DigDug69

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There are probably people who would be fine with either.
I'm not sure who they would be, and it is none of my business.
 
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So.. it's been almost a month since the last Patreon post. I don't want to be that guy but I am very curious how development has been going.
 

Gojii

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I mean when you're like me who seriously checks the game out for the first time and see its been in development for like... five years? Idk man... even at the extreme low end if every sub was only doing $1 they're pulling over 5k a month...(and its clearly a lot more than that) the output doesn't add up. :WaitWhat:

Looks decent for a HS1/PH type graphics but sure has that kind of vibe going on here...

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I mean when you're like me who seriously checks the game out for the first time and see its been in development for like... five years? Idk man... even at the extreme low end if every sub was only doing $1 they're pulling over 5k a month...(and its clearly a lot more than that) the output doesn't add up. :WaitWhat:

Looks decent for a HS1/PH type graphics but sure has that kind of vibe going on here...

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Are we going there again?!
Well, just for the fuckingst I-don't-know-time:
  1. You like it, you can give Runey some money. Nobody force you to do that.
  2. This game is free. That means that everyone can play it after the full release.
  3. It his only source of income. Thus depending on where Runey lives in Europe 5 000 $ isn't that much.
  4. 5 years development with at least 3 big, chunky updates each years - update size alone reached 1 GB at the time I still have done the update patches.
So, what is your point here? That Runey earns more than 5 000 $ per month? Nice for him in my eyes. I earn 8 000 $ per month for a 8 to 5 job and still would like to have a little more and I'm not my own boss.
That 4 861 ones, including myself, give him some bucks? Again nice for him and even if I would disagree with Runey and his development, I can't do anything about the 4 860 other than myself and then we would be at the 1st point again.
 
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  1. You like it, you can give Runey some money. Nobody force you to do that.
  2. This game is free. That means that everyone can play it after the full release.
  3. It his only source of income. Thus depending on where Runey lives in Europe 5 000 $ isn't that much.
  4. 5 years development with at least 3 big, chunky updates each years - update size alone reached 1 GB at the time I still have done the update patches.
You forgot taxes. Everywhere will take a chunk of that "$5,000", and it is always going to be a significant amount also. Some countries a LOT more than others.

Honestly, whenever I see posts like that any more it just means they are jealous and maybe even have traits of entitlement that they aren't getting any of those monies. Esp as who are they really trying to talk to? The people here? I'd guess that most of us here are just leaches. I know I am one. I'll at least be honest about such. I say let people be when it isn't hurting anyone. They feel they are getting value? So be it. I mean really, look at the amount the "mega churches" get in "donations" in the USA. It is sickening because how do those "pastors" spend it? Private jets and other luxury items vs following what they should be doing and helping the community. (and yes, I'm stopping there as that would be going way to political to continue.)
 

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Are we going there again?!
Much of that last conversation was deleted because someone couldn't remain civil. Then either a mass report was done for anything else in the area or a mod decided to clean up anything else related, so much of it was removed.

Long term games seem to all run into this issue and since the game hasn't had an update for a while, it's HH's turn in the grinder. Based on other game threads here at f95, it's not against the rules, so this isn't going to stop anytime soon. Just hopefully it'll be handled more civilly this time though the instigator isn't off to a great start, again.
 

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Are we going there again?!
Well, just for the fuckingst I-don't-know-time:
  1. You like it, you can give Runey some money. Nobody force you to do that.
  2. This game is free. That means that everyone can play it after the full release.
  3. It his only source of income. Thus depending on where Runey lives in Europe 5 000 $ isn't that much.
  4. 5 years development with at least 3 big, chunky updates each years - update size alone reached 1 GB at the time I still have done the update patches.
So, what is your point here? That Runey earns more than 5 000 $ per month? Nice for him in my eyes. I earn 8 000 $ per month for a 8 to 5 job and still would like to have a little more and I'm not my own boss.
That 4 861 ones, including myself, give him some bucks? Again nice for him and even if I would disagree with Runey and his development, I can't do anything about the 4 860 other than myself and then we would be at the 1st point again.
As stated, first time taking a peek. That's why I'm doing :WaitWhat: instead of :KEK::KEK::KEK: for things like a few other games. Seemed odd a game has been going on for years and seems no end point in development.

If its free release I've got no beef with them really. As to "envy" angle? I just backed another new game dev literally yesterday. I like backing devs putting in effort, and even more so when they do early access (The best model for monetization imo). But a project that is half a decade and not done by default... seems a bit suspect, especially when pulling a solid check monthly, which is where it seemed weird to me. :unsure: Also 5k is the literal minimum, its likely double that or much higher considering the first step up is $5.

Idk why there's such an angry reaction asking about a project thats dragged on for half a decade that pulls in that. :LUL:Unironically was asking if the dev is milking or not. Not that deep. :HideThePain:
 
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Idk why there's such an angry reaction.
Because it doesn't add anything constructive at all.
Does Runey earn too much money for his work? Perhaps, perhaps not. Does Gianni Infantino too much money for his work? Almost certain, at least in my eyes.
Can I do something against any of those two? Almost certain not.
Does it makes the game better or worser if the dev, in this case earns more or less? Don't know and don't think so.

My questions would be and only if I want support a dev, does what the dev make is enough for myself that I spend my own money on him? Nothing more, nothing less. If I can answer this question positive and I can afford it, then he get some money from myself (sure, his supporting base is a part of the factors for me, but not the only one).
For most of the games here, that I don't support it is much more simple:
Does I like it? Yes/No
Does I like it enough to engage into a thread? Yes/No
Of course both can change over time.

Also from your own signature, I disagree. If you pirate a game you don't hurt the dev per se. You would only hurt him, if you do that over buying the game from him and I very much doubt that you support a lot of devs.
 
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DigDug69

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As stated, first time taking a peek. That's why I'm doing :WaitWhat: instead of :KEK::KEK::KEK: for things like a few other games. Seemed odd a game has been going on for years and seems no end point in development.

If its free release I've got no beef with them really. As to "envy" angle? I just backed another new game dev literally yesterday. I like backing devs putting in effort, and even more so when they do early access (The best model for monetization imo). But a project that is half a decade and not done by default... seems a bit suspect, especially when pulling a solid check monthly, which is where it seemed weird to me. :unsure: Also 5k is the literal minimum, its likely double that or much higher considering the first step up is $5.

Idk why there's such an angry reaction asking about a project thats dragged on for half a decade that pulls in that. :LUL:Unironically was asking if the dev is milking or not. Not that deep. :HideThePain:
This topic really needs to die, again.
Seriously, it has been discussed more than enough already.

This has been mentioned many times already, but here we go again.
The game is free to everyone, so if anyone chooses to support the dev, it is 100% their choice to do so, they are not being forced.
It is well known that this game has long periods between updates, and it has been like that for a very long time.
This year, the dev had to deal with a death in the family, that they had to deal with, and personal sickness, that left them unable to work on what is really, their hobby.
Their hobby, something that they work on, in their spare time, when their real life allows them to work on it.
And since the game is free to everyone, supporters can cancel at any time that they choose, and still get the game for free.
Anyone still supporting the dev, has chosen to do so of their own free will.
 

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As stated, first time taking a peek. That's why I'm doing :WaitWhat: instead of :KEK::KEK::KEK: for things like a few other games. Seemed odd a game has been going on for years and seems no end point in development.

If its free release I've got no beef with them really. As to "envy" angle? I just backed another new game dev literally yesterday. I like backing devs putting in effort, and even more so when they do early access (The best model for monetization imo). But a project that is half a decade and not done by default... seems a bit suspect, especially when pulling a solid check monthly, which is where it seemed weird to me. :unsure: Also 5k is the literal minimum, its likely double that or much higher considering the first step up is $5.

Idk why there's such an angry reaction asking about a project thats dragged on for half a decade that pulls in that. :LUL:Unironically was asking if the dev is milking or not. Not that deep. :HideThePain:
So weird to me whenever someone says that "the game has been in development for X time therefore it should be X close to finishing" or my personal favourite "game has been in development for X time and you cant have sex with this character?".
The length of development doesn't matter at all for the pacing of the story of the game.

"But a project that is half a decade and not done by default... seems a bit suspect" maybe for a multi dev team, or a shorter story.
 
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