters. But not Android. Not right now. Earlier or later, yes. But right now, she shouldn't be available. In fact, she should be hostile.


Respectfully, I disagree to an extent. On a personal level: no there don't have to be. Kinks are personal. But this is a public story and a cohesive narrative. I know why Lin, Emma, Felicity, and most of the other tenants are into BDSM. But when the overarching story is ripping the slavery narrative to shreds, and many of the core characters are directly affected by/involved in this narrative, doubt and hesitation would be much more realistic. I know you believe that, because you've done it: taking characters out of various optional situations (sleep with, dungeon, alarm, etc.) when their story at the moment didn't allow it.

I really think that Maria should've held back longer. Android shouldn't be available at all. Even Lin should've had a few brief moments of doubt; be able to call her to the dungeon, but then a scene in which she challenges the MC as to why she's there.

I fully agree that it's great if we eventually end up accepting the residents' kinks, no matter how wild, as their kinks. Again, that's my real-life experience as well. But you're not writing realism; you're writing an entirely constructed reality. To me, that means you're responsible for all elements of tha reality, and that includes demonstrating why Android would still be into BDSM.


Right, but of course that's one of the most delicate fantasy/reality challenges right there. I think you got it right, but I also think many things are changing for the tenants. What feels fun and transgressive at stat level X might feel oppressive and patriarchal at stat level Y, and the characters would be right to feel like that.

I think you usually reflect this in your main story. My suggestion is that it's not always reflected in dungeon availability. It could even be selective: character Z is up for everything before she's abducted, but only available for 50% of everything after her abduction. You already do stat gates on dungeon activities, or at least it seems like you do, so this would be easy to reinstate. After her arrest, Maria is unavailable for a lot. It might be completely reasonable for her to be willing to go to the dungeon, but be unwilling to do certain things down there, for a while, until you've rebuilt her trust.

I do have to disagree with your assessment of where the characters are at as far as willingness. Yes, there is a narrative connected to the slave trade, but all of the hotel tenants which can be called to the dungeon are in love with the MC, completely obedient to the MC, or both. Lin is an example of the former and would quite literally do anything for the MC, possibly including things that would put herself in real danger if he asked it of her. She trusts him implicitly that he will not let real harm come to her. The same can be said of Maria, especially after the hospital, and the twins. Android is one of the latter, while she is having a form of rebellious streak with what is going on, she is completely obedient to the MC otherwise, she would terminate her own functions if he ordered it, as drastic as that example is.

Is this game ever going to get finished before I need a cane and get a senior discount at Cracker Barrel, my guy?

That likely depends more on how close you are to getting to that point than it does how far the game is from complete. This is a very big game with plenty more story to go yet, so it will be a while.

God I hope not - then you can invite us to join you so we all get a discount.

Hey, I'm not complaining if I can get money off of something.

 

[Knight_of_the_lance]

Yes, I know. I live it in real life.

I can invent reasons for many of the characters. But not Android. Not right now. Earlier or later, yes. But right now, she shouldn't be available. In fact, she should be hostile.


Respectfully, I disagree to an extent. On a personal level: no there don't have to be. Kinks are personal. But this is a public story and a cohesive narrative. I know why Lin, Emma, Felicity, and most of the other tenants are into BDSM. But when the overarching story is ripping the slavery narrative to shreds, and many of the core characters are directly affected by/involved in this narrative, doubt and hesitation would be much more realistic. I know you believe that, because you've done it: taking characters out of various optional situations (sleep with, dungeon, alarm, etc.) when their story at the moment didn't allow it.

I really think that Maria should've held back longer. Android shouldn't be available at all. Even Lin should've had a few brief moments of doubt; be able to call her to the dungeon, but then a scene in which she challenges the MC as to why she's there.

I fully agree that it's great if we eventually end up accepting the residents' kinks, no matter how wild, as their kinks. Again, that's my real-life experience as well. But you're not writing realism; you're writing an entirely constructed reality. To me, that means you're responsible for all elements of tha reality, and that includes demonstrating why Android would still be into BDSM.


Right, but of course that's one of the most delicate fantasy/reality challenges right there. I think you got it right, but I also think many things are changing for the tenants. What feels fun and transgressive at stat level X might feel oppressive and patriarchal at stat level Y, and the characters would be right to feel like that.

I think you usually reflect this in your main story. My suggestion is that it's not always reflected in dungeon availability. It could even be selective: character Z is up for everything before she's abducted, but only available for 50% of everything after her abduction. You already do stat gates on dungeon activities, or at least it seems like you do, so this would be easy to reinstate. After her arrest, Maria is unavailable for a lot. It might be completely reasonable for her to be willing to go to the dungeon, but be unwilling to do certain things down there, for a while, until you've rebuilt her trust.

To me it feels like you want the Dungeon to be reriten in it's own side story accompagning the main story? It seams to me like a big hurdle and quite a lot of work. Worth asking oneself if it would be worth it for a side activity that is mostly there for the player. But I have seen Runey do some work that I would have thought could not be done. So I will say that it is an interesting proposition worth debating and exploring. I don't know what would come out of such a discution, but I look forward to it.

Personaly I would enjoy more dialog and interaction around the dungeon. At least small discution about how far the characters are willing to go when you unlock some interactions. I must admit I was suprised the first time when I saw water sport options. I was not expecting it.

 

[TheDevian]

Personaly I would enjoy more dialog and interaction around the dungeon. At least small discution about how far the characters are willing to go when you unlock some interactions. I must admit I was suprtised the first time when I saw water sport options. I was not expecting it.

Yeah, you don't see it too often in games, but it is very common in humiliation and exhibitionism porn/comics, and as long as I don't have to get it on me/drink it, it can be fun. lol

As long as it is optional, I wouldn't mind seeing a bit more, like taking the pets to the park for walkies, or more dungeon punishments. That is the only thing I don't like about Maria's new one, used to be optional, though the way it was before doesn't really work any more, since I guess she isn't allowed to have her own money and what not, or whatever. That said, she could still ask if he wants to see, IDK. While I don't have an issue with it, I know a lot of people are not fond.

I never thought I would say it, but sometimes it almost seems like they are too obedient down there, after all, the punishments are a big part of the fun, and it is not as if they are being truly 'disobedient', they are just too turned on too control themselves, and that is really hot.

 

[Uthuriel]

Yeah, you don't see it too often in games, but it is very common in humiliation and exhibitionism porn/comics, and as long as I don't have to get it on me/drink it, it can be fun. lol

As long as it is optional, I wouldn't mind see a bit more, like taking the pets to the park for walkies, or more dungeon punishments. That is the only thing I don't like about Maria's new one, used to be optional, though the way it was before doesn't really work any more, since I guess she isn't allowed to have her own money and what not, or whatever. That said, she could still ask if he wants to see, IDK. While I don't have an issue with it, I know a lot of people are not fond.

I never thought I would say it, but sometimes it almost seems like they are too obedient down there, after all, the punishments are a big part of the fun, and it is not as if they are being truly 'disobedient', they are just too turned on too control themselves, and that is really hot.

That one way of seeing it...

I personally would have no problems with it if Runey would remove the dungeon or the exhibition stuff entirely as they don't cater to my likes.
So them being optional content that is only partly connected to the main story is no problem for me.

 

[TheDevian]

That one way of seeing it...

I personally would have no problems with it if Runey would remove the dungeon or the exhibition stuff entirely as they don't cater to my likes.
So them being optional content that is only partly connected to the main story is no problem for me.

I get that, but for me, it's the opposite, that is what brought me here in the first place. Those are generally the only scenes that 'do it' for me. Now that I am here, I would happily play this game purely for the story, but as far as the porn side goes, most of the basic stuff I just do for the points. Some, I won't even do for that, since rather than just not being that exciting to me, it's a turn off, like the femdom stuff, I really dislike being 'pushed around', it doesn't just not turn me on, it upsets me, so I avoid it. What can I say, the older I get, the less I like being told what to do. lol

Which is why I am a firm believer in making pretty much all sex stuff optional, not everyone enjoys all content.

 

[Segnbora]

completely obedient to the MC

Why, though? Again, I can easily see this with, say, Felicity. But why, given what she's learned and how she's developed, is Android? Lin? The story doesn't justify "complete obedience."

I'm very much in favor of the kink and the mechanism, but it would add a lot of complexity to make the MC work for it once everyone is fully immersed in the "slavery is bad" narrative. It doesn't ruin the game or anything, but Runey's very good about layering motivations over existing structures. A Lin who's just seen that much of her history was a lie might not be into super-harsh BDSM for a while. A bunch of characters have already removed themselves from the dungeon (or even dating) when various crises occurred. It's baked into Runey's characterization: trauma means less/no crazy sexy fun time. A character who's been broken/humiliated by the system probably wouldn't be open to both in the dungeon.

I was once in a BDSM-rich relationship with a black woman. There was always — always — a delicate balance and a careful path to navigate. Because I couldn't just bring out the (whatever) and start in. She was very much into those things, but there was a very significant historical and cultural threshold that needed to be dealt with and discussed before she'd agree to, say, the belt. The deep narrative conficts in Harem Hotel are pretty much the same: slavery versus freedom. I can't just start flogging someone whose ancestors were slaves, even if she's into it. The MC can't just start flogging NPCs who are slaves, even if they're into it. It's fine as a "nothing's wrong here" gameplay element in the beginning, but once it becomes the core narrative, it has to be faced and addressed and (if the kink's going to continue) justified. That's all I'm saying.

To me it feels like you want the Dungeon to be reriten in it's own side story accompagning the main story?

No, but the dungeon is always optional — there are few significant story beats that require the dungeon — and, at the moment, it's a somewhat mindless diversion. NPCs disappear from dungeon availability at points, and then reappear (ssve for Lin's sister), but no one discusses why they're there or what they do. Runey's been excellent at justifying, say, beach exhibitionism/sex, café (the same), etc. But there are, in the story, legitimate reasons why NPCs might not want to be whipped or drink...well, you know...but might still be into being tied up and vibed. Since he's always adding layers, I think adding layers to the dungeon would be worthwhile. Make me (the player) work to get Maria back to the point where she'll do anything. It can be just another story progression stat point, but it makes a whole lot of sense that not every girl would be up for everything all the time, especially given the overarching story.

 

[alex2011]

To me it feels like you want the Dungeon to be reriten in it's own side story accompagning the main story? It seams to me like a big hurdle and quite a lot of work. Worth asking oneself if it would be worth it for a side activity that is mostly there for the player. But I have seen Runey do some work that I would have thought could not be done. So I will say that it is an interesting proposition worth debating and exploring. I don't know what would come out of such a discution, but I look forward to it.

Personaly I would enjoy more dialog and interaction around the dungeon. At least small discution about how far the characters are willing to go when you unlock some interactions. I must admit I was suprised the first time when I saw water sport options. I was not expecting it.

It seems like it is because it actually would be a lot to get done.

Yeah, you don't see it too often in games, but it is very common in humiliation and exhibitionism porn/comics, and as long as I don't have to get it on me/drink it, it can be fun. lol

As long as it is optional, I wouldn't mind seeing a bit more, like taking the pets to the park for walkies, or more dungeon punishments. That is the only thing I don't like about Maria's new one, used to be optional, though the way it was before doesn't really work any more, since I guess she isn't allowed to have her own money and what not, or whatever. That said, she could still ask if he wants to see, IDK. While I don't have an issue with it, I know a lot of people are not fond.

I never thought I would say it, but sometimes it almost seems like they are too obedient down there, after all, the punishments are a big part of the fun, and it is not as if they are being truly 'disobedient', they are just too turned on too control themselves, and that is really hot.

I love the idea of taking them for a walk like that, they are at a point where they would probably be willing, too. At least most of them are.

That one way of seeing it...

I personally would have no problems with it if Runey would remove the dungeon or the exhibition stuff entirely as they don't cater to my likes.
So them being optional content that is only partly connected to the main story is no problem for me.

Same, except exhibitionism is one of my favorite content types.

Why, though? Again, I can easily see this with, say, Felicity. But why, given what she's learned and how she's developed, is Android? Lin? The story doesn't justify "complete obedience."

I'm very much in favor of the kink and the mechanism, but it would add a lot of complexity to make the MC work for it once everyone is fully immersed in the "slavery is bad" narrative. It doesn't ruin the game or anything, but Runey's very good about layering motivations over existing structures. A Lin who's just seen that much of her history was a lie might not be into super-harsh BDSM for a while. A bunch of characters have already removed themselves from the dungeon (or even dating) when various crises occurred. It's baked into Runey's characterization: trauma means less/no crazy sexy fun time. A character who's been broken/humiliated by the system probably wouldn't be open to both in the dungeon.

I was once in a BDSM-rich relationship with a black woman. There was always — always — a delicate balance and a careful path to navigate. Because I couldn't just bring out the (whatever) and start in. She was very much into those things, but there was a very significant historical and cultural threshold that needed to be dealt with and discussed before she'd agree to, say, the belt. The deep narrative conficts in Harem Hotel are pretty much the same: slavery versus freedom. I can't just start flogging someone whose ancestors were slaves, even if she's into it. The MC can't just start flogging NPCs who are slaves, even if they're into it. It's fine as a "nothing's wrong here" gameplay element in the beginning, but once it becomes the core narrative, it has to be faced and addressed and (if the kink's going to continue) justified. That's all I'm saying.


No, but the dungeon is always optional — there are few significant story beats that require the dungeon — and, at the moment, it's a somewhat mindless diversion. NPCs disappear from dungeon availability at points, and then reappear (ssve for Lin's sister), but no one discusses why they're there or what they do. Runey's been excellent at justifying, say, beach exhibitionism/sex, café (the same), etc. But there are, in the story, legitimate reasons why NPCs might not want to be whipped or drink...well, you know...but might still be into being tied up and vibed. Since he's always adding layers, I think adding layers to the dungeon would be worthwhile. Make me (the player) work to get Maria back to the point where she'll do anything. It can be just another story progression stat point, but it makes a whole lot of sense that not every girl would be up for everything all the time, especially given the overarching story.

Because she was programmed to be completely obedient to her registered master, which happens to be the MC. She's got some glitches in her programming, but that's all they are, her programming still makes the MC her master. Lin has fallen into a deep state of infatuation for the MC because he doesn't treat her like what she is, a slave. She trusts the MC completely because he doesn't treat her poorly and gave herself entirely to him.

I have to disagree on the flogging thing as well, if the person asks for it, there is no reason to not oblige them. If Lin wants to be spanked, flogged, whatever, I'm not about to say no. Where I draw the line there, and this is abnormal for me with games because they are games, is when they very clearly don't want it, even if they are asking just to appease my MC and not because they genuinely want it. There are no characters like that in Harem Hotel if you don't take the slave routes in the sanctuary, which I did not.

 

[Segnbora]

It seems like it is because it actually would be a lot to get done.

That's never stopped Runey before.

Because she was programmed to be completely obedient to her registered master

Well, that programming's been undone. Self-undone and otherwise undone. She's who she wants to be, now.

I have to disagree on the flogging thing as well, if the person asks for it, there is no reason to not oblige them.

You're not understanding. If the NPCs want these things, then great. I'm asking why they want these things? Because most of the characters have changed, rather dramatically, over the course of the story. The Lin who just wanted to make the MC a decent pizza is very, very different from the Lin who wants to help lead an active rebellion against society. Those very different characters might have different relationships to BDSM.

Felicity is a hardcore submissive. Android was only ever programmed to be one, and her programming is no longer what it was. She would benefit from a fresh justification for desiring infliction. Maria and Lin would, as well. Kali's always been Kali (I still hold out hope that she'll eventually be the Big Bad of the story), Emma's in it for the play, and Ashey's Ashley. The others aren't.

 

[alex2011]

That's never stopped Runey before.


Well, that programming's been undone. Self-undone and otherwise undone. She's who she wants to be, now.


You're not understanding. If the NPCs want these things, then great. I'm asking why they want these things? Because most of the characters have changed, rather dramatically, over the course of the story. The Lin who just wanted to make the MC a decent pizza is very, very different from the Lin who wants to help lead an active rebellion against society. Those very different characters might have different relationships to BDSM.

Felicity is a hardcore submissive. Android was only ever programmed to be one, and her programming is no longer what it was. She would benefit from a fresh justification for desiring infliction. Maria and Lin would, as well. Kali's always been Kali (I still hold out hope that she'll eventually be the Big Bad of the story), Emma's in it for the play, and Ashey's Ashley. The others aren't.

I didn't say it has stopped Runey, I was just saying it would be a lot of work.

Not exactly, she has bugs in her programming, she always has had bugs, that's why she has a red eye. Part of the story was about fixing that code and it almost led to 'killing' her, single quotes because it technically isn't death, just shutting down a machine.

They want them because they want to please the MC. There have been changes, but not to who they are. They are still in ove with him and still trust him enough not to hurt them even in a BDSM situation, where going too far is not impossible even with the best intentions. Lin wants the MC to be happy, she has since she figured out he wasn't another bad human and fell for him, that hasn't changed. Even with that part of her, she is her own person with her own goals and she also want to see her race free of its, quite literal, shackles. That last part is true of every Elf in the hotel. She isn't a one dimensional character, thankfully, there are many sides to her, some that we may have not seen yet.

I highly doubt that a hotel tenant is going to be the ultimate big bad of the story, maybe it will be family of one like Kali's dad, even though he blatantly helped us to build the sanctuary, or Autumn's.

 

[Segnbora]

I didn't say it has stopped Runey, I was just saying it would be a lot of work.

This whole story is a lot of work. Tons of core story, tons of side story, tons of bonus content. Again, it wouldn't stop Runey, if he thought it enhanced the game.

They want them because they want to please the MC.

Yes, but by the time we've reached they also want other things. Sometimes contradictory things. NPCs have shut him out, stopped dating him, stopped being available for the dungeon, and every point in-between. BDSM as a binary switch — yes/no — is very unusual for this story. "I love being kinky but I'll no longer humiliate myself" would be a very realistic thing for one of the more narratively tormented NPCs to say. And whether or not that sticks — whether or not the NPC decides she actually did like the more humiliating kinks — would also be narratively interesting.

They are still in ove with him and still trust him enough not to hurt them even in a BDSM situation

Why, though? I mean, it's easily justifiable and entirely reasonable. But why has Maria's trust never really wavered, save for a few days of isolation? Android's? Given what she's seen since, the MC put Lin in a very dangerous situation with that slave competition.

Complexity is welcome, and this story is very complex when it comes to characterization. Maria might never want to be bound again, considering what happened to her. Android might never want to have control taken away from her (or she might specifically want it, given that she's strong enough to break out of it). Lin might reject anything that makes her subservient, or she might actively seek subservience knowing that she's become the MC's equal in real life. These are all ways to make events and characters more complex and more nuanced. "Yes/no" w/r/t BDSM in its entirety isn't that complex.

Yes, it'd be a pain to retro-code. But Runey's done that as well. And the future offers a lot of potential.

I highly doubt that a hotel tenant is going to be the ultimate big bad of the story

Sure, and I do as well, but it'd be so very powerful.

 

[TheDevian]

Not exactly, she has bugs in her programming, she always has had bugs, that's why she has a red eye. Part of the story was about fixing that code and it almost led to 'killing' her, single quotes because it technically isn't death, just shutting down a machine.

Her 'bugs' are what makes her 'her', fixing them would revert her to 'default', where she would be just like any other android. She would still exist, but she would no longer be 'her' any more.

I love the idea of taking them for a walk like that, they are at a point where they would probably be willing, too. At least most of them are.

The twins already have a similar scene, with the pet outfit photoshoot, and they were asking for more, so talking them for a walk, making them 'water some plants', plowing them doggie style, etc... seems like the next logical step.

Hard to say who else might get off on it... It would certainly be fun in the slave routes for example for the elves. Even if Lin might enjoy it, it seems counter productive to her plot. It seems silly, but maybe some attachment for Android, or All1e later, some remnants of the dog body? lol. Kali certainly gets off on being exposed and humiliated. I can't wait to see how far Vanessa is willing to go. I still say Maria is an option, though I don't want to get into debating that can of worms again. Ashley would pretty much do anything if she thought it would make the MC happy. Autumn is a ways off from something like that, I think, but I can see her in the dungeon before too long, it really fits the theme they have of penance and guilt, just like the Catholics, maybe more so.