Evil13

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She was in love with the former owner - she needs more than training - a reason to want to/accept it. She is willing to dick around with the MC thanks to Maria but for the most part it's entirely just for that - dicking around. To involve her in more is to have her accept wanting more from the MC that her former lover was giving her.
Well, not to mention that her former lover was the Manager's grandfather and Ellen certainly sees herself old enough to be his mother. Despite no blood connection, I can imagine it would certainly feel squicky enough for Ellen that she's cautious about developing any sort of relationship. A blowjob here or an after-work fucking there is fine, but beyond that, yeah, I can imagine it would get very weird for her very quickly.
 
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Well, not to mention that her former lover was the Manager's grandfather and Ellen certainly sees herself old enough to be his mother. Despite no blood connection, I can imagine it would certainly feel squicky enough for Ellen that she's cautious about developing any sort of relationship. A blowjob here or an after-work fucking there is fine, but beyond that, yeah, I can imagine it would get very weird for her very quickly.
Not really too old, Ellen scene with Lin in the hotspring, lin was saying that Ellen is more o less close at mc age
 
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Not really too old, Ellen scene with Lin in the hotspring, lin was saying that Ellen is more o less close at mc age
I suppose that it depends on how old she was during those flashbacks with his grandfather, and how long before "present day" they take place. Ellen looks a bit like she could be anywhere up to 10 years younger in the flashbacks to me, but I could be off.
 
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I suppose that it depends on how old she was during those flashbacks with his grandfather, and how long before "present day" they take place. Ellen looks a bit like she could be anywhere up to 10 years younger in the flashbacks to me, but I could be off.
I always took it that she was 10-15 years older hence the whole MILF look. She's definitely on the younger side in the flashbacks but I don't think there is ever a reference to if the MC was born / child at the time his grandfather has her working for him.

edit: Assuming the wiki is by Runey, I was vaguely correct. She's between 35-40
 

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She was in love with the former owner - she needs more than training - a reason to want to/accept it. She is willing to dick around with the MC thanks to Maria but for the most part it's entirely just for that - dicking around. To involve her in more is to have her accept wanting more from the MC that her former lover was giving her.
A couple things, first, if she is willing to suck his dick in the lobby, and have sex with him, she is willing to go further, it is just a matter of time. Speaking of time, how many years does it take? There was enough of a break between Grandpa dying and us arriving that they sold all of the other slaves, other than Lin, who was new at the time (quite a coincidence there), and now I have been at this hotel for nearly 3 years! We all need to move on eventually.

The other thing, is that she is clearly attracted to the MC, she has more than shown that, she felt the call of the Magic MC Dick, but it is always hard to transfer from one MC to another. But she is the first one you meet (unless you count that poor flight attendant from the new intro), and one of the last ones we fuck, so that is not an issue. If this were an anime, being the first one he meets in the game, would make her the OTP. :KEK:

And to be fair, if she feels weird about being our sub, she would just as likely feel weird about being our dom. Don't get me wrong, she would look hot as a dominatrix, but personally, I am old, I don't like being pushed around, I don't like being blackmailed, and generally hate being told what to do by someone acting like they are better than me, if anyone is going to be domming someone in this relationship, it will be me, not the other way around. If she wants to dom someone, she can play with the other girls too, she can help Lin in her position as head of the harem. :ROFLMAO:
 
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It's a small thing, but I appreciate that!

Yeah, genres have no real set definitions I think. It's all a blurry line and it often crosses with other genres. Like a "Dramedy" (Drama Comedy) which can be really hard to pull off. But it all helps with expectations. (you may also want to update the money making section? There's deliveries, and the bar gives you a ton of income, with more on the way!)
I have to ask Runey, out of sheer curiosity, was there a point where you just told yourself "This cannot be Earth with elf slaves dropped into it". I recall playing an early version where Autumn was the new addition and until then you couldn't say this wasn't just elves-on-Earth. The nation HH was never really mentioned. There was no hint that Autumn's religion wasn't a brand of tight Christianity (rather than the one the story has), and the human characters had nothing saying they weren't just citizens of the USA.

I guess I am asking is there a point where you said to yourself: "Dammit, I better world-build!"
 

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I have to ask Runey, out of sheer curiosity, was there a point where you just told yourself "This cannot be Earth with elf slaves dropped into it". I recall playing an early version where Autumn was the new addition and until then you couldn't say this wasn't just elves-on-Earth. The nation HH was never really mentioned. There was no hint that Autumn's religion wasn't a brand of tight Christianity (rather than the one the story has), and the human characters had nothing saying they weren't just citizens of the USA.

I guess I am asking is there a point where you said to yourself: "Dammit, I better world-build!"
Pretty much since the start, IIRC. Different country names and stuff since the beginning.
 
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I have to ask Runey, out of sheer curiosity, was there a point where you just told yourself "This cannot be Earth with elf slaves dropped into it". I recall playing an early version where Autumn was the new addition and until then you couldn't say this wasn't just elves-on-Earth. The nation HH was never really mentioned. There was no hint that Autumn's religion wasn't a brand of tight Christianity (rather than the one the story has), and the human characters had nothing saying they weren't just citizens of the USA.

I guess I am asking is there a point where you said to yourself: "Dammit, I better world-build!"
From the very start I knew I wanted to make this world the way it is, but I didn't want to lean into it at the start because I had no confidence. It would be pointless to build a world no one likes.

There still isn't a name for the planet, or many things, because it's all in progress and you're getting to see the world being built as I build it. At one point there was no reason to mention Gaianism (thus no name was given to it) because that wasn't the focus. It was Autumn's relationship with religion, or Lin's relationship with religion.
 

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And to be fair, if she feels weird about being our sub, she would just as likely feel weird about being our dom.
My point wasn't that she couldn't be it, it was that as she's currently written, she doesn't want it. She's laid specific rules down on what she wants from the MC and to date those haven't been broached in a manner to suggest she's willing to take things further. Of course anything can change and I'm not against that, I was only trying to comment on how things stand now.
 
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My point wasn't that she couldn't be it, it was that as she's currently written, she doesn't want it. She's laid specific rules down on what she wants from the MC and to date those haven't been broached in a manner to suggest she's willing to take things further. Of course anything can change and I'm not against that, I was only trying to comment on how things stand now.
Yeah, for now... But like I said, it's been almost 3 years (at least by our calendar, 1678148938304.png )... She can't hold out forever. XD
 
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With how most VN/games on this site are, I figured once she got a taste of the sauce we'd have to beat her off with a stick for some quiet and instead it's the opposite lol
Yup, and she is starting to get there, and worse than that, now she has to watch as we fuck Kali and Maria right in front of her and they have a nice chat. Kind of surprised that she has not started pleasuring herself to the show yet. XD
 
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