Ren'Py Harem Hotel [v0.19.1] [Runey]

[freedom.call]

What route currently has more content for the Elves? (Slave or Love)

Nia and Sylvia have the same in both iirc, Ann doesn't have anything.

 

[freedom.call]

but i dont have any data form teh mod in ym folder

If you haven't used a mod then I don't know.

 

[TheDevian]

More generally, I'm one of the many, many people who are inherently suspicious of, and usually dislike, sandboxes. But why do people hate sandboxes? Because of the endless and frustrating hunting around for the one event hidden among 21 possible locations. Even now, most devs — even sophisticated and experienced devs...like, say, NLT — do a remarkably poor job of gesturing and hinting, viz "go there tomorrow afternoon" or "Janet's at the store right now." Whereas in this game, with the exception of very early days, there's always something to do, and most of it is consequential (stat-building or a sex/BDSM scene). There are non-consequential scenes as well, but dropping by the pizza place to say hi to Kali is far, far better than clicking on the pizza place on a city map and finding it empty. After the story itself, it's my absolute favorite feature of this particular game.

I am in the camp of preferring sandbox style games, but I can admit there are some really badly done ones out there. That said though, the same can be said for any style game, many games are just not that well done. Like with anything, you have to wade though a lot of crap to find gems like this.

I do agree, that even if you tell people exactly what to do in the dialogue, you need a good hint system, and you need to make sure you always have something to do in every time slot (if you have time slots). Any time the player has nothing to do, you have a fundamental breakdown.

I've also noticed that there are some time slots during the early days that require players to skip time simply because they don't know what else to do, and I would like to fix this in some way. I may add some random events in there.

One thing I would consider, is to have more things to do in some locations, like more interactions in the hotspring, including letting him relax. Let him take a shower, let Ellen and other side people take showers in other time slots, if no one is using it, he can. Ellen could unlock some things early on to give him something to do. Hell, these could be combined...

The MC could be showering, and Ellen or Lin could come in. Early events, they just leave embarrassed, after some stat goes up, or maybe just after it happens a few times, they start watching him, getting turned on, then then they get naked and offer to wash his back working into a handjob or something, and finally they have sex or something else if you prefer. This could have different girls depending on which time slot or day, you could either schedule it, like you do for the girls in the morning, or more like the utility room, where you could just check to see who is not busy, then randomly pick someone to show up. Lin or Android could come in to clean, Ellen or the others could either be helping the maids or have gotten dirty doing something, and need to clean up, something like that...

He could buy gifts for the girls and give it to them to spend a slot.

The dates should help some, same with the lobby events, maybe if no one is there, we could invite someone to watch tv with us, call them down, if they are home. If it is Lin or Android, you could tell them to take a break with you, if they are working.

Another early event could be you help Lin or Android in the kitchen when they are working for a point, could have a similar one with Ellen, where the MC helps her with some task for some extra money maybe. That would be helpful early on I would think.

Maybe we could buy an ice cream from ICVM-chan, and have the option to give one to one of the girls for points, and a nice heartwarming moment (unless you give them the cum one, then maybe a sexy moment, lol).

 

[Runey]

Well there is several where you want to talk to someone but when you click on the "talk" option you get 'you need to improve x's relationship' with no clue how to do that. Also you can't have actual conversions (raise relationship or similar) when the characters are in the Utility room which comes off as a little weird.

Friendship is gained through story events.

Story events are usually played through * Talk * options on someones door.

Downtime for characters is intentional, it nudges the player towards doing other content instead of grinding one thing.

Regarding the android what I meant is that she physically locks herself in her room and when you try to enter you can't but after this and before she comes out she show up to help with the primitive robot and no one even comments on it. As the manager of the hotel you should have a master key (get into a room if someone is in trouble)

Primitive Robot?

MC has a master key, he's used it before.

 

[TheDevian]

Oh, in the more current updates, since Vanessa and the others are visiting the hotspring in the afternoon slot, maybe we could randomly catch one of them in the shower in the afternoon or evening too?

 

[Deleted member 4298851]

Oh, in the more current updates, since Vanessa and the others are visiting the hotspring in the afternoon slot, maybe we could randomly catch one of them in the shower in the afternoon or evening too?

Or both, when it comes to the sisters

PS: Took a few days away from the boards to play some new games, so now I'm back

 

[Segnbora]

One thing I would consider, is to have more things to do in some locations, like more interactions in the hotspring, including letting him relax. Let him take a shower, let Ellen and other side people take showers in other time slots, if no one is using it, he can. Ellen could unlock some things early on to give him something to do. Hell, these could be combined...
heartwarming moment (unless you give them the cum one, then maybe a sexy moment, lol).

Actually, this is another perpetual failure of sandbox games, and one HH doesn't avoid: unused locations. The laundry room probably shouldn't even exist, given how rarely it's relevant. But the shower, the hot springs, the garden, the bar, even Ellen's room: all ripe for content, all so terribly underutilized. The idea that about 90% of the time I check on the hot springs there's nothing happening is baffling. I don't necessarily mean from a game standpoint, I mean from a "what if this was real?" standpoint. People would be in the hot springs or the garden all the time. People shower at all hours of the day. Bars aren't just nighttime venues. Put someone there and give them dialogue. Later, when the stats are sufficient, give them events. It'll take a while, but it would make the in-game world so much richer.

 

[freedom.call]

I am in the camp of preferring sandbox style games, but I can admit there are some really badly done ones out there.

Off topic I suppose but I wish I could play more sandbox style games. Believe me, I've tried many. Without a good hint system I last about 4 minutes before my eyes glaze over and I slip into a level 3 coma.

Especially the mapped ones, why can't they all be in a hotel for fucks sake?!

 

[Deleted member 4298851]

Off topic I suppose but I wish I could play more sandbox style games. Believe me, I've tried many. Without a good hint system I last about 4 minutes before my eyes glaze over and I slip into a level 3 coma.

Especially the mapped ones, why can't they all be in a hotel for fucks sake?!

I know LiL gave me nightmares for a night or two; worse than watching Takashi Shimizu's movies. I still haven't been able to get through a full sitting of Ju-On, LiL makes me almost if not more scared than that, but you're right though on sandbox games, without a good hint system, might as well be talking to a door knob.

That's why I fell in love with this game so easily, very easy to navigate and you're told what you're missing on a girl's route before you can proceed.

 

[TheDevian]

Actually, this is another perpetual failure of sandbox games, and one HH doesn't avoid: unused locations. The laundry room probably shouldn't even exist, given how rarely it's relevant. But the shower, the hot springs, the garden, the bar, even Ellen's room: all ripe for content, all so terribly underutilized. The idea that about 90% of the time I check on the hot springs there's nothing happening is baffling. I don't necessarily mean from a game standpoint, I mean from a "what if this was real?" standpoint. People would be in the hot springs or the garden all the time. People shower at all hours of the day. Bars aren't just nighttime venues. Put someone there and give them dialogue. Later, when the stats are sufficient, give them events. It'll take a while, but it would make the in-game world so much richer.

I agree with most of that, but I would rather see more uses for the laundry room, like maybe helping the maids, and later sex in there. xD

Some of those are starting to get content, like Ellen's room, and the hot spring is starting to as well, including the dates, but like even now, we have girls hanging out there, but you can't do more than say 'hi'. It would be nice to have more. Especially once you start unlocking sex events with those girls, like Ann would always be DTF or whatever, Luci and Hana are kinky enough (though Luci should not be skipping work, lol), eventually the others...

Maybe find Lin cleaning in there, and sneak up behind her, or call her in there and ask her to take a break with you, and so on...

 

[Deleted member 4298851]

I agree with most of that, but I would rather see more uses for the laundry room, like maybe helping the maids, and later sex in there. xD

Some of those are starting to get content, like Ellen's room, and the hot spring is starting to as well, including the dates, but like even now, we have girls hanging out there, but you can't do more than say 'hi'. It would be nice to have more. Especially once you start unlocking sex events with those girls, like Ann would always be DTF or whatever, Luci and Hana are kinky enough (though Luci should not be skipping work, lol), eventually the others...

Maybe find Lin cleaning in there, and sneak up behind her, or call her in there and ask her to take a break with you, and so on...

I wouldn't mind doing laundry for the maids in some mini-game, or even helping Moon on Sports night bringing drinks to people, and perhaps incorporate some system that the more you help, maybe it gives you a chance for an extra sex scene or something at the end of it

Maybe bring one of the girl's food that Lin/Droid/Sylvia make for them and bring it to their room..?

Just ideas, but the manager could be doing more around the hotel on days where there are no events rather than doing a repeatable sex scene or manually advancing time just to get through it quicker.

 

[freedom.call]

I know LiL gave me nightmares for a night or two; worse than watching Takashi Shimizu's movies. I still haven't been able to get through a full sitting of Ju-On

I don't know who that is, or the movies...guessing you're not recommending.

might as well be talking to a door knob.

Tried that, level 4 coma ensued.

why I fell in love with this game so easily, very easy to navigate and you're told what you're missing on a girl's route before you can proceed.

Yup. Tbh I don't understand the point of making a difficult adult game. Losing many potential patrons.

 

[c3p0]

Yup. Tbh I don't understand the point of making a difficult adult game. Losing many potential patrons.

Don't know either. Only think that some devs seen to have 100 one answer question, overdetailed process (like morning routine) and idiotic fetch quest that goes over more than a dozen maps count as content.
Where I seen the ideology in "Does it adds something to the story? Add it. If no, then don't".

 

[TheDevian]

I wouldn't mind doing laundry for the maids in some mini-game, or even helping Moon on Sports night bringing drinks to people, and perhaps incorporate some system that the more you help, maybe it gives you a chance for an extra sex scene or something at the end of it

Maybe bring one of the girl's food that Lin/Droid/Sylvia make for them and bring it to their room..?

Just ideas, but the manager could be doing more around the hotel on days where there are no events rather than doing a repeatable sex scene or manually advancing time just to get through it quicker.

Don't think I would want a minigame, but yeah.

Wait, no, not sports night, anything but sports night!!!!!

Food delivery is a good one, could give affection/obedience points to both the girl getting the food and the maid.

I like the idea of letting him help around the place for a little extra money, would be helpful to the early days, and that is when you don't have a lot of other options anyway, and when the funds are the most limited.

Don't know either. Only think that some devs seen to have 100 one answer question, overdetailed process (like morning routine) and idiotic fetch quest that goes over more than a dozen maps count as content.
Where I seen the ideology in "Does it adds something to the story? Add it. If no, then don't".

I might also add "is it fun?".

 

[Deleted member 4298851]

I don't know who that is, or the movies...guessing you're not recommending.

Tried that, level 4 coma ensued.

Yup. Tbh I don't understand the point of making a difficult adult game. Losing many potential patrons.

Takashi Shimizu is a legend among fans of Japanese horror movies (Ju-on/The Grudge), Marebito, After Dark: Reincarnation, etc.

I am recommending, if you want the shit scared out of you.

 

[Deleted member 4298851]

Don't think I would want a minigame, but yeah.

Wait, no, not sports night, anything but sports night!!!!!

Food delivery is a good one, could give affection/obedience points to both the girl getting the food and the maid.

I like the idea of letting him help around the place for a little extra money, would be helpful to the early days, and that is when you don't have a lot of other options anyway, and when the funds are the most limited.

I might also add "is it fun?".

I think it would be interesting to be allowed in there, see Moon and Maria working their asses off, and maybe helping them out for a reward at the end..

I mean, it's Moon!!! What more needs to be said?

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[c3p0]

I might also add "is it fun?".

That is true, but only if it doesn't break the mood or flow of the game.

 

[TheDevian]

I think it would be interesting to be allowed in there, see Moon and Maria working their asses off, and maybe helping them out for a reward at the end..

I mean, it's Moon!!! What more needs to be said?

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I would love to see more stuff in the 'bar', but I can't get the 'sports' bar upgrades, so that would be forever out of my reach if it is locked behind an upgrade I don't want, even if I could buy it. lol

 

[Segnbora]

Relevant to the above: Moon is hot as hell. There can't possibly be enough Moon in this game.

Some of those are starting to get content, like Ellen's room, and the hot spring is starting to as well, including the dates, but like even now, we have girls hanging out there, but you can't do more than say 'hi'.

I suspect that this is something that might be layered in later, if at all. Writing the sort of content we're both asking for slows down development of the main story. HH has a fairly incredible amount of non-story content (and I don't just mean "content" in the usual F95 usage, e.g. sex), but there's always room for improvement. For instance: once the main NPCs are developed enough, they start masturbating in the utility room lobby. Why there? I presume because we're less likely to miss them. But surely the hot springs or the garden would be better locales for random non-story sex events. Granted, the garden's a fairly recent addition, but the hot springs have been around since the beginning, or at least since the first time I played.

The bar could be a great source of randomly triggered events whenever the MC chooses to drink. Right now, aside from a few drinking contests, he can get drunk and that's basically it. But what if there was a mechanism where one drink had a 25% chance of triggering Android's appearance, two drinks a 25% chance of triggering Kali, and so forth? These don't have to be bespoke events — triggering Kali could just lead to her taking you to your room and the same "sleep with Kali" event that already exists — but it would give something we can do (drink at the bar) consequences that it doesn't currently have.

Basically, I'm contending that a perfect sandbox game provides some sort of content (not necessarily story or sex, but something other than a location) during every time period, anywhere the MC is. That's a pretty unreasonable standard, of course, but HH comes close enough to providing just that, that I wonder what it would look like if it went all the way.

 

[MorganMaximara]

Friendship is gained through story events.

Story events are usually played through * Talk * options on someones door.

I know that. Here is an example of what I ran into: I use the * Talk * option on Kali but am told I have to raise my friendship with Lin but when I go to her in the evening there is no * Talk * for Lin but I go to the kitchen the next day to raise obedience some event plays. I click on Kali's door and now selecting * Talk * allows me to progress the story.

Primitive Robot?

The one Kali and her friends are building. Supposedly at this time the android had locked herself in her room and you have to wait until the little dog robot shows up and stick your foot in before the door is closed.

MC has a master key, he's used it before.

But he doesn't use it for the android's room when she locks herself in and get so quite he isn't sure she is even in there.